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New Immigration Reform Proposal Being Prepared

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The Congressional Hispanic Caucus says it is prepared to introduce a new immigration reform bill later this year which will confront Congress with the tricky issue of legal residency for 12 million undocumented ...

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Since: Oct 07

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#1 Mar 2, 2008
New Immigration Reform Proposal Being Prepared

Would make illegal immigrants legal residents, supporters say it is 'not amnesty'
By Jim Forsyth
Friday, February 29, 2008
The Congressional Hispanic Caucus says it is prepared to introduce a new immigration reform bill later this year which will confront Congress with the tricky issue of legal residency for 12 million undocumented workers in the middle of an election season, 1200 WOAI news reports.

U.S. Representative Joe Baca (D-California), the First Vice President of the CHC, revealed the measure today as he attended a meeting of the Congressional Hispanic Caucus Institute in San Antonio.

'We will be coming out specifically with the legislature later on," Baca said. "It will not be comprehensive in nature, but it would include the 12 t0 14 million people who are here in the United States, it will address those individuals working in agriculture, and it will address the DREAM Act," Baca said.

"It will involve visas, but it won't be a path towards amnesty, it will not be amnesty, it will not be an opportunity, but they will have to be required to be in the United States, have been working, prove they've been working in the United States."

Baca declined to reveal any more information, saying he 'wasn’t ready' to provide the details of the bill and 'didn't want to be pushed' by reporters.

The DREAM Act, is a very controversial measure which was defeated in the U.S. Senate last summer, which would provide educational benefits to the children of illegal immigrants. U.S. Representative Charles Gonzalez (D-Texas), a member of the Caucus, says that will be a key part of any measure that is floated.

"We do have children of the undocumented workers, do we not educate them?" Gonzalez asked. "They're not going anywhere, I'll tell you that right now."



The Caucus members declined to say when the new immigration reform measure might be introduced.

Since: Jan 08

Oxford, AL

#2 Mar 2, 2008
Enforce the laws we have now. If you are here illegally you should be deported and if you want to come back stand at the end of the line behind people who are not breaking the law.

Since: Apr 07

Columbus, OH

#3 Mar 3, 2008
We do have children of the undocumented workers, do we not educate them?" Gonzalez asked. "They're not going anywhere, I'll tell you that right now."

Yeah,that's what citizens like to hear.

Keep saying invaders are not going anywhere.

U.S. Representative Joe Baca (D-California), the First Vice President of the CHC, revealed the measure today as he attended a meeting of the Congressional Hispanic Caucus Institute in San Antonio.

Baca needs to go back to his country,the USA is apparently not his country,since he only promotes hispanics. This pig is one of the voices on the Aztlan site.

“A Nation of Legal Immigrants”

Since: Nov 07

Lake City Florida,/ Nebraska

#4 Mar 3, 2008
Is this a racist comment or not?

Quote:
"We do have children of the undocumented workers, do we not educate them?" Gonzalez asked. "They're not going anywhere, I'll tell you that right now."

You're a typical American Hispanic that supports Spanish speaking illegal aliens and that makes you a racist,because if they were black,white of yellow,we wouldn't be talking! You don't give American citizenship to some one that committed an illegal act to get here,it's worth more than that!

Quote:

"1993-2003, a veritable wave of Hispanic students rolled into public
schools, representing 64% of all new student enrollments. Their share of
total enrollment in primary and secondary schools grew from 12.7% in 1993 to
19.2% in 2004. By 2004, Hispanic students had surpassed the number of black
students. If there are no shifts in birth/death rates or in immigration
policies, this wave will become a tsunami.

"Among children, the share who are immigrants or who have an immigrant
parent will rise to 34% in 2050 from 23% in 2005. The share of children who
are Hispanic, 20% in 2005, will rise to 35% in 2050."

Question: Academically, how are Hispanic students doing?

Answer: Just fair - not great. The "Nations Report Card," compiled by the
U.S. Department of Education, finds Hispanics doing slightly better than
black students, and more than slightly worse that whites. From 2000-2005,
8th and 12th grade Hispanic students showed no improvement in science, and
only slight increases in math and reading scores. For the last decade,
they've remain positioned between white and black students in academic
achievement.

The Dropout Rate for Hispanic Students

Question: Are they finishing high school?

Answer. Most are - many are not. Hispanic students lead black and white
students in dropout rates. In 2005, 3 of every 4 Hispanic dropouts were
foreign born. The increase in Hispanic students, coupled with their dropout
rate, contributed significantly to a decline in the high school completion
rate from 77.1% in 1969 to 69.9% in 2000. This reversed an upward trend
that dated back to 1870, begun shortly after the Civil War."

From The American Thinker By Lee Carey

“A Nation of Legal Immigrants”

Since: Nov 07

Lake City Florida,/ Nebraska

#5 Mar 3, 2008
Quote:
"We do have children of the undocumented workers, do we not educate them?" Gonzalez asked. "They're not going anywhere, I'll tell you that right now."

Here's part of the cost!

Quote:
New Report Finds that Limited English Proficient
> Student
> Enrollment is Surging Nationwide
> 4.5 Million LEP Students May Cost Taxpayers in
> Excess of $4 Billion a Year
>
> Washington DC - A new study by the Federation for
> American Immigration Reform (FAIR), Limited English
> Proficiency Enrollment and Rapidly Rising Costs,
> finds that between 1995 and 2005, the number of
> children in our nation's public schools listed as
> Limited English Proficient (LEP) increased by some
> 1.2 million. In 2005, approximately 4.5 million K-12
> children in public schools around the country
> required special educational programs to help them
> master basic English, a 38 percent increase over a
> decade earlier. The total bill to the taxpayers for
> LEP programs likely exceeds $4 billion annually,
> finds the report.
>
> Continued large-scale immigration, particularly
> illegal immigration, is the primary factor in the
> increase in the LEP student population. FAIR
> estimates that some 3.5 million children of illegal
> aliens now attend K-12 schools around the country.
> Most of the costs for educating LEP students fall on
> state and local governments that are already
> straining to provide educational resources to their
> populations. Between 1995 and 2005, 11 states saw
> their LEP student enrollment double, while eight
> more saw enrollment triple.
>
> "Education is by far the largest cost associated
> with mass immigration generally, and illegal
> immigration in particular," commented Dan Stein,
> president of FAIR. "These mounting costs for basic
> education and special LEP programs come at a time
> when polls show that the public is increasingly
> concerned about the overall quality of public
> education in our country. While every politician in
> America promises to improve public education,
> government immigration policies continue to compound
> the challenges faced by our schools."
>
> The surge in LEP enrollment became a nationwide
> phenomenon between 1995 and 2005, as virtually all
> regions of the country experienced a rapid growth in
> immigrant population. However, six states still
> accounted for 69 percent of the LEP student
> population in 2005, with California leading the way.
> More than a quarter of California students were not
> fluent in English in 2005."
Fed up Vet

Washington, DC

#6 Mar 3, 2008
Here is a Proposal

Round um up and send them HOME!!
Tickedofffchick

Enfield, CT

#7 Mar 3, 2008
I repeat, how many years are they going to tout the 12 million figure? Other sources are starting to increase the number. Some say it's more like 37 million. When are we going to know the true number?

“Reduce immigration levels”

Since: Dec 06

Kings Mountain, NC

#8 Mar 3, 2008
She Be Me

AOL

#9 Mar 3, 2008
Of course the "HISPANIC CUACUS" is pushing another bill targeted to help the ILLEGAL HISPANICS. They so desperately wanted the "Dream Act" amnesty bill to pass but the American people stopped it. We don't want the 5 year Visa plan either which IS an AMNESY plan too.

Just what part of ILLEGAL does the "HISPANIC CAUCUS" not get? Do they think HISPANICS are above the law? Do they think HISPANICS deserve special privileges?
Ralphie

Orlando, FL

#10 Mar 3, 2008
Preferential treatment should not be given to any ethnic group. If we were favoring white Europeans this way, the protests would be deafening. This is an invasion and shows a complete lack of respect for the United States. I sympathize with people who live in poor countries. But, there are too many for us to take care of. We have to look after our own first. After years of turmoil, black people are finally starting to realize their part of the American Dream. Now, non-English speaking students are soaking up classroom resources. This is wrong. This invasion has to stop. Our laws must be respected and enforced.

“A Nation of Legal Immigrants”

Since: Nov 07

Lake City Florida,/ Nebraska

#12 Mar 3, 2008
She Be Me wrote:
Of course the "HISPANIC CUACUS" is pushing another bill targeted to help the ILLEGAL HISPANICS. They so desperately wanted the "Dream Act" amnesty bill to pass but the American people stopped it. We don't want the 5 year Visa plan either which IS an AMNESY plan too.
Just what part of ILLEGAL does the "HISPANIC CAUCUS" not get? Do they think HISPANICS are above the law? Do they think HISPANICS deserve special privileges?
It won't mean a thing if they vote and we don't!(They being the Spanish speaking Americans that support the illegal aliens which includes 99% of them! When was the last time your read a post from a Hispanic American that condemn illegal aliens?

“Reduce immigration levels”

Since: Dec 06

Kings Mountain, NC

#13 Mar 3, 2008
The authors of the book http://www.manhattan-institute.org/immigratio... were on C-Span and it was extremely interesting. Some of the points were:
Mexico is a very wealthy country
No other group in history has been able to have an organization like LaRaza meaning “The race.” They believe that illegal’s should be entitled to welfare and should not have to worry about deportation.
No other group has ever felt they deserved “entitlements” for being in this country.
We need to shut our borders. Walls work!
We need to change our mentality. No you do not need that illegal gardener.
English ONLY!!

Some history that I found very interesting.
When Ted Kennedy made immigration worse in the 60’s, the thought then was to pattern it after “the civil right movement.” This is why they have some protection.
When the first wave of immigrants came to this country years ago 50% did not stay (65% of Italians). The reason NO WELFARE.
When people say “We are a nation of immigrants” here are the facts:
Immigrants who came years ago were either as skilled or more skilled than US citizens. They were well suited to the economy. Today 60-70% have no HS education. Where we have advanced over the last 100 years they are still living in the 18th century.
No other group has lowered the wages of the US citizen.
40% of unemployment is due to illegal aliens.
They do not assimilate as they are arriving in continuous masses.
Costs to economy is staggering

What needs to be done?
Follow Australia’s laws.
No immigrant enters the country unless their is a need for their services
No chain migration
You go by “what works for the economy.” No sympathy based immigration laws.
Rapid assimilation to seek equal wages for all.(In the US Mexicans make 20-40% less).

Something else that was very interesting was that the farmers were big on “mechanization” for picking their crops until they realized that illegal labor was cheaper. In the 60’s they gave up even looking at mechanization. They want young workers but as they age they have no use for them so they then become a burden on the US taxpayer.
A “moratorium” should be called on all immigration until we figure out the number we really need in this country.

Lastly when the authors were asked “What should be done with the ones who have been here for years?
Answer: NOTHING!! No citizenship, welfare, etc. Since they are illegal they have no stake in this country as legal immigrants do. They knew the risks then they came here. We are a country of laws and should not discriminate. They also said “They should take their children back with them so THEY do not split up the family.
Hope you found this interesting

Have you sent a letter today?
http://www.congress.org/congressorg/bio/userl...
http://www.congress.org/congressorg/bio/userl...

It only takes a minute. You can copy and paste someones else's letter if you choose. Just get one out.

“Reduce immigration levels”

Since: Dec 06

Kings Mountain, NC

#14 Mar 3, 2008
john

Overland Park, KS

#15 Mar 3, 2008
Fed up Vet wrote:
Here is a Proposal
Round um up and send them HOME!!
I like your thinking. Ike was the only president that sent them home.
ChicagoAmerican

Indianapolis, IN

#16 Mar 3, 2008
""but they will have to be required to be in the United States, have been working, prove they've been working in the United States.""

...and not killed, raped, muled drugs, robbed or molested anyone in the last 3 months under their current identity. What a load of hispanic B-S!!

Come on Americans!! They really DO think you are THAT stu-pi-d! Only our liberals are dumb enough to call this trash fair to Americans (are there any left????)?

“A Nation of Legal Immigrants”

Since: Nov 07

Lake City Florida,/ Nebraska

#17 Mar 3, 2008
john wrote:
<quoted text> I like your thinking. Ike was the only president that sent them home.
Quote:
Then on June 17, 1954, what was called "Operation Wetback" began. Because political resistance was lower in California and Arizona, the roundup of aliens began there. Some 750 agents swept northward through agricultural areas with a goal of 1,000 apprehensions a day. By the end of July, over 50,000 aliens were caught in the two states. Another 488,000, fearing arrest, had fled the country.

By mid-July, the crackdown extended northward into Utah, Nevada, and Idaho, and eastward to Texas.

By September, 80,000 had been taken into custody in Texas, and an estimated 500,000 to 700,000 illegals had left the Lone Star State voluntarily.

Unlike today, Mexicans caught in the roundup were not simply released at the border, where they could easily reenter the US. To discourage their return, Swing arranged for buses and trains to take many aliens deep within Mexico before being set free.

Tens of thousands more were put aboard two hired ships, the Emancipation and the Mercurio. The ships ferried the aliens from Port Isabel, Texas, to Vera Cruz, Mexico, more than 500 miles south.

The sea voyage was "a rough trip, and they did not like it," says Don Coppock, who worked his way up from Border Patrolman in 1941 to eventually head the Border Patrol from 1960 to 1973.

Mr. Coppock says he "cannot understand why [President] Bush let [today's] problem get away from him as it has. I guess it was his compassionate conservatism, and trying to please [Mexican President] Vincente Fox."

There are now said to be 12 million to 20 million illegal aliens in the US. Of the Mexicans who live here, an estimated 85 percent are here illegally.

Border Patrol vets offer tips on curbing illegal immigration
One day in 1954, Border Patrol agent Walt Edwards picked up a newspaper in Big Spring, Texas, and saw some startling news. The government was launching an all-out drive to oust illegal aliens from the United States.

The orders came straight from the top, where the new president, Dwight Eisenhower, had put a former West Point classmate, Gen. Joseph Swing, in charge of immigration enforcement.

General Swing's fast-moving campaign soon secured America's borders - an accomplishment no other president has since equaled. Illegal migration had dropped 95 percent by the late 1950s.

Several retired Border Patrol agents who took part in the 1950s effort, including Mr. Edwards, say much of what Swing did could be repeated today.

"Some say we cannot send 12 million illegals now in the United States back where they came from. Of course we can!" Edwards says.

Donald Coppock, who headed the Patrol from 1960 to 1973, says that if Swing and Ike were still running immigration enforcement, "they'd be on top of this in a minute."

“Trump ain't playing!”

Since: Dec 07

Welfare State

#18 Mar 3, 2008
ChicagoAmerican wrote:
""but they will have to be required to be in the United States, have been working, prove they've been working in the United States.""
...and not killed, raped, muled drugs, robbed or molested anyone in the last 3 months under their current identity. What a load of hispanic B-S!!
Come on Americans!! They really DO think you are THAT stu-pi-d! Only our liberals are dumb enough to call this trash fair to Americans (are there any left????)?
I agree, it's total BS.
I guess they will present their fake ID'S, along with their fake or stolen SS #'s to prove they've been working here.
Better yet, why don't they just take them at their word, as we all know how decent and honest they all are. LOL!
She Be Me

AOL

#19 Mar 3, 2008
Cricket 23 wrote:
<quoted text>
It won't mean a thing if they vote and we don't!(They being the Spanish speaking Americans that support the illegal aliens which includes 99% of them! When was the last time your read a post from a Hispanic American that condemn illegal aliens?
That would be never.
american

Vienna, VA

#21 Mar 4, 2008
Ralphie wrote:
Preferential treatment should not be given to any ethnic group. If we were favoring white Europeans this way, the protests would be deafening. This is an invasion and shows a complete lack of respect for the United States. I sympathize with people who live in poor countries. But, there are too many for us to take care of. We have to look after our own first. After years of turmoil, black people are finally starting to realize their part of the American Dream. Now, non-English speaking students are soaking up classroom resources. This is wrong. This invasion has to stop. Our laws must be respected and enforced.
I guess you haven't heard of Affirmative Action.
american

Vienna, VA

#22 Mar 4, 2008
Fed up Vet wrote:
Here is a Proposal
Round um up and send them HOME!!
Just die already. Kill yourself. The world will be a better place without you in it

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