Proposed rules could shrink Lake Erie...

Proposed rules could shrink Lake Erie | The Columbus Dispatch

There are 128 comments on the Columbus Dispatch story from Jun 6, 2011, titled Proposed rules could shrink Lake Erie | The Columbus Dispatch. In it, Columbus Dispatch reports that:

FirstEnergy's Bay Shore power plant in Oregon, near Toledo, uses vast quantities of water from Lake Erie's Maumee Bay to cool its generators.

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Thirsty in Ohio

Honolulu, HI

#107 Jun 6, 2011
well that beats all.
DAK

Columbus, OH

#108 Jun 7, 2011
The OH Life wrote:
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Not all Republicans fit your bill of anti-environment, and not all Democrats fit your bill of being environmentally friendly. It's time to get off the "all Repubs want is profit". Dems are HUGE recipients of CORPORATE dollars!! Open your eyes moron... your Dem highness Pelosi took jets to fly herself and her family around the country on your taxes... not to mention NY Dem Rangle who tried to dodge taxes at all costs. Yep, sure sounds like the Dems are all squeaky clean just because they belong to that "all-mighty" party (more like the party of hypocricy and corruption).
I know... I was pointing out the other poster's claim of "all democrats."
DAK

Columbus, OH

#109 Jun 7, 2011
Dannawally wrote:
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And what country would that be, numb nutz?
Thanks for calling me a name... Proves you have nothing constructive to say.
You Fail

Athens, OH

#110 Jun 7, 2011
All of you naysayers should set an example by not drinking bottled water, or using water from groundwater wells and Ohio surface waters.

It's hypocritical in essence to say to anyone, "I can contribute to the draw down of surface and groundwater, but you can't."

Unless you're drinking rainwater, you are a contributor to what you perceive as a problem! The same goes if you use anything else manufactured or grown by humans.

For whatever purpose the water would be used for is relative to large numbers of human wants. If not, there would be no incentive to use the water.

Is it okay to go to China instead of the United States to use their water resources, knowingly we have better environmental standards? Which would be better for the earth?
Jesus H Christ

Asheville, NC

#111 Jun 7, 2011
Zoe Regen wrote:
Would Lake Erie shrink Anthony Weiner in his underpants?
11th post you have put up on Weiner's underwear. Who is paying you to post this krap or are you just another right wing underwear freak?
Jim Olson

Traverse City, MI

#112 Jun 7, 2011
Not only will these irresponsibly high thresholds for permits to withdraw water from Lake Erie and other lakes and streams signal excessive water use in Ohio, it will signal China, Middle East, and other water scarce countries to buy up Ohio land, use its water, and send its food (using excessive water) to its own people. Ohio will end up the water colony of other countries in the new idustrial/energy/food world. On top of this, these kinds of high cap limits imply no harm and no need to conseve water in Ohio. So when Ohio gets into a trade tribunal claim or challenge for saving or protecting its water, it will lose because it will not be able to show environmental or conservation justification. Finally, everyone needs to realize that the diversion ban in the Compact DID NOT BAN ALL WATER TRANSFERS. Water can be sent out of Ohio from Lake Erie and other water sources because any amount of water in any sized container is exempt from the diversion ban as a "product." That is, there's a water export exception in the definitions of the Compact. If citizens of Ohio are not more careful, they and their communities will get hammered by outside water users and marketers.
Water baron

Columbus, OH

#113 Jun 7, 2011
sciotopiker wrote:
Hey, there is money to be made ,nothing else matters. All of you "working class" people only care about fishing,swimming ,boating and the stupid environment. That just tells me that you have too much time on your hands and you make too much money. You need to work more and make less money. You don't hear the Chinese crying and whining do you ?
Actually, yes, I do hear the Chinese crying and whining about the sorry state of their environment. There is a rapidly growing environmental movement in China because they see the harm there lifestyles have done - polluted water they can't fish in or clean up enough to drink and air so thick they have to wear masks when outdoors. Or do you pay attention to actual world news? They are going through what we were in the 60s and 70s post industrial revolution. I don't think we want to return to those days in the U.S., but you're welcome to move to China if you think it's better.

Since: Apr 10

Columbus, OH

#114 Jun 7, 2011
rls wrote:
<quoted text>When the water condenses and makes steam it goes into the air and not in the water. The cooling towers are releasing the steam from cooling the generating plants nor the generators. Either way they are wasting alot of water when they could use wind power and solar power but they choose to use coal so they can polute the air.
Where the water vapor then condenses into rain, which falls back into the lake.
Water baron

Columbus, OH

#115 Jun 7, 2011
You Fail wrote:
All of you naysayers should set an example by not drinking bottled water, or using water from groundwater wells and Ohio surface waters.
It's hypocritical in essence to say to anyone, "I can contribute to the draw down of surface and groundwater, but you can't."
Unless you're drinking rainwater, you are a contributor to what you perceive as a problem! The same goes if you use anything else manufactured or grown by humans.
For whatever purpose the water would be used for is relative to large numbers of human wants. If not, there would be no incentive to use the water.
Is it okay to go to China instead of the United States to use their water resources, knowingly we have better environmental standards? Which would be better for the earth?
You make a fair point. The issue really isn't the amount of water withdrawn from Lake Erie, but the rate at which it is put back and in what condition it's put back. The return of water to the lake (natural and man-made) need to be roughly equal to or greater than the amount withdrawn in order to sustain the lake. And the water homes, agriculture and businesses use needs to be sufficiently cleaned before being put back into the lake. We already spend billions of dollars dredging the lake's ports and in sewer upgrades. We need to take care of the lake now or the bill will keep going higher and that will affect the economy negatively - and perhaps our own health (millions get their drinking water from the lake, and treating that water to make it drinkable is expensive). So let's tread lightly on this issue and make sure it's well thought out with sustainable limits.

“Zuzu's Petals”

Since: Sep 10

Bedford Falls

#116 Jun 7, 2011
Jesus H Christ wrote:
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11th post you have put up on Weiner's underwear. Who is paying you to post this krap or are you just another right wing underwear freak?
Could it be that you are jealous of Weiner?
Martian

Cleveland, OH

#117 Jun 7, 2011
Jesus H Christ wrote:
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11th post you have put up on Weiner's underwear. Who is paying you to post this krap or are you just another right wing underwear freak?
Talking to Zoe is like to talking to a broken record,she is stuck on stupid..........
It never ceases to amaze HOW stupid
She is not of this world
DrC Ohio

Columbus, OH

#118 Jun 7, 2011
Same as it ever was wrote:
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Elites just cannot control their love of all things "native". Pure evil people that always find the wrong in everything. I grew up on a stinky green Lake Erie, a clean lake is better than a dirty lake!
Have you ever heard of Niagara falls? Your precious water goes over the falls at a rate of no less than 64,000 cubic feet per second. There is .13336 cubic feet in one gallon. A million gallons every 2 seconds on a slow day. And most importantly for the environmentalist that insist on off shoring all industry to China. You can lie day and night but you cannot change the facts. Water is NEVER used, it is always borrowed. The greatest renewable resource of all time.
Wow, how many things can someone get wrong in one post? I think you set a record. Water is not renewable. We take more water from the Great Lakes then is replenished by snow melt and rain. Additionally, polluted water is not the same as quality water. Your comment about China makes no sense, please go back to school and take a course on grammar. If you are implying it is because enviro regs that make industry move to China you are wrong. It is the labor market willing to work for a couple bucks a day. So, if you want to live in a cess pool that is some of china, go move there and stop posting on Topix. Funny how the lake clean up and clean air is due to those "pesky" environmentalist. Well, you are welcome.
DrC Ohio

Columbus, OH

#119 Jun 7, 2011
Martian wrote:
<quoted text>
Talking to Zoe is like to talking to a broken record,she is stuck on stupid..........
It never ceases to amaze HOW stupid
She is not of this world
LOL! This is one of the best posts I've ever read-you hit it on the head!
Martian

Cleveland, OH

#120 Jun 7, 2011
DrC Ohio wrote:
<quoted text>
LOL! This is one of the best posts I've ever read-you hit it on the head!
She's something else..........her attenae must have bent out of shape.
Signals not coming in clear
Same as it ever was

Ooltewah, TN

#121 Jun 7, 2011
DrC Ohio wrote:
<quoted text>
Wow, how many things can someone get wrong in one post? I think you set a record. Water is not renewable. We take more water from the Great Lakes then is replenished by snow melt and rain. Additionally, polluted water is not the same as quality water. Your comment about China makes no sense, please go back to school and take a course on grammar. If you are implying it is because enviro regs that make industry move to China you are wrong. It is the labor market willing to work for a couple bucks a day. So, if you want to live in a cess pool that is some of china, go move there and stop posting on Topix. Funny how the lake clean up and clean air is due to those "pesky" environmentalist. Well, you are welcome.
You can thank Richard M. Nixon.
You Fail

Athens, OH

#122 Jun 7, 2011
Jim Olson wrote:
Not only will these irresponsibly high thresholds for permits to withdraw water from Lake Erie and other lakes and streams signal excessive water use in Ohio, it will signal China, Middle East, and other water scarce countries to buy up Ohio land, use its water, and send its food (using excessive water) to its own people. Ohio will end up the water colony of other countries in the new idustrial/energy/food world. On top of this, these kinds of high cap limits imply no harm and no need to conseve water in Ohio. So when Ohio gets into a trade tribunal claim or challenge for saving or protecting its water, it will lose because it will not be able to show environmental or conservation justification. Finally, everyone needs to realize that the diversion ban in the Compact DID NOT BAN ALL WATER TRANSFERS. Water can be sent out of Ohio from Lake Erie and other water sources because any amount of water in any sized container is exempt from the diversion ban as a "product." That is, there's a water export exception in the definitions of the Compact. If citizens of Ohio are not more careful, they and their communities will get hammered by outside water users and marketers.
You water hoarder!

“Zuzu's Petals”

Since: Sep 10

Bedford Falls

#123 Jun 7, 2011
Martian wrote:
<quoted text>
Talking to Zoe is like to talking to a broken record,she is stuck on stupid..........
It never ceases to amaze HOW stupid
She is not of this world
Boo Hoo! Weiner and phone sex, classic example of a lunatic liberal!

Can't wait to see what SNL performs in regards to Anthony, the Groin Self-Photographer, Weiner!!!!!!!
U R STUPID

Cleveland, OH

#124 Jun 7, 2011
Zoe Regen wrote:
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Boo Hoo! Weiner and phone sex, classic example of a lunatic liberal!
Can't wait to see what SNL performs in regards to Anthony, the Groin Self-Photographer, Weiner!!!!!!!
AND ZOE........ a BOO HOO to YOU too!

Chris Lee
Elliot Spitzer
Clearance Thomas
Bob Packwood
Newt Gingrich
Mark Foley
David Vitter
Larry Craig
Mark Stanford
Michael Steele
Duke Cunningham
Ralph Reed
Tom De Lay

SNL had more than they can handle with the Goppstoppers

“Zuzu's Petals”

Since: Sep 10

Bedford Falls

#125 Jun 7, 2011
SLATE-MSN 6/7/11

Sorry, but that story doesn't add up. And it doesn't square with the emerging details of Weiner's online behavior. According to ABC News, Meagan Broussard, a 26-year-old woman armed with documentation, says the congressman "almost immediately" friended her on Facebook after she called one of his political videos "hottttt." They went on to exchange "hundreds of messages," many of which were sexual. On some occasions, she recalls him asking, "What are you wearing? What do you like? You know, in the bedroom…" In another message, he supposedly joked, "I am stalking you." Broussard also says Weiner phoned her and mentioned her daughter's name, which "kind of freaked me out because you had to pilfer through my Facebook to find out her name." And then there were the photos of his bare chest and thinly clothed erection.

In the annals of lust and sin, Weiner is just another straying husband. But in the unfolding story of information technology, he's a milestone worth thinking about. The trajectory of political sex scandals—Clinton, Mark Foley, Kwame Kilpatrick, Mark Sanford, and now Weiner—has taken us from phone sex to chat rooms to sexting to email to Facebook and Twitter. We're finding new realms in which to wander, meet people, and flirt. You can call these adventures whatever you want to. But we all know what they are. They're relationships.
Tears BooHooHooooooooo o

Cleveland, OH

#126 Jun 7, 2011
Zoe Regen wrote:
<quoted text>
Boo Hoo! Weiner and phone sex, classic example of a lunatic liberal!
Can't wait to see what SNL performs in regards to Anthony, the Groin Self-Photographer, Weiner!!!!!!!
I will leave the BOO- Hoo-HOOing to the speaker of the house....Boner, no Boehner. Yeah that's it!
It's just a matter of time until the next scandle, Zoe. Get ready now and sharpen those claws.......Now don't foget, if it's a gop keep silent but if it's a Dem, start ripping.........
Two standards.....Hmmmmmm!

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