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St. Paul, state making appeal to keep Ford plant open

There are 17 comments on the TwinCities.com story from Jun 4, 2010, titled St. Paul, state making appeal to keep Ford plant open. In it, TwinCities.com reports that:

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Wheres Waldo

Morristown, NJ

#1 Jun 4, 2010
Where was govnernor Tim when all the Northwest people lost their jobs (both mechanics and headquarters people)??? Thanks Tim, can't wait to vote against you during the next presidential election (...that is if you make it through the primaries, Sister Sarah may beat you out, HA!).
Observer

Minneapolis, MN

#2 Jun 4, 2010
So once again, our elected officials go grovelling to Ford, begging them not to move. Pathetic. They act like they can't figure out why Ford is moving. There are many reasons.

http://www.examiner.com/x-36867-Minneapolis-E...
plant

Elk River, MN

#3 Jun 4, 2010
Wasn't this plant supposed to close years ago? Why don't they start building a popular vehicle there? Build the new Fiesta there? Make the plant a non-union plant also and it will be there for a long time. Unions do nothing but destroy jobs and businesses today.
wtf

Minneapolis, MN

#4 Jun 4, 2010
Since when has T-Paw been interesting in keeping jobs in Minnesota? I thought he was too busy trying to get his a** in the Oval Office.
Drunkoncouch

Minneapolis, MN

#5 Jun 4, 2010
This is too little too late. I am not interested in purchasing this land and leasing it back to them at a loss. Only the government would think that is a good idea. How about making our state more attractive to new business. Ford seems to making the right decisions lately.
Taxmemore

Minneapolis, MN

#6 Jun 4, 2010
I wonder why the mayor doesn't ask his pals over at the maker of the "official vehicle" of St. Paul, Toyota, to buy the plant and keep jobs there. If I were Ford, I wouldn't even return his phone calls.
Jill

Hopkins, MN

#7 Jun 4, 2010
Get the government OUT of the market place!

If Ford can't compete on their own, why should the taxpayer's subsidize incompetence?
jhs85

Pittsburgh, PA

#8 Jun 4, 2010
so why didnt something like this happen when the strohs brewery closed on the east side? or whirlpool leaving the east side? or 3M leaving the east side of st. paul? all three places located in walking distance of one another...look what happened to the eastside after all three left...good luck to highland park once ford leaves...is anything made in st paul anymore?
wow

San Francisco, CA

#9 Jun 4, 2010
Jill wrote:
Get the government OUT of the market place!
That might be the reason jobs are moving overseas. Right now this country needs jobs. Things need to be done to keep them from leaving. Your job might be next.
Freedom Lover

Minneapolis, MN

#14 Jun 5, 2010
jhs85 wrote:
so why didnt something like this happen when the strohs brewery closed on the east side? or whirlpool leaving the east side? or 3M leaving the east side of st. paul? all three places located in walking distance of one another...look what happened to the eastside after all three left...good luck to highland park once ford leaves...is anything made in st paul anymore?
This only thing I can think of are the EBT cards, WIC cards and other support services for all the illegals in Chris Coleman's "Sanctuary City."
wow

San Francisco, CA

#15 Jun 8, 2010
Remember when the state was trying to lure Saturn? Well...look how that ended.
wow

San Francisco, CA

#16 Jun 8, 2010
plant wrote:
Wasn't this plant supposed to close years ago? Why don't they start building a popular vehicle there? Build the new Fiesta there? Make the plant a non-union plant also and it will be there for a long time. Unions do nothing but destroy jobs and businesses today.
Sadly their already producing the Fiesta in Mexico. And Ford doesn't have much as far as vehicles in the planning stage. It's either the Ranger or nothing.
TootSweet

Boise, ID

#17 Jun 8, 2010
Yet another good union establishment.

(facepalm)
Minnesota Worker

Minneapolis, MN

#18 Jun 8, 2010
plant wrote:
Wasn't this plant supposed to close years ago? Why don't they start building a popular vehicle there? Build the new Fiesta there? Make the plant a non-union plant also and it will be there for a long time. Unions do nothing but destroy jobs and businesses today.
What are you, nuts? Unions guarantee employees a livable wage, something that is going out of style in the Walmartization of America. Do you really think that you could support a family on a $7 or $8 per hour job?

One thing you'll see over the next decade is a resurgance of unions as average pay continues to go down and down and down.
Peter

Houston, TX

#19 Jun 8, 2010
Minnesota Worker wrote:
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What are you, nuts? Unions guarantee employees a livable wage, something that is going out of style in the Walmartization of America. Do you really think that you could support a family on a $7 or $8 per hour job?
One thing you'll see over the next decade is a resurgance of unions as average pay continues to go down and down and down.
No, you won't see that. Sure,$7 would be a problem, but that's why you need skills, not a union.

Unions can't exist where there's competition. With competition, the pain a union puts on a company in terms of cost and rigidity can't be passed on and the company dies. That's why unions continue to fade in private companies but continue to expand in government. In government, the union squeeze just gets passed on to a taxpayer without a choice.
Minnesota Worker

Minneapolis, MN

#20 Jun 8, 2010
Peter wrote:
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No, you won't see that. Sure,$7 would be a problem, but that's why you need skills, not a union.
Unions can't exist where there's competition. With competition, the pain a union puts on a company in terms of cost and rigidity can't be passed on and the company dies. That's why unions continue to fade in private companies but continue to expand in government. In government, the union squeeze just gets passed on to a taxpayer without a choice.
I'd be willing to bet you will see a resurgence of unions over the next decade. The average pay is dropping every year. The middle class in the US is slowly going away. The rich get richer and the poor get poorer. The decent jobs, like at the soon-to-close Polaris plant in Osceola, are being outsourced overseas or sent to Mexico or China.

You're seeing the beginning of the haves vs the have-nots already. The way the system is structured right now, it's easier for a family to go onto welfare and not work at all than it is to work at a $7 or $8 per hour job.

The US used to be the world's innovators, and our technology allowed us to produce high quality goods that sold for a decent price on the world market - while paying workers decent pay.

Now it's other countries that are the innovators - the US lags far behind other countries. Our education system, for example, is completely broken. More high school grads now believe in voodoo and conspiracy theories than in scientific facts.

Ultimately something has to happen or the US economy will collapse on itself.
Peter

Houston, TX

#21 Jun 8, 2010
Minnesota Worker wrote:
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I'd be willing to bet you will see a resurgence of unions over the next decade. The average pay is dropping every year. The middle class in the US is slowly going away. The rich get richer and the poor get poorer. The decent jobs, like at the soon-to-close Polaris plant in Osceola, are being outsourced overseas or sent to Mexico or China.
You're seeing the beginning of the haves vs the have-nots already. The way the system is structured right now, it's easier for a family to go onto welfare and not work at all than it is to work at a $7 or $8 per hour job.
The US used to be the world's innovators, and our technology allowed us to produce high quality goods that sold for a decent price on the world market - while paying workers decent pay.
Now it's other countries that are the innovators - the US lags far behind other countries. Our education system, for example, is completely broken. More high school grads now believe in voodoo and conspiracy theories than in scientific facts.
Ultimately something has to happen or the US economy will collapse on itself.
The only way you'll see a resurgence of unions is if the government rigs the game. The liberals are doing their best, so we'll see. But even then it would be temporary. Government can't protect companies from competition. So, while they can unleash the hounds to feed on the company, they can't stop the company from then failing as it faces competition.

Other countries the innovators? Hardly. It's us. We have more competition, but we innovate just fine. Unions represent rigidity and are hardly any sort of positive influence as far as innovation is concerned.

$7/hour is a matter of skills and supply of labor. The best defenses are to get skills and to demand that your representatives cut the flow of unskilled labor into the country (close the border). A

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