Exelon Pushes To Store Nuclear Fuel In Limerick

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LIMERICK, PA Officials from Exelon Corporation will meet with Montgomery county officials and residents Tuesday to defend the company's plan to store spent nuclear fuel in outdoor casks at the Limerick Nuclear ...

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M Aument

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Jul 17, 2006
 
I don't care how safe they say they can make the storage area, used nuclear waste has no business being within ANY radius around a major metro area. It is too volatile an item. If the bureaucrats allow this, they should be made to live right next door. I lived in Perkiomenville when the plant was built and took 3 tours of the place. I felt safe until I attended college at Shippensburg which was within 25 miles of 3-Mile-Island when that "accident" took place. The only problem with not letting Exelon get its way is they will probably dump it in the ocean and contaminate it for the rest of our lives. You know, when we talk about the "holocaust" and second coming, it was never indicated that it would be a sudden dramatic event. We are creating our own holocaust by allowing big business to destroy our planet with toxins and pollutants. Poor Mother Earth.
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Jul 17, 2006
 
M Aument wrote:
I don't care how safe they say they can make the storage area, used nuclear waste has no business being within ANY radius around a major metro area. It is too volatile an item.
Used nuclear waste is one of the least volatile items in the universe.
M Aument wrote:
If the bureaucrats allow this, they should be made to live right next door.
That would be a big incentive for me to become a bureaucrat. Most of the federal bureaucrats already live near one of the most dangerous places in the nation; Washington, DC.
M Aument wrote:
I lived in Perkiomenville when the plant was built and took 3 tours of the place. I felt safe until I attended college at Shippensburg which was within 25 miles of 3-Mile-Island when that "accident" took place.
You were still safe even when that accident took place. No injuries and no deaths. You were more at risk from traffic accidents.
M Aument wrote:
The only problem with not letting Exelon get its way is they will probably dump it in the ocean and contaminate it for the rest of our lives.
The ocean is already laced with naturally radioactive elements. Dumping spent fuel in the ocean would produce no noticable, or even detectable, change. You already live in a sea of natural radioactivity, there is no way to escape it. Interestingly, Denver is the major city in the US that receives more natural radioactivity than any other. Yet it has one of the lowest cancer rates. People in Denver get more radioactivity than I did when I stood right next to spent nuclear fuel stored in dry casks.
M Aument wrote:
You know, when we talk about the "holocaust" and second coming, it was never indicated that it would be a sudden dramatic event. We are creating our own holocaust by allowing big business to destroy our planet with toxins and pollutants. Poor Mother Earth.
Your theory does a poor job of explaining why US life expectancy continues to increase and cancer rates continue to decrease. Perhaps you were intending to assert that there is no "big business" in the US.

As for Mother Earth, she created nuclear waste with nuclear reactors in Oklo, Gabon, Africa and showed us how easy it is to safely store nuclear waste.
From PA

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Jul 17, 2006
 
I think the real issue here is not the relative safety of Nuclear energy, but the fact that Yucca Mountain may never open, and therefore, we may have a large store of fuel rods permanently in a populous area. Many people believe that a nuke plant would have never been approved at this location if the population in 1986 was that of today. The other issue that irks locals is that Exelon thinks their plant is worthless and uses this premise to get their taxes reduced by 80%, and then the next year comes out and prolongs the life of their plant with dry cask storage. It's a tough issue with no easy answers.
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Jul 17, 2006
 
From PA wrote:
I think the real issue here is not the relative safety of Nuclear energy, but the fact that Yucca Mountain may never open.
There would be only one reason that Yucca Mountain would never open, political dishonesty.
From PA wrote:
therefore, we may have a large store of fuel rods permanently in a populous area. Many people believe that a nuke plant would have never been approved at this location if the population in 1986 was that of today.
All of those people moved there knowing that there was a nuclear power plant in the area. If they don't want the spent fuel there they should put pressure on their US Senators to do the right thing and open Yucca Mountain. It is absurd for you to allow a cabal of Neveda know-nothings to prenvent the proper scientific solution from being used.
From PA wrote:
The other issue that irks locals is that Exelon thinks their plant is worthless and uses this premise to get their taxes reduced by 80%, and then the next year comes out and prolongs the life of their plant with dry cask storage.
Your comment mankes no sense. If the plant was worthless, the taxes would have been reduced by 100%, not 80%. Why would it irk the locals to have the plant pay their way longer?
John

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Jul 17, 2006
 
At the risk of piling on I will weigh in. On site outdoor dry cast storage is a sensible solution to the waste containment issue. Down the road the current generation of reactors will be replaced with reactors that can utilize the spent fuel. Our current reactors only extract about 5% of the energy in the fuel rods. Since about ten times the amount of uranium in the fuel must be mined to enrich the fuel for the current light water reactors less than 1% of the energy from the uranium ore is consumed. The new generation reactors will not need enriched fuel and will fission the 99% remaining. Even with a major expansion of nuclear power no new uranium will need to be mined for centuries. The cement casks are strong and the waste in them has been decaying away under water for year. Most of the really hot short lived isotopes are gone. The hazard is really minimal. There is much more health risk livng near to a coal fired power plant.
From PA

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Jul 17, 2006
 
"Your comment mankes no sense. If the plant was worthless, the taxes would have been reduced by 100%, not 80%. Why would it irk the locals to have the plant pay their way longer?"

Do a search for articles on the plant and assessment. You will see that the Exelon lawyers argued that the plant was worthless, but in court, the assessment of the plant was not reduced a full 100%. Residents and local officials alike are irked because the feeling is that the plant is now assessed at a value far below the actual value and the argument that Exelon was using to reduce the assessment is now pretty diluted.
Absolutely, people who moved to the area after the plant was built knew it was there. I certainly don't have any fear of Nuclear power plants. I think probably most people didn't have any fear of the plant until Nuke plants were placed on the list of terrorist targets by the government. Another issue is that the municipality has no say in the expansion of the storage units. Another concern of residents is evacuation procedures for a densely populated area.
This is just part of the dialogue, not at attack on Nuclear power. Issues should be addressed locally, and to some extent this is being done. And I echo the remark about contacting your legislators regarding Yucca mountain. But the NRC people themselves said that the best case scenario would be it opening in 2015, and the worst case scenario would be that it would never open.
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Jul 17, 2006
 
From PA wrote:
Do a search for articles on the plant and assessment. You will see that the Exelon lawyers argued that the plant was worthless, but in court, the assessment of the plant was not reduced a full 100%.
I found the story below. But nothing to support your claim. In fact the installation of the dry caks storage would increase the tax revenue.

"Dan Ely, a Limerick resident, asked McGrory if he knew the current assessed value of the power plant.

McGrory said he was involved with the litigation concerning the assessment.
"In that litigation, part of [Exelon's] argument was that the plant has a certain life because there's nowhere to store the spent fuel after the pools fill up. And based on that, the plant will be decommissioned on a certain date. By having the fuel stored in dry casks, it extends the life of the plant and in turn will affect their assessment," McGrory said.

Ely asked for the initial assessment, and he asked if the plant was actually assessed at one point at $1.

McGrory said that the plant was initially assessed at "$900 billion or something" but the assessment didn't matter because of a state statute that said the plant was not responsible for taxes and instead paid a fee in lieu of taxes.

"When state law changed and it required them now to pay taxes based on the assessment, then they challenged the assessment to have it reduced, and it was reduced significantly less than that as a result of litigation," McGrory said.

When asked what the current assessment is, McGrory estimated that the plant is assessed at around $20 million.

"$20 million for what, a $600 million plant?" Ely asked.

McGrory agreed that the current assessment is low.

"Cost for this [above-ground storage] project is significant, so that in and of itself would increase the value of the land. The life of the plant will be extended significantly, that in and of itself will increase the value of the land, so the first thing we would do if this was ever built is to ask for another assessment, but chances are we'll be litigating again, and this time, hopefully we'll be more successful, but it definitely is going to result in an increase in the assessment," McGrory said."
LimRes

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Jul 23, 2006
 
Old vet wrote:
<quoted text>I found the story below. But nothing to support your claim. In fact the installation of the dry caks storage would increase the tax revenue.
"Others chafe with long-standing bitterness over the nuclear giant in their midst, township historian Bill Miller said. They didn't want it in the first place, and don't feel adequately compensated for the risks.

In 2005, Exelon won a reduction in the plant's assessed value for taxes from $912 million to $20 million. It is now the fourth-largest contributor to the Spring-Ford School District's coffers."

They should be the largest contributor to the SFSD. And what about their promises that utility bills would decrease? I don't know about you, but mine seem to go up every year.
LimRes

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Jul 23, 2006
 
Forgot to give the link to the story. Here it is:
http://www.philly.com/mld/inquirer/15100190.h...
Algernon Sidney

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Jul 26, 2006
 
LimRes wrote:
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In 2005, Exelon won a reduction in the plant's assessed value for taxes from $912 million to $20 million. It is now the fourth-largest contributor to the Spring-Ford School District's coffers."
They should be the largest contributor to the SFSD. And what about their promises that utility bills would decrease? I don't know about you, but mine seem to go up every year.
You get something for nothing and you want more.
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Jul 26, 2006
 
Storing Nuclear fuel in my neighborhood. I can't believe what I am hearing.... Limerick had the oppertuinty to lower taxes just a few months ago by letting the a casino be bulit on that lot and it was turned down.. What are these people smoking? I will protest this day and night if I have to. Accidents happen we all know that I don't care how safe they say everything is.
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Jul 26, 2006
 
Chrissy wrote:
Storing Nuclear fuel in my neighborhood. I can't believe what I am hearing.... Limerick had the oppertuinty to lower taxes just a few months ago by letting the a casino be bulit on that lot and it was turned down.. What are these people smoking? I will protest this day and night if I have to. Accidents happen we all know that I don't care how safe they say everything is.
Are you going to protest highways and automobiles or coal-fired power plants? They each kill thousands of people every year. Nuclear waste has never killed anyone in more than 50 years.
From PA

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Jul 27, 2006
 
Storm snuffed nuke plantís warning sirens for 5 days
http://www.pottstownmercury.com/site/news.cfm...

When the lightning struck and the power went out last week, it wasnít just home security systems that were rendered useless for warning of potential danger.

A spokeswoman for Exelon Nuclearís Limerick Generating Station confirmed Wednesday that 48 of the 165 off-site sirens that warn of a problem at the plant were knocked out for five days by the power outage that followed the storm.

...The potential for the loss of power to knock our sirens was outlined last year in a June 4 Mercury article. In it, The Mercury reported that out of 63 nuclear power stations across the country, only 17 have sirens that can be heard during a power failure.

...Earlier this month, the Limerick Board of Supervisors gave preliminary approval for the storage site plan. Following an hour-long public hearing during which NRC officials were quizzed about the safety of the project, the supervisors voted unanimously for it, stressing their only jurisdiction is over land-use issues.

The matter is listed on the agenda for this eveningís supervisorsí meeting, which begins at 7 p.m.
Donnie

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Jul 27, 2006
 
From PA wrote:
Storm snuffed nuke plantís warning sirens for 5 days
http://www.pottstownmercury.com/site/news.cfm...
When the lightning struck and the power went out last week, it wasnít just home security systems that were rendered useless for warning of potential danger.
The article also notes that there was an existing back-up warning plan that had been put into effect to provide warning while the sirens were out of service. An interesting omission.
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Jul 27, 2006
 
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<quoted text>The article also notes that there was an existing back-up warning plan that had been put into effect to provide warning while the sirens were out of service. An interesting omission.
That omission certainly wasn't purposeful, I just didn't want to copy the entire story. The back up plan is for the police to go door to door.

I would prefer that LGS be the 18th plant to have a siren system that works even when the power is out. This is a highly populous area and I think an upgrade idea has merit. I hope their researchers come to the same conclusion.

Here's more links to criticize, I won't quote any of it so I don't get in any more trouble....
http://www.pennlive.com/news/patriotnews/inde...

http://www.kyw1060.com/pages/61633.php
LimRes

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Jul 31, 2006
 
Anyone remember how many police officers abandoned their posts when Hurricane Katrina hit? I wouldn't relay on emergency personnel going door-to-door for notification. They are going to want to get out as fast as anyone else.

As for the casino issue, real smart to put a casino allowing 5.8 million strangers to pass by a terrorist target. And to Chrissy, the casino was NOT going to lower taxes but increase them.

Exelon needs to pay their fair share of taxes on an accurate assessment of value whether or not they store nuclear waste on the site.
Donnie

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Jul 31, 2006
 
LimRes wrote:
Anyone remember how many police officers abandoned their posts when Hurricane Katrina hit? I wouldn't relay on emergency personnel going door-to-door for notification.
Due to the corrupt nature of the local and state governments that had New Orleans in their jurisdiction, the local responders were not trained or otherwise prepared. That does not mean that all local responders will fail. On the other hand, local responders are prepared for nuclear emergencies by repeated training and drills. People who understand radiation emergencies recognize that the threat is minor compared to other types of emergency situations. Anti-nukes, who have no morals and wish to see many people die (from whatever cause), attempt to overcome those realities by teaching people false fears about nuclear power plants and radiation dangers.
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Jul 31, 2006
 
If you think corruption is limited to New Orleans, you are not living on this planet. Have you talked to the local emergency responders? The current plan isn't even adequate for the amount of people in the area. Are all the bus drivers getting the required training and admonition to stay in the area until all the residents are picked up and delivered to "safe" locations? This isn't fear mongering but a sincere desire to know that citizens will be taken care of in the event of a catastrophe. I do not agree with your statement that Anti-nukes are not moral and wish to see people die. I think after 9/11 and knowing that nuke plants are terrorist targets, citizens have very right to expect that their safety is paramount. No expense should be spared by Exelon (who it appears has a history of cutting corners) with regard to DCS. TMI and Chernobyl should be lessons well learned. Bad sh*t happens.
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Jul 31, 2006
 
LimRes wrote:
I think after 9/11 and knowing that nuke plants are terrorist targets, citizens have very right to expect that their safety is paramount.
Nobody's safety is ever paramount, even by their own actions. That is why hundreds of thousands of people die in the US every year due to unsafe actions. But no member of the public has ever been harmed by an unsafe act that occured at a US nuclear power plant. That is true even though anti-nukes have been begging the terrorist to attack a nuclear power plant for 5 years.
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TMI and Chernobyl should be lessons well learned.
The lessons of TMI were well-learned 10 years ago. That is why a similar accident has never happened. Interestingly enough, the Communists never trained their operators on any of the lessons of TMI. The lessons of Chernobyl had been learned in the US before Chernobyl happened. The most important one was don't put Communists is charge of nuclear power plants.
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Jul 31, 2006
 
LimRes wrote:
If you think corruption is limited to New Orleans, you are not living on this planet.
If the corruption in your area is so bad that the police can't handle an evacution you better get busy. You are wasting you time whining about a safe and clean nuclear power plant. There are many other things that are more likely to require an evacuation.

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