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curious in tennessee

Morristown, TN

#1 May 18, 2011
What can anyone tell me about HMA employee benefits (i.e. vacation time, sick time, insurance, 401 K, etc.)? Our health system is being purchased by HMA and would like to know what to expect. Any info greatly appreciated.
Quit Now

Knoxville, TN

#2 May 22, 2011
curious in tennessee wrote:
What can anyone tell me about HMA employee benefits (i.e. vacation time, sick time, insurance, 401 K, etc.)? Our health system is being purchased by HMA and would like to know what to expect. Any info greatly appreciated.
You're too stupid to remain profitable and it takes an OUTSIDE company to bring some sense to this area.
In The Red

Elizabethtown, KY

#3 Jun 4, 2011
Quit Now wrote:
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You're too stupid to remain profitable and it takes an OUTSIDE company to bring some sense to this area.
There are hundreds, if not thousands of companies currently operating in the Red. Both for profit and non-profit.
Why, does that make a person STUPID for inquiring about the Employee Benefits of the potential buyer??

Are you assuming that the person that ask the question is the current CEO??? That that person is responsible for $350m debt?

What a jerk you are. What a complete jerk.
In The Red

Elizabethtown, KY

#4 Jun 4, 2011
curious in tennessee wrote:
What can anyone tell me about HMA employee benefits (i.e. vacation time, sick time, insurance, 401 K, etc.)? Our health system is being purchased by HMA and would like to know what to expect. Any info greatly appreciated.
I can't answer your question. However as an Executive in Business Management ans Aquisitions, I can tell you this:

Your future new owner is not purchasing your health system for it's "financial stability" as your health system is approx.$350m in debt.

Your future new owner will make the purchase based on profitable growth potential alone. In doing so, one key element in the business plan would be employee retention (not necessarily at high management levels).

Engaging in employee retention would require that you take care of the employees that are already trained and job proficient. They can't afford to strip you of your benefits, cause you to seek employment elsewhere and have to abort the business plan to start cold call recruiting and training from ground zero.

I said all of that to say: You could reasonably expect to either retain your current benefits package, or possibly even secure a slightly more robust package.

Don't listen to morons like the person that called you stupid. You are simply being proactive, and rightly concerned about how all of this will impact your future.

GOOD LUCK!!!
curious in tennessee

Morristown, TN

#5 Jun 5, 2011
In the Red, Thanks for your nice and informative comments. Much appreciated.
Not A St Marys Employee

Elizabethtown, KY

#6 Jun 16, 2011
My sister works at St. Mary's aka Mercy, the only thing she has heard is that most of upper management will be replaced by the new owner and that the gift shops will be managed and staffed by outside sources through a nationwide contract that has been in existence for some time. She thinks the same may apply to the cafeteria staffing. But, who knows.... These things are hard to predict.
But, I am sure the professional medical staff will remain in tact. I mean, that would be the logical thing to do.
The gift shops, cafeteria, and coffee shops can be ran by the existing HMA contracts (or by volunterrs for that matter).
I hope my sister will retain her position. And I hope that all that are in critical positions will also be safe. Let's all keep our fingers crossed!!!
HMA COMMENT

Jamestown, TN

#7 Jun 27, 2011
HMA is not a very nice company to work for and does not care about patient care. THEY WILL IMMEDIATELY CUT BACK ALL EMPLOYEES THAT HAVE BEEN THERE A LONG TIME - PROFESSIONAL OR NOT. They do not care about people - only $$$$$$$$. Will hire new cheaper people immediately. I try to avoid their facilities.
Not A St Marys Employee

Nashville, TN

#8 Jun 27, 2011
Wow, sounds like you have good knowledge of how they do things. I hope you have not had to personally experience any of that. Do you know of people that have?
Also, I am not sure where Alpine is. Are there HMA facilities there?
not to happy

Madison, TN

#9 Aug 8, 2011
the powell hospital is already under staffed and they dont seem to care / is the purchase gonna change anything? If the upper management goes that will be a blessing as well as floor management also they dont seem to care about anybody anyway.
Curious

Saint Petersburg, FL

#10 Sep 13, 2011
We (HMA employees) have been told that corporate policy requires that we are on a "vacation reduction plan" which necessitates not only reducing worked hours but taking vacation pay so that there is no vacation accrual until the plan is lifted. This seems contrary to the employee handbook which allows accruals up to what is earned in 18 months. It also seriously affects available hours for future planned vacations.(1) Is it legal to "force" unrequested vacation pay?(2) Other than improving the appearance of the bottom line, what is the advantage to HMA?
tellinthetruth

Cocoa Beach, FL

#11 Nov 26, 2011
HMA COMMENT wrote:
HMA is not a very nice company to work for and does not care about patient care. THEY WILL IMMEDIATELY CUT BACK ALL EMPLOYEES THAT HAVE BEEN THERE A LONG TIME - PROFESSIONAL OR NOT. They do not care about people - only $$$$$$$$. Will hire new cheaper people immediately. I try to avoid their facilities.
HMA is the worst company to be employed with. If you dont have insurance and go there, well lets just say, not good. Pick a not for profit company to be employed with, larger health care organizations tend to run better.
Dissapointed In Florida

Englewood, FL

#12 Aug 30, 2012
To curious in tennessee - did HMA buy your hospital. They bought mine years ago and have chipped away at any benefits piece by piece over that time. Recently they started not paying sick time if you did not have over 100 hours of accrued sick time "in the bank". Since it is accrued at about 3 hrs per pay period, it takes well over a year's employment to attain that. Now we hear that if you're out sick, you must use vacation time (they do not have a "PDO" system) for the first 2 days before starting to use your earned sick hours. I would be happy to illustrate other losses to employee's benefits if you need to compare notes. I am told that all HMA hospitals will use the same policies in these areas.
Big red

Southwest Brevard Cnty, FL

#13 Sep 24, 2012
HMA COMMENT wrote:
HMA is not a very nice company to work for and does not care about patient care. THEY WILL IMMEDIATELY CUT BACK ALL EMPLOYEES THAT HAVE BEEN THERE A LONG TIME - PROFESSIONAL OR NOT. They do not care about people - only $$$$$$$$. Will hire new cheaper people immediately. I try to avoid their facilities.
You are so right. I worked for the hospital that I am employed at for about 6 years. They JUST told us that our entire department is being laid off without any severance pay. We are not allowed to cash out our sick ttime or out personal day. We can cash in our vacation time. Their goal is not patient care. Their goal is to put every patient in collections!
Big red

Southwest Brevard Cnty, FL

#14 Sep 24, 2012
Our healtisurance was extremel expensive. Everyone nows that the large the company isthat you work for, the cheaper e insurance can be. They claimsed at they were paying 90% our insurance. Really? Tey pomisd no o wld be leto n we weretold that they pomote fro within. Well, instead of postingpostions that people in my departmet may be qualified for, why nt ust transfer them When they first started the layoffs in 2010, they handed out severance packages. I guess they found out they do not have to do that by law. I guess human decency is NOT one of their mottos or their vision statement!
Leaveless

Cleveland, MS

#15 Dec 3, 2012
Yes, HMA hospitals state they have great benefits and that you would get two weeks of vacation. But what they fail to state is that they will pick away at your vacation one day at a time. They force you to take off at the end of every quarter and around holidays one day a week for the entire month. You never get to save enough leave to have a week vacation. It really brings morale down. Even Department Managers are having their leave picked off. The only people that are not affected are the Administrative to four and Nurse Managers. Oh and did I mention the fact that most managers may have to be called in on a weekend to work because somne else didn't show up and regardless, you are forced to take leave. You would think with the recent bad press they have been getting there would be so sense of urgency to at least keep staff somewhat happy.
Unhappy HMA employee

Cape Coral, FL

#16 Jan 3, 2013
There is no incentive for working a holiday at an hma facility, unless you are a mon-fri 9-530 worker! In a hospital very few people have that kind of schedule, most people only work 3 or 4 days a week. I worked a holiday that fell on my regular day to work, since its a holiday they only want you to work 8 hrs which shorted me 3 hrs, they don't pay time and a half they just give you another personal day off that must be taken 30 days after the holiday you work and that's only 8 hrs pay too so again I'm shorted 3 hrs. So my reward for working and taking care of patients on a holiday instead of spending time with my family was being shorted 6 hrs pay. It works out a little better if you work a holiday on a day you usually don't work, but if you're sent home early before the holiday or after it might just break even. I am only scheduled 32 hrs (the minimum to be considered full time) I am being told to go home early almost every day, either without pay (which they prefer) or use vacation time.
Deborah

Carlisle, PA

#17 May 4, 2013
HMA is committed to providing the cheapest healthcare possible, and therefore maximizing profits. This strategy has had several unpleasant consequences. The community we serve has lost trust, the media watches and reports negatively, the census is down, and that requires layoffs. Benefits like continuing ed and professional development is poor.
booboo

United States

#18 Jun 3, 2013
curious in tennessee wrote:
What can anyone tell me about HMA employee benefits (i.e. vacation time, sick time, insurance, 401 K, etc.)? Our health system is being purchased by HMA and would like to know what to expect. Any info greatly appreciated.
BEWARE OF HMA!!! THEY ARE ONLY INTERESTED IN PROFIT! Just yesterday they stopped the accrual of vacation time for 4 months...that cost me 48 hours of vacation time...which amounts to nearly $5000 dollars they are STEALING from me and other long time dedicated employees. THEY ARE AN AWFUL EMPLOYER CONCERNED ABOUT NOTHING OTHER THAN MONEY!!!!! The CEO just "retired"at the grand age of 55...he is headed to south America for supposed missionary work....and since HMA is under investigation for Medicare fraud,my guess is its a good place to hide the millions he gained from HMA 's illegal billing. RUN!!!DO NOT JOIN THE HMA "FAMILY"
North Fla HMA employee

Branford, FL

#19 Jun 4, 2013
booboo wrote:
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BEWARE OF HMA!!! THEY ARE ONLY INTERESTED IN PROFIT! Just yesterday they stopped the accrual of vacation time for 4 months...that cost me 48 hours of vacation time...which amounts to nearly $5000 dollars they are STEALING from me and other long time dedicated employees. THEY ARE AN AWFUL EMPLOYER CONCERNED ABOUT NOTHING OTHER THAN MONEY!!!!! The CEO just "retired"at the grand age of 55...he is headed to south America for supposed missionary work....and since HMA is under investigation for Medicare fraud,my guess is its a good place to hide the millions he gained from HMA 's illegal billing. RUN!!!DO NOT JOIN THE HMA "FAMILY"
HMA just cut out PTO aacrual for four months here also,no added/matched money to 401k, and low census leads to employee turnover. HMA will be merged..........has to improve for patients and employees.
HMA sucks

Rome, GA

#20 Jun 20, 2013
Everything bad you read is true! But they forgot a few things. They will outsource every department they can ( kitchen, employee health, housekeeping, even medical records) They will also get rid of anyone who has a" do the right thing attitude".They also run with a staff so minimal, that it borders being dangerous.

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