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andy

Downers Grove, IL

#1 Dec 25, 2011
Bakeries still need to be closed.
Managers still need to be cut.
Varieties still need to be cut.
Combine bread and cake on all routes.
Close all thrift stores.
Give people weekends off thereby eliminating EWC which will save money.
Do we buy our fuel and commodities COD or on contract?

Copy of email I sent to our VP and Driscoll last week.......

I have worked at Wonder Bread in Hodgkins Illinois for 28 years. We are only two years out of bankruptcy yet the company claims it needs more concessions from labor. You were given about $60,000,000 in concessions in 2009. Now you claim you need more. I have a few questions for you.

Why do we continue to make varieties that people do not want?

Why did we stop consolidating where we can and close facilities that can't run 24 hours a day?

Why is it that labor has been cut lately yet we still retain the same amount of managers?

Why do we sell fresh bread in thrift stores at a discounted even though you pay top/premium dollar for it's manufacturing, ingredients and labor and fuel to ship that product? In fact. If you go into a Hostess 'thrift store' you will find a vast majority of items for sale are not even ours. We are not a grocer. And how would you like to have a Hostess thrift store on your route that is in effect competing against you?

Do we but our fuel and ingredients on contract or do we pay COD?

When a meeting is to take place in Irving Texas, why can't Go To Meeting be used instead of paying for airfare, meals and lodging? And why are some middle management positions not replaceable with technology such as Skype? Do we really need to pay someone to fly around their region counting racks and other transporting equipment?

Why are we not combining bread and cake on the same route trucks?

We now have a 14 day code on bread. There is no longer any reason not to give people weekends off thereby saving the company $500+ pr year in earned work credit money.
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Still haven't heard from them.
rsr

Quincy, IL

#2 Dec 25, 2011
you will not hear from them remember the rsrs dont know anything according to mgt. you have some very valid points i dont understand why we are shorted product on a daily basis when we order a week ahead cant the head baker look at the orders & figure how much to bake. this company could be making money just by elliminating product shortages
ILL IBC

Lincoln, IL

#3 Dec 27, 2011
Not all Routes cane be made into a combo route. Many are at their limit now. Routes can not legally work more than 14 hours a day Period and have to have 10 hrs off before returning to work. This is a law that IBC is already in violation of.
As to the missing product, this is a major issue.Corp. Loss Prevention has been involved and still no answers. Shipping is not held acountable for anything.The Transport manager thinks he should run everything, including telling sales when they need their product and when they should pull out.The biggest problem with this company is they have forgotten to put sales first.
JSH

Easley, SC

#4 Dec 29, 2011
Re: Andy
Yes the thrift stores sell products that are not IBC . What's wrong with that as long as we make money .(There have been several years when thrift store profits have been higher than route sales.) We are there mainly for recovery ( stale,it keeps your cost down)! For what you didn't sell at the grocery store .
Most of our customers buy day old , we don't take your customers , if they didn't buy day old ,they would buy store brand !
andy

Downers Grove, IL

#6 Dec 31, 2011
JSH wrote:
Re: Andy
Yes the thrift stores sell products that are not IBC . What's wrong with that as long as we make money .(There have been several years when thrift store profits have been higher than route sales.) We are there mainly for recovery ( stale,it keeps your cost down)! For what you didn't sell at the grocery store .
Most of our customers buy day old , we don't take your customers , if they didn't buy day old ,they would buy store brand !
We are not a grocer. And we sell fresh bread at a discounted price as well as 3 day old bread. That is competing with your own company.
About 80% of the product sold in those stores are not even ours. We buy them drop-ship..........we buy it, we own it. No returns. I do not know where you are from but in the Chicago area we put fresh product in those stores. Not smart.
They are a loser here. They are a loser anywhere that they do as I have described.
Doughboy

Rochester, MN

#7 Jan 4, 2012
The Solution is a hard pill to swallow but here it is.
Fire the Union and kick them out. Your Union brought you this pain it's very simple. Retirement pensions @ 3500. per month with low co pay healthcare crippled this and many other companies like the auto companies. Do the research folks. Your legacy costs are keeping all potential buyers away shaking thier heads at the costs. This is why Bimbo said no to purchasing IBC. As always the misinformed blame management for the failures, how about the millions spent on false injury claims that the unions protected, you all know the guilty employees because their everywhere, did you speak out to these employees or are you infact one of them that abused the system. Unions Protect the Lazy, Dishonest Employees that cost US Companies Billions every year. Truth Hurts.
andy

Downers Grove, IL

#8 Jan 5, 2012
ILL IBC wrote:
Not all Routes cane be made into a combo route. Many are at their limit now. Routes can not legally work more than 14 hours a day Period and have to have 10 hrs off before returning to work. This is a law that IBC is already in violation of.
As to the missing product, this is a major issue.Corp. Loss Prevention has been involved and still no answers. Shipping is not held acountable for anything.The Transport manager thinks he should run everything, including telling sales when they need their product and when they should pull out.The biggest problem with this company is they have forgotten to put sales first.
Make combo where you can.

Our shipping dept is held accountable. Believe me.

We are not in BK because of pilferage.
andy

Downers Grove, IL

#9 Jan 5, 2012
JSH wrote:
Re: Andy
Yes the thrift stores sell products that are not IBC . What's wrong with that as long as we make money .(There have been several years when thrift store profits have been higher than route sales.) We are there mainly for recovery ( stale,it keeps your cost down)! For what you didn't sell at the grocery store .
Most of our customers buy day old , we don't take your customers , if they didn't buy day old ,they would buy store brand !
TS's are for our three day old bread. They are a loser here in Chi. The rest of your post is a rehash we've already discussed. Close the TS's.
andy

Downers Grove, IL

#10 Jan 5, 2012
Doughboy wrote:
The Solution is a hard pill to swallow but here it is.
Fire the Union and kick them out. Your Union brought you this pain it's very simple. Retirement pensions @ 3500. per month with low co pay healthcare crippled this and many other companies like the auto companies. Do the research folks. Your legacy costs are keeping all potential buyers away shaking thier heads at the costs. This is why Bimbo said no to purchasing IBC. As always the misinformed blame management for the failures, how about the millions spent on false injury claims that the unions protected, you all know the guilty employees because their everywhere, did you speak out to these employees or are you infact one of them that abused the system. Unions Protect the Lazy, Dishonest Employees that cost US Companies Billions every year. Truth Hurts.
Sure. Pay everyone minimum wage if you wish. Do the math. You still will not get out from under. And Bimbo bought Sara Lee for the same money that we were asking. And they have a union also. Do your homework.
Doughboy

Rochester, MN

#11 Jan 5, 2012
I have been in the Baking Business for 27 years, in many positions. First 10 years as a Union Member which included being a steward. I have been on both sides of the bargaining table, You and everyone else needs to stop drinking the union kool-aid.
Over the past 8-10 years George Weston (now Bimbo) began a recruiting plan to bring in the top management talent across the country, I'll bet many of you know someone who left IBC, Sara Lee, Lewis etc to work for them.
Ask any Bimbo Baking employee if thier satisified with thier choice and all you'll get is a big smile. My former co-worker was one of them that left for Weston in 2005, drives a nice company car, nice bonus each year - minimum wage - I don't think so.
Drive by a Bimbo Depot sometime,drive thru the parking lot in the morning to see what their Independent Operators are driving for vehicles, you will be amazed and shocked to see all new vehicles including BMW's, Caddy's, SUV's etc. But don't tell the Union Bosses because they do not want you to know this secret. Watch what they do with Sara Lee in the coming months and years. Don't take my word for it, check it out for yourself and then responde back. Do your homework and then kick the Unions to the curb. Also Bimbo has about 30% of routes under union contract.
andy

Downers Grove, IL

#12 Jan 6, 2012
Doughboy wrote:
- minimum wage -
I was referring to labor. Now as I said. Pay labor at Hostess minimum and you still are in trouble. Hostess has other issues.
Joey CC

Oxford, CT

#13 Jan 8, 2012
I still do not understand, from a cost savings standpoint, why the company has not gone to an independent contractor format. Costs for fuel, maintenance, insurance, registrations, etc. would be cut immediately. Conservatively, the sale of the routes would generate $150 - $200 million in proceeds. A driver's union could be created to maintain the Teamster's presence. There are many more benefits to this structure, yet I read and hear nothing about it.
twinkette

Woodbury, NJ

#14 Jan 8, 2012
Why would the drivers want to buy there own route, it would cost them a lot of money to do that. It would be a different story if the company was more stable. That would be a big gamble to go in over your head and buy your own route and take the chance of the company going under anyway.
hockeyman

Monongahela, PA

#15 Jan 9, 2012
Doughboy wrote:
The Solution is a hard pill to swallow but here it is.
Fire the Union and kick them out. Your Union brought you this pain it's very simple. Retirement pensions @ 3500. per month with low co pay healthcare crippled this and many other companies like the auto companies. Do the research folks. Your legacy costs are keeping all potential buyers away shaking thier heads at the costs. This is why Bimbo said no to purchasing IBC. As always the misinformed blame management for the failures, how about the millions spent on false injury claims that the unions protected, you all know the guilty employees because their everywhere, did you speak out to these employees or are you infact one of them that abused the system. Unions Protect the Lazy, Dishonest Employees that cost US Companies Billions every year. Truth Hurts.
i dont think you are correct
twinkette

Woodbury, NJ

#16 Jan 9, 2012
Well everyone Wonder Bread will be filing chapter 22 this week according to the Wall Street Journal, check it out at WSJ.com and another thing I don't think the unions are the main blame here. How much did the last CEO get for being canned, I heard it was somewhere around 36 million. Why do companies of any kind sign contracts like this and how much did they pay him for doing good. I'm sorry blame the unions, no blame the idiot's who hire bad CEO's and then pay them more then all of there employees together to to get fired.
alan mcgee

Charlottesville, VA

#17 Jan 10, 2012
Doughboy wrote:
The Solution is a hard pill to swallow but here it is.
Fire the Union and kick them out. Your Union brought you this pain it's very simple. Retirement pensions @ 3500. per month with low co pay healthcare crippled this and many other companies like the auto companies. Do the research folks. Your legacy costs are keeping all potential buyers away shaking thier heads at the costs. This is why Bimbo said no to purchasing IBC. As always the misinformed blame management for the failures, how about the millions spent on false injury claims that the unions protected, you all know the guilty employees because their everywhere, did you speak out to these employees or are you infact one of them that abused the system. Unions Protect the Lazy, Dishonest Employees that cost US Companies Billions every year. Truth Hurts.
You dont know anything about union that is how dumb you are. the dumb CEO just makes 15 MILLON a year. Think before you speake
alan mcgee

Charlottesville, VA

#18 Jan 10, 2012
That just showes how dumb you are The CEO just makes 15 MILLON a year Iam making what i was making 34 years ago With the cut we have all ready taken, Think before you speak.
Doughboy

Rochester, MN

#19 Jan 10, 2012
alan mcgee wrote:
That just showes how dumb you are The CEO just makes 15 MILLON a year Iam making what i was making 34 years ago With the cut we have all ready taken, Think before you speak.
So your stating your Union did nothing for you then? How much money did your Teamster Bosses make over that time frame? Management is also to blame for the mess your in but there are problems across all segments of the business. No vision, No Inovation to keep up to the times, No Investment Spending to keep Bakeries updated, the list goes on and on. Pensions and Health Benefits sky rocketed over the past 10 years - Management Employees seen large cost increases over this time period just like any other company. How much more did your Union Healthcare costs go up? Not Much Right so where did the cost differences come from - The Company Profits Dumb***. Don't think your not also to blame for the demise.
IBC employee

Ocean Park, WA

#20 Jan 11, 2012
Doughboy wrote:
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So your stating your Union did nothing for you then? How much money did your Teamster Bosses make over that time frame? Management is also to blame for the mess your in but there are problems across all segments of the business. No vision, No Inovation to keep up to the times, No Investment Spending to keep Bakeries updated, the list goes on and on. Pensions and Health Benefits sky rocketed over the past 10 years - Management Employees seen large cost increases over this time period just like any other company. How much more did your Union Healthcare costs go up? Not Much Right so where did the cost differences come from - The Company Profits Dumb***. Don't think your not also to blame for the demise.
dumbboy aka doughboy
yes, our insurance not only was downgraded but we do pay quite a bit more for it AND we all pay BACK into the company right out of our paychecks every week, I call it the privilege for working at Wonderbread fee, for RSR's it is quite a nice chunk of change that gets taken out weekly. Unions are good and bad both but IBC employees have bent over backwards trying to make this company survive...what did they do with all the money??? So since you don't work for IBC and you don't know all the concessions workers have already given to keep this company going then I suggest you zip it on the greedy union worker bandwagon you have been on
Brokealready

Neenah, WI

#22 Jan 11, 2012
Maybe the best move would be an ESOP. Get rid of all the dead wood on to WITHOUT their "golden parachutes". Then, cut out all the crap that no one buys (let's see, Smart White, Smart Wheat - anyone ever try that nasty bread?), and on the snack side get rid of the "Good for You" foul tasting stuff, too. Hostess products never were intended to be good for you - they are a sweet treat and a lunch box stuffer. Treat them and market them that way!

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