Fluorescent-bulb effort will be volun...

Fluorescent-bulb effort will be voluntary, utility says

There are 24 comments on the DispatchPolitics story from Oct 29, 2009, titled Fluorescent-bulb effort will be voluntary, utility says. In it, DispatchPolitics reports that:

Consumers would no longer have to participate in an Ohio utility's program that effectively forced them to buy overpriced energy-efficient light bulbs, under a revamped proposal the company presented to state regulators yesterday.

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chuck

Columbus, OH

#1 Oct 29, 2009
I did not expect this kind of lukewarm report by the Dispatch. Commissioner Cheryl Roberto had good questions and comments. Why did you not publish a concise report of the entire hearing so that people could have seen exactly who authorized this bulb 'scheme' and what they were trying to get out of it?
Bob

Buford, GA

#2 Oct 29, 2009
This is a microcosim of Cap & Trade. Alot of people will make millions on this upcoming scam if it's passed.
BLJ

Columbus, OH

#3 Oct 29, 2009
"Consumers are now very confused and angry," said Ohio Public Utilities Commissioner Ronda Hartman Fergus. "The program itself is a very good program. Some effort needs to be put to,'How do we turn around that image with the public?' "

How? Don't try to sell people a bulb they could buy on their own for under two bucks. Heck, I bought a six-bulb package of 60 watt fluorescents recently at Home Depot for a $1.89!

"FirstEnergy and the Ohio consumers' counsel worked together to develop a distribution plan to get compact fluorescent bulbs to consumers."

How about printing a barcode on their bill which they take to Lowe's, Home Depot, WalMart, etc? The barcode is scanned, they get two bulbs for a special price, which gives people an incentive. The scanned barcode lets First Energy know how many bulbs have been purchased. When you cram things down people's throats, they tend to rebel. What don't our elected officials understand about that?
Dan

Winchester, KY

#4 Oct 29, 2009
"FirstEnergy and the Ohio consumers' counsel worked together to develop a distribution plan to get compact fluorescent bulbs to consumers."

Anyone involved in this should be hung. Distribution plan?

These apparatchiki felt the need to reinvent Lowes, Home Depot's, and Wal-Mart's infrastructure?

Anyone can buy CF bulbs. This was simply a money grab by First Energy and a chance for PUCO to gain more power.
AAA

Columbus, OH

#5 Oct 29, 2009
a. This has no more to do with cap and trade than it does with abortion.

b. This is just greed by the utility plain and simple. They thought that their stupid customers wouldn't catch them. I hope there are some sort of consequences for them beyond revamping the program.
Archie Bunker

Hilliard, OH

#6 Oct 29, 2009
AAA wrote:
a. This has no more to do with cap and trade than it does with abortion.
b. This is just greed by the utility plain and simple. They thought that their stupid customers wouldn't catch them. I hope there are some sort of consequences for them beyond revamping the program.
a. Kill a baby, save a light bulb!
b. Just ask a politician!
Reena

Columbus, OH

#7 Oct 29, 2009
In the hearing OCC said that it saw the writing on the wall that FirstEnergy will continue with their plan and hence they decided that they will not be able to stop it. OK...If someone wrote on the wall that they were going to kill someone, will anyone who looked at this wall keep quiet saying 'he had decided to kill and hence let us not do anything'. Seeing the writing on the wall that consumers are duped should have sparked action on OCC's part immediately. They also lied saying they did bring up language on the uselessness of the 100 watt equivalent CFLs, cost being high etc which was disclosed in the hearing that they never raised any of those logical questions before the hearing and they were not included in the docket either. Liars!

This is just the tip of the iceberg! People should find out why such a laughable 'scheme' was approved in the first place, who are all the players in this and what it is (or how much) that they all got from FirstEnergy to get their approval?
the truth

Big Lake, MN

#8 Oct 30, 2009
AAA wrote:
a. This has no more to do with cap and trade than it does with abortion.
b. This is just greed by the utility plain and simple. They thought that their stupid customers wouldn't catch them. I hope there are some sort of consequences for them beyond revamping the program.
This whole global warming is BS and allows the democrats to control our lives and put us under the world control in a one world government, while the few of them get rich on the backs of the shrinking middle working class American. It send the jobs oversees and makes us dependent on government and both parties are to blame as both only care about power but the left is on a fast track with their scare tactics of “we have to act now or the world will end.”

1. the dirt is in the fabric and it is now past due for a washing:
2. up and coming countries like India, Russia, and China all nuke powers and industrialized do not have to follow the same rules. Even Clinton knew he would send jobs oversee if it passed on the Keota protocol.
3. It set up a false market for AL Gore and others to get rich and have already. It brings more power to big business with corruption in government allowing GE and Imoff and his state run CNBC and its green weeks to promote the lies and get more tax money and lock a monopoly in markets.
4. GE and CNBC and it other Obama news networks push the lie and the florescent light bulb so they can make us pay them high market ups for one of the worse light bulbs ever.
5. It causes many problems from peoples headaches, bad lighting on the color spectrum scale, causes harmonics which is to must people “noise” the hum in the ballast, it burns neutral wires up when not sized right and will bring many house fires in our ever increasing digital world.
6. The safety issue will cause many more deaths with house wiring not able to hold up to what we already have and with the increase in the largest power load of lighting will raise insurance cost legal battles and much more dept to our world. Thanks Obama and DNC for this blood is on you.
7. It causes power grid blackouts and brownouts like the one in Columbus last Nov 14th 2008 caused by Nationwide Insurance that closed many business. Or the northeast blackout many of went with out power.
8. Not to mention the high cost that even some Germans and brits are stocking up on incandescent light bulbs as they understand this problem.
9. Then we see the power companies let big GE and DNC ram this up our rear ends and cry for higher rates and tax dollars to upgrade knowing full well this could be slowed and the dumb asssss save the planets redistribute the wealth nut jobs are making the BS carbon foot print worse.
10. I say drill now drive bigger gas hogs and use our own fossil fuels and pray for palm trees in the great lakes and lose the two east coast left wing nut jobs. And make the great lakes the place to go in the winter. Just think greeniess then you would save a little fur coat and the furry friend would not have to be killed to stay warm thanks to Obama freezing us out.

Since: Oct 09

Columbus, OH

#9 Oct 30, 2009
the truth wrote:
<quoted text>
This whole global warming is BS and allows the democrats to control our lives and put us under the world control in a one world government, while the few of them get rich on the backs of the shrinking middle working class American. It send the jobs oversees and makes us dependent on government and both parties are to blame as both only care about power but the left is on a fast track with their scare tactics of “we have to act now or the world will end.”
1. the dirt is in the fabric and it is now past due for a washing:
2. up and coming countries like India, Russia, and China all nuke powers and industrialized do not have to follow the same rules. Even Clinton knew he would send jobs oversee if it passed on the Keota protocol.
3. It set up a false market for AL Gore and others to get rich and have already. It brings more power to big business with corruption in government allowing GE and Imoff and his state run CNBC and its green weeks to promote the lies and get more tax money and lock a monopoly in markets.
4. GE and CNBC and it other Obama news networks push the lie and the florescent light bulb so they can make us pay them high market ups for one of the worse light bulbs ever.
5. It causes many problems from peoples headaches, bad lighting on the color spectrum scale, causes harmonics which is to must people “noise” the hum in the ballast, it burns neutral wires up when not sized right and will bring many house fires in our ever increasing digital world.
6. The safety issue will cause many more deaths with house wiring not able to hold up to what we already have and with the increase in the largest power load of lighting will raise insurance cost legal battles and much more dept to our world. Thanks Obama and DNC for this blood is on you.
7. It causes power grid blackouts and brownouts like the one in Columbus last Nov 14th 2008 caused by Nationwide Insurance that closed many business. Or the northeast blackout many of went with out power.
8. Not to mention the high cost that even some Germans and brits are stocking up on incandescent light bulbs as they understand this problem.
9. Then we see the power companies let big GE and DNC ram this up our rear ends and cry for higher rates and tax dollars to upgrade knowing full well this could be slowed and the dumb asssss save the planets redistribute the wealth nut jobs are making the BS carbon foot print worse.
10. I say drill now drive bigger gas hogs and use our own fossil fuels and pray for palm trees in the great lakes and lose the two east coast left wing nut jobs. And make the great lakes the place to go in the winter. Just think greeniess then you would save a little fur coat and the furry friend would not have to be killed to stay warm thanks to Obama freezing us out.
blah, blah, blah, only you could take this story and blame obama for it. You want to talk about dumb ass, let's talk first energy who tried to take the rate payer to the cleaners. They out to be fined (and they should pay it not the rate payer). The utility companies are some of the biggest crooks out there.
the truth

Big Lake, MN

#10 Oct 30, 2009
DrC Ohio wrote:
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blah, blah, blah, only you could take this story and blame obama for it. You want to talk about dumb ****, let's talk first energy who tried to take the rate payer to the cleaners. They out to be fined (and they should pay it not the rate payer). The utility companies are some of the biggest crooks out there.
BLA BLA bla.
Thank you for pointing out I have hit the truth and you know it which is why you can not counter what I said. bla bla bla

How is that Apllo Soros Tides funding doing for you?

One world gov is your end game and it will be your end game thanks to free speech and the 2 nd amendment.

get your guns cleaned granny the tax man is comming to bust the still again. HA HA HA ANd he wants to put you in the cold and kill you with his deathcare plan.

Since: Oct 09

Columbus, OH

#11 Oct 30, 2009
the truth wrote:
<quoted text>
BLA BLA bla.
Thank you for pointing out I have hit the truth and you know it which is why you can not counter what I said. bla bla bla
How is that Apllo Soros Tides funding doing for you?
One world gov is your end game and it will be your end game thanks to free speech and the 2 nd amendment.
get your guns cleaned granny the tax man is comming to bust the still again. HA HA HA ANd he wants to put you in the cold and kill you with his deathcare plan.
I would call you a loon, but loons are actually very cool creatures. I think you have more of a demagogue complex, who cannot engage in civil debate or dialogue. I think you probably had a bad experience when you were a child that stunted your mental growth.

I see no reason why the healthcare system should NOT be redone. co-pays are too high, they companies find a way to weasel out of paying the rest of it, pre-existing conditions aren't covered, people who don't have it are waiting until emergencies to go to the ER which is more costly. Not to mention all the lost work days of people who don't have health care when they get sick.

BTW, you know the number one reason why Ohioan's file for bankruptcy? drowning in medical bills.

Since: Oct 09

Columbus, OH

#12 Oct 30, 2009
the truth wrote:
<quoted text>
BLA BLA bla.
Thank you for pointing out I have hit the truth and you know it which is why you can not counter what I said. bla bla bla
How is that Apllo Soros Tides funding doing for you?
One world gov is your end game and it will be your end game thanks to free speech and the 2 nd amendment.
get your guns cleaned granny the tax man is comming to bust the still again. HA HA HA ANd he wants to put you in the cold and kill you with his deathcare plan.
BTW, the CFL lights SAVE money. I know that is hard for you to understand since you are against anything new or energy efficient.
the truth

Big Lake, MN

#13 Oct 30, 2009
DrC Ohio wrote:
<quoted text>
I would call you a loon, but loons are actually very cool creatures. I think you have more of a demagogue complex, who cannot engage in civil debate or dialogue. I think you probably had a bad experience when you were a child that stunted your mental growth.
I see no reason why the healthcare system should NOT be redone. co-pays are too high, they companies find a way to weasel out of paying the rest of it, pre-existing conditions aren't covered, people who don't have it are waiting until emergencies to go to the ER which is more costly. Not to mention all the lost work days of people who don't have health care when they get sick.
BTW, you know the number one reason why Ohioan's file for bankruptcy? drowning in medical bills.
Ihave to tell you LMAOAU

I have learned a long time ago debating libs is a lost cause you are the (people of the lie) which is a good book to read about you.

I like how you try to tie me to bankruptcy and death panels this is sweet thank you.

So you know the global warming debate it is not a debate it is a lie and we have a consensus on it have you ever heard this before so you lose.

How is your unemployment going for you and having to work for one of Obamas brown shirt blogging lies. Have they taken your home from you yet or is there a grant to ACORN or Tides or one of the other communist community organizing funds keeping you under roof while Obama tries to take away and cause more jobs to leave so he can pull more of the Obama cash stash out?
.
the truth

Big Lake, MN

#14 Oct 30, 2009
DrC Ohio wrote:
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BTW, the CFL lights SAVE money. I know that is hard for you to understand since you are against anything new or energy efficient.
You are wrong again I am for new things that work wind and solor are OK in some areas but you need 1,000 miles of panels to light one city street so it is not fisable yet.

WHy will the Kennedys not allow them off of Marthas Vinyard if it is so good?

What abot all of the little four legged creatures that will be displaced by 1,000 mile sof panles to light one city street? Maybe we can have Obama death care or Irans little midget Mach Moud amdimeajd kill off 3/3rds of the human race. Is this what you want?

Yes it is as Obama and his comiieeee pals would love to make how ever is left bow down to his plan of Marxist dictatorship.

Now if you can produce real things of energy that work I am with you on this but not union and GE paybacks like the Fl light buld for Obamas state run probaganda news networks like NBC or CNBC to spill his lies like you are doing.

ANd by the way the floor doc is calling you to your padded cell for your meds.

The truth hurts right Obama told you to get ready for the pain and it is here.

Since: Oct 09

Columbus, OH

#15 Oct 30, 2009
the truth wrote:
<quoted text>
Ihave to tell you LMAOAU
I have learned a long time ago debating libs is a lost cause you are the (people of the lie) which is a good book to read about you.
I like how you try to tie me to bankruptcy and death panels this is sweet thank you.
So you know the global warming debate it is not a debate it is a lie and we have a consensus on it have you ever heard this before so you lose.
How is your unemployment going for you and having to work for one of Obamas brown shirt blogging lies. Have they taken your home from you yet or is there a grant to ACORN or Tides or one of the other communist community organizing funds keeping you under roof while Obama tries to take away and cause more jobs to leave so he can pull more of the Obama cash stash out?
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Poop, you are funny. The assumption and leaps of logic you make are something in fairy tales. You always try to make it personal instead of sticking to the issues. There is general consensus in the scientific community about global climate change and that we are seeing the effects.

You are the one who brought up the "deathcare" issue-I was simply responding to you-so it wasn't that big of a jump to "tie" you to the issue. Keep drinking the Faux News kool aide and ignoring the majority of facts.
the truth

Big Lake, MN

#16 Oct 30, 2009
DrC Ohio wrote:
<quoted text>
Poop, you are funny. The assumption and leaps of logic you make are something in fairy tales. You always try to make it personal instead of sticking to the issues. There is general consensus in the scientific community about global climate change and that we are seeing the effects.
You are the one who brought up the "deathcare" issue-I was simply responding to you-so it wasn't that big of a jump to "tie" you to the issue. Keep drinking the Faux News kool aide and ignoring the majority of facts.
the cosensus is you and the other libs with Obamanation are fools and we want global warming and a polar bear in very stew.

the polls and cosenus also says global warming is a lie and we do not care if it was we are not going to allow crap and tax and allow our country to be handed over to any one but our vote or it will be treason.

Push death care and cap and tax through and see what happens then. Civil war and what will you wimps on the left do as you hate and are killing our boys and girls for photo ops. Police and milatary all take their oaths for real unlike Obama and his commieee pals.

Do it push the bills trough and see who will protect all of you then... Do you think police and milatary will? NOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO
Lori

Columbus, OH

#17 Oct 30, 2009
AAA wrote:
a. This has no more to do with cap and trade than it does with abortion.
b. This is just greed by the utility plain and simple. They thought that their stupid customers wouldn't catch them. I hope there are some sort of consequences for them beyond revamping the program.
The greed part by the utility is obvious. Why should anyone (OCC) approve such an idiotic program? What is in it for them? Private companies will continue to come up with schemes that are profitable for them - that is the nature of the beast. But the advocates, whose job it is to stand up for the consumer - I am quoting the Dispatch here- why did they approve it? If a commoner can see the greediness of this so called 'program', why couldnt' they(!). Oh, they did see it - they are only sorry that people in the northeastern Ohio understood their scheme. Wonder how many programs of this type have been approved and implemented. How many millions were accumulated and exchanged? Commissioner Roberto did ask a question that was not related to this case. She asked as to why the cost was $7 per cfm when it should have been far less. This topic should not be forgotten and PUCO should investigate it. As for the bulb program goes, all of them who were involved in approving this scheme should resign. They have lost the public's confidence. That is the only way to regain their confidence.
David

United States

#18 Nov 3, 2009
This is an excellent example of what everyone can expect everywhere if the cap and trade bill working its way through congress passes. This is what's called "decoupling". Ohio's moronic legislature passed a law that says electric utilities must sell less power. Utilities are a business and they don't like that idea because, duh, less sales means less revenue. However, if the government allows them to game the system so that they make the same amount of revenue (decoupling!), then they'll go along with it. That's what was really happening here. PUCO's "shock" and "outrage" is lame. They knew exactly what First Energy was doing. The only thing they're upset about was that consumers figured it out and got it stopped. Residents of Ohio need to pay very close attention to PUCO in the future. They'll continue to try and do this kind of stuff, they'll just figure out how to be more sneakier about it.
John Q Public

United States

#19 Nov 4, 2009
this is very interesting cause i thought by 2012 you wont be able to buy any more incandescent bulbs anyways. they use too much power and heat up too much.

Since: Oct 09

Columbus, OH

#20 Nov 4, 2009
the truth wrote:
<quoted text>
the cosensus is you and the other libs with Obamanation are fools and we want global warming and a polar bear in very stew.
the polls and cosenus also says global warming is a lie and we do not care if it was we are not going to allow crap and tax and allow our country to be handed over to any one but our vote or it will be treason.
Push death care and cap and tax through and see what happens then. Civil war and what will you wimps on the left do as you hate and are killing our boys and girls for photo ops. Police and milatary all take their oaths for real unlike Obama and his commieee pals.
Do it push the bills trough and see who will protect all of you then... Do you think police and milatary will? NOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO
Again, you crack me up-where do you come up with this drivel? I think you are to the right of Rush and Glenn and that is hard to do! Health care reform is needed-even republicans agree that the current system is not working. You have for profit companies screwing people over so they can get bigger profits. This is not new, nor hidden.

Your comments on killing our boys for a photo opt makes no sense what so ever. Take a deep breath and finish your thought before putting it on paper.

Hate to break it to you, but I'm not a stereotypical "lib" or "moderate." Your characterization of libs as whimps is very amusing, and untrue.

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