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St. Paul / Delegation pitches Ford incentive

There are 35 comments on the TwinCities.com story from Aug 24, 2010, titled St. Paul / Delegation pitches Ford incentive. In it, TwinCities.com reports that:

They already said please. Then pretty please. Now this, they hope, is the cherry on top.

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Pat

Beverly Hills, CA

#21 Aug 25, 2010
Business + Government = Corruption
Epic Marketing Fail

Saint Paul, MN

#22 Aug 25, 2010
CARZ?! Really?! Becauze all the hipster kidz are uzing Zs instead of Xs? Becauze the Zubaz pantz with the zebra stripez are what the big hair boyz are wearing to catch the eyez of the big hair girlz at the discoz. Good luck with that.
JAdams

Hopkins, MN

#23 Aug 25, 2010
Have Ford give the keys to the plant to Toyota or Honda. The land will be useless for many years if Ford leaves.

Maybe Kommandant Coleman can turn the entire plant into government offices or a free range basket weaving manufacturing plant.
Spam

Saint Paul, MN

#24 Aug 25, 2010
Spam:
Zestar Corporation wrote:
Why are taxpayer incentives required when billions are available for recovery for Ford and other auomakers?
Outsourcing services to suppliers have resulted in a multibillion dollar recovery opportunity for the auto industry. The auto industry, including dealers and consumers have an opportunity to recover billions from non-government sources.
It would be fantastic if Ford took the leadership position on this issue.
Refer to links (press releases) for details.
http://www.mmdnewswire.com/auto-industry-6716...
http://www.mmdnewswire.com/vehicle-paint-qual...
http://www.forewordreviews.com/reviews/making...

Since: Feb 08

Sandstone MN

#25 Aug 25, 2010
As I said in another thread:
Why is it that the state (the taxpayers) will pay hundreds of millions of dollars to build a stadium for a professional sports team, but offers very little to keep an actual industry in the state?
Duh

Las Vegas, NV

#26 Aug 25, 2010
g-del wrote:
ill say one thing the governor has a lot of guts going to bat for the same group of folks that wont support him and have also destroyed the American manufacturing industry with their demands -- he'd be smart to let the socialist party lead the way with this because if it fails the unions will put all the blame on him--- where has the leadership from the state legislators been on this issue--
he did not suport them at the begining when he said ford was not needed.you might wonder why he is jumping on the band wagon now ?after all it has been in the works for all manufacting to go to other countrys for years and years and all people to work for min.
Freedom Lover

Minneapolis, MN

#29 Aug 25, 2010
Taxmemore wrote:
I wonder if Coleman will bring up that Toyota is the "official automotive partner" of St. Paul and Minneapolis while he's in Detroit? <Ding Ding>
I'd loke to read that Chris Coleman and his idiot brother, Nick had to stop their racing Toyota by slamming it into a stone wall. Or even better, they drove it off the bluffs overlooking to river. Talk about a scenic view. I can almost see it.

Since: Apr 09

St. Paul, Minnesota

#30 Aug 25, 2010
JOBZ is an acronym for Job Opportunity Building Zones, therefore, I'm assuming CARZ would stand for Car Opportunity Building Zones. If they were trying to act street by spelling jobs with a Z, I agree that the spelling would be silly and embarrassing, but it actually stands for something. Worry more about the potentials and pitfalls of the deal with Ford than about the name of the program please.
Oy Vey everybody

Burnsville, MN

#31 Aug 25, 2010
dave wrote:
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That 90 million incentive was cited as local property and corporate income taxes. They will only be paying school tax. My question is: What is the term of that savings incentive? They save $90 million yearly?...Assuming the workers make an average of $50k/yr, the government could pay their salaries for ~3 years with that $90MM.
That isn't how accounting works.

They are offering an incentive, not cash.

So if Ford would have paid $190mm in tax without the incentive, they will pay $100mm with the incentive.

Your suggestion of the city paying out of pocket would mean the city would have to come up with the cash. See the difference?

Now given the fact that if Ford closes it's doors and no one comes into that space to pay taxes... That would mean the city collects $0mm.

It's a last ditch effort to collect SOMETHING rather than nothing.
S D Alinsky

Inver Grove Heights, MN

#32 Aug 25, 2010
We need to save union jobs no matter the cost!
Cryos

Eden Prairie, MN

#33 Aug 25, 2010
I live in Minnesota and as long as St. Paul is a sanctuary city I will not shop there or buy any goods and services from St. Paul.

I hope Ford does leave just for that fact alone. Enough of these prissy liberal throwing our laws in our face. If we have job losses or other negative consequences so be it.
Chris in Como

Minneapolis, MN

#34 Aug 25, 2010
Take care of those Unions, Mr. Mayor... I love how he showed up to support them, and then in the same breath he basically bashes the Ranger as a vehicle declining in sales and popularity. So why again do we need to bail out this plant? Throwing good money after bad again? Seems to be the way Comrade Coleman likes to run the city.
Chris in Como

Minneapolis, MN

#35 Aug 25, 2010
Oy Vey everybody wrote:
Your suggestion of the city paying out of pocket would mean the city would have to come up with the cash. See the difference?
Now given the fact that if Ford closes it's doors and no one comes into that space to pay taxes... That would mean the city collects $0mm.
It's a last ditch effort to collect SOMETHING rather than nothing.
I agree with your "something is better than nothing" statement, but at the same time, where do you think the $90 million that isn't coming into the treasury is going to end up coming from? GM?
kleeys

Minneapolis, MN

#36 Aug 25, 2010
go back to building vehicles that consumers want instead of building vehicles the govt thinks people want. put the priiority on the horse - power, performance, reliability , then adress the cart - air conditioning, gps, rubber floor mats, leather seats . build a truck first not a cadilac. people are and have been for years taking fairly new vehicles ripping half the junk off them and spending another 5- 10,000 and up they way they want it. youve had to have known about the 36 billion dollar aftermarket .. try to tap into that. do some real research go to automobile enthusiast websites and post on forums ask what people want in a vehicle, cause they are spending thousands trying to correct the junk that the auto industry screws up. example - 700r4 transmission - junk. Jeep/ crysler has discovered this concept a few years ago building the jeep rubicon 40,000 vehicle with parts the consumers wanted ...
Union Bug

Inver Grove Heights, MN

#37 Aug 26, 2010
Chris in Como wrote:
Take care of those Unions, Mr. Mayor... I love how he showed up to support them, and then in the same breath he basically bashes the Ranger as a vehicle declining in sales and popularity. So why again do we need to bail out this plant? Throwing good money after bad again? Seems to be the way Comrade Coleman likes to run the city.
"look for the union label" I believe that every progressive is required to have it tatooed on their arse...

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