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[Grand Rapids]

BadGirl wrote:

Lazy union workers only working 30 min. a day and crying for more money....HaHaHaHA thats a joke fool....Most of us have to run 5 to 12 machines and bust our asses. I happen to have 11 machines to offset change tools, fix when broken...i get ass busting work day in day out...and then crappy benifits and measly 14 an hour for my work...as a single mom of three I'm not complaining..it puts food on the table... And as for the person who said..."I'll buy a Toyota"...They are hurting too...its the gas prices thats hurting ALL auto companies. And for you young generation, if you dont think its not going to hurt when GM goes down (or if) any of the big 3 ....Its going too!!!!

A measly 14 an hour...many people would die to have your MEASLEY 14 an hour. People who are losing jobs can't support a family on minimum wage. If you are soo unhappy with your MEASLEY 14 an hour give it to someone who would appreciate it.

[Grand Rapids]

you dont think its not going to hurt when GM goes down (or if) any of the big 3 ....Its going too!!!!

Maybe instead of putting out hummers and SUV's that get next to nothing a gallon they should have tried to put out a good and affordable hybrid or alternative car. Maybe that's why Toyota is now number one. They have watched the demographics for years and have come up with an affordable solution. If the big three go out they only hve themselves to blame.

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BadGirl wrote:

Lazy union workers only working 30 min. a day and crying for more money....HaHaHaHA thats a joke fool....Most of us have to run 5 to 12 machines and bust our asses. I happen to have 11 machines to offset change tools, fix when broken...i get ass busting work day in day out...and then crappy benifits and measly 14 an hour for my work...as a single mom of three I'm not complaining..it puts food on the table... And as for the person who said..."I'll buy a Toyota"...They are hurting too...its the gas prices thats hurting ALL auto companies. And for you young generation, if you dont think its not going to hurt when GM goes down (or if) any of the big 3 ....Its going too!!!!

It will hurt. Look at the impact it had when they went on srike a couple years ago. It has a huge ripple effect. It is not the price of gas that hurting them though, they were in trouble long before gas prices got out of control.

[liz]

people should be grateful to have jobs, whether they are union or not. i am grateful and i don't have to eat crap sandwiches every day like some of you may but I put myself through 4 years of college, no scholarship and no financial aid, to get where I am. And even though I am union, I work 8 hours a day, not 30 minutes. What a stupid thing to say about union members not working. Maybe some of them are that way, but not the majority.

[BadGirl]

Wow...did i say i was unhappy ????? NO i didnt say that... I'm referring to whoever called us union workers "Lazy crybabies" I'm proud of what i do for a living! And its not the workers faults that things are going poorly...its everything economy wise...no one can afford gas...no one can afford homes....everyones jobs are leaving...its EVERWHERE!! I used to work for Bosch- they closed down and went south...theres Lears...they left....Gm plants closing up... Delphi closing up...Toyoto...shutting down for 2-3 months.....Crysler is hurting....--Sure if you or whoever said it...dont like the unions..thats fine but, dont bash those of us who still work for them!!!!!

[BadGirl]

And Grand Rapids: Do you think the companies could really forsee that thier Suv's and Hummers would have to chug 4.15 a gallon for gas???? Didnt really see that coming...You can thank the war for that (another subject) so, what they should stop making them now??

[Oshawa_Guy]

As a salary employee, I agree there are too many salary employees still at GM.
Just look through the corporate head office org charts to see the "old boys" club where people have titles that don't make sense, but clearly indicate they get a huge salary. Unfortunately all the "old boys" making 6 digit salaries will be staying and the 5 digit salary people that help make the plants tick will take the fall.

[Sez Me]

Jack wrote:

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Don't blame the union. The company runs the show. Blame on CEO's like Roger Smith who almost ran GM on the ground years ago. If only Rick Wagoner was CEO back then, GM would be in good shape today.

I worked for Delco Electronics division of General Motors when the Japaneze just started to threatened the US auto industry. The were attempting to make a major dent in the radios used in cars. At that time, the UAW ran Delco Electronics and did a rather poor job of it. The union people got about 5 weeks of vacation and hit days to start along with a generous holiday plan. In an attempt to create more jobs for more union members by increasing time off, the UAW help eliminate most of the US auto industry jobs.

[John M]

Just A Guy wrote:

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WRONG!! The unions are looooonnnnnggg overdue to be 'killed' off. The government has plenty of regulations to keep employees safe and taken care of. Had the UAW realized about 5 years ago that they were running GM, Ford & Chrysler into the tanks and offered up some major concessions the majority of their employees would still have jobs and the companies might be profitable and still operating strong in the US. Also, I'd be more then happy to buy anything/everything I could get from American companies at a higher price...so don't reply to me that I'm un-American.

By no means to me responding to this am I suggesting that I support Unions because I do not. But in no way was the Unions the reason the Big 3 have become what they have become. They have made horrible market choices, not changing fast enough as foreign competitors to keep up with a changing America, they have outsourced there business to include financing and other crap they had no business getting into, and they made a lower quality product to increase profits to make the fattest cats of their business even fatter and these were not union employess. The big 3 have only themselves to blame for why they are where they are. Did you ever notice that when the companies started cutting costs the cuts never have and never will effect the top henchmen of these companies? Not even a little. They're bonuses and they're pensions are always very secure, so stop bashing the worker they were just trying to get a small part of that big 3 profit that was soo huge for soo many years.

[John M]

BadGirl wrote:

And Grand Rapids: Do you think the companies could really forsee that thier Suv's and Hummers would have to chug 4.15 a gallon for gas???? Didnt really see that coming...You can thank the war for that (another subject) so, what they should stop making them now??

Why yes Bad Girl we should have seen it coming, it is not like it has never happened before, but maybe before you were born. Back in the late seventies they told us there were oil shortages, we did virtually nothing. The foreign companies did, they made cars that got excellent mileage and were very dependable, so what did the Big 3 decide to do, crank out half-ass cars and trucks as fast as they could and hoping that American's would buy them to support the American economy. Some did but some didn't. We knew this was coming, did we have an exact date? No but no one ever does, but we knew it was coming.

[BadGirl]

I was born in 70'..and you know by the time i graduated from high school, gas was only .89 cents a gallon. Ya, maybe we did think "in the future gas will be higher"..but i think these massive increases are from Wars in Iraq and all the other stuff going on in the middle east...Anyways, my whole point is that some of us still work for one of the big three..and we tend to get bashed for the downfalls of all this...Were just squirrels trying to get our nuts too!!!!