Emission limits will pummel Midwest, study says

Nationwide limits on greenhouse gas emissions will sock the Midwest in the wallet, but they're the key to the struggling region's hope for economic rebirth, a Chicago Council on Global Affairs task force declares in a report to be released Monday. Full Story
ken

Glen Ellyn, IL

#1 Jun 8, 2009
Yup, the cap and trade and all of gorebull warming junk science will turn the US into a socialist third world country. There are numerous studies demonstrating the devastating effect of most CO2 caps. You'd think that some politician would figure out that the 30 years of earth temperature ('70s-'90s) doesn't define a trend. The earth is 4.5 billion years old. At least go back 10,000 years- sure the earth has warmed since then; Chicago was covered with a glacier! Morons!
Starstream880

Tilton, NH

#2 Jun 8, 2009
Ken from Winfield has a point. The dollar costs here are very real, the human impact aspect of the GW science has some wobbly points. Quite a number of us would happily settle for improvements in air quality by finally replacing the numerous obsolete and dirty coal plants in the region that should have been happening for the last decade if NSR had been properly enforced. That would also be stimulative and "create jobs". In any case, will watch with great interest how enthusiastic the New Democrat mini-van mommies will be to embrace this aspect of "change we can believe in" when the full impact of can n' trade hits the HVAC costs of their McMansions.
ryan

Chicago, IL

#3 Jun 8, 2009
Emissions fees need to include cars. That will really help cities like Chicago, where mileage per person is much lower and where we'd pay much less in fuel taxes because we don't buy as much.
joe

Chicago, IL

#4 Jun 8, 2009
"President Barack Obama is pushing Congress to limit the heat-trapping gas emissions that scientists blame for global warming."

Blame does not equal proof!

Sounds like the push is on for clean nuclear energy then!
Taxpayer

Elmhurst, IL

#5 Jun 8, 2009
I went camping over the weekend. It got down into the 40's Saturday night.

We had a big fire, we could see our breaths as we laughed about global warming on that June night
Oh please

Buffalo Grove, IL

#6 Jun 8, 2009
Taxpayer wrote:
I went camping over the weekend. It got down into the 40's Saturday night.
We had a big fire, we could see our breaths as we laughed about global warming on that June night
The funny thing is how people like you can use the term GLOBAL warming, and try to use as an example to debunk it, some anecdote from your little bubble.

Believe it or not, your little bubble is far from representing things globally. It's pretty warm in Vegas today, so I guess if people down there are as self-important as you are, they could use their experience to counter your little story.

The term "global" warming is used because temperatures are affected across the globe, not necessarily in your back yard.
Earthling

Huécija, Spain

#7 Jun 8, 2009
Oh please wrote:
The funny thing is how people like you can use the term GLOBAL warming, and try to use as an example to debunk it, some anecdote from your little bubble.
Believe it or not, your little bubble is far from representing things globally. It's pretty warm in Vegas today, so I guess if people down there are as self-important as you are, they could use their experience to counter your little story.
The term "global" warming is used because temperatures are affected across the globe, not necessarily in your back yard.
Do you realise how funny that is?
You're quoting the temperature in Vegas as warm, LOL.

The 'globe' is your backyard, mine in Spain and everyone elses.
Well it's warm here too, but I guess it's cold at both poles, what do you reckon and what can you tell us about global temperatures?
Troot

New York, NY

#8 Jun 8, 2009
Wow, that headline is way off from the rest of the article:

The basic argument is blunt: Emissions limits are coming, but if Midwest leaders take a role in shaping them, they could craft the new rules to the region's advantage.

This is about leadership to ensure that the outcomes are constructive. 85% of the revenue from carbon auctions are supposed to go back to end users, so that "wallup" is strongly blunted.
joe

Chicago, IL

#9 Jun 8, 2009
GW is a hoax, that we all are going to pay dearly for:

http://www.middlebury.net/op-ed/global-warmin...

Maybe the point is to redistribute the wealth.
Adrian in Tacoma

Tacoma, WA

#10 Jun 8, 2009
Time to learn a new trick, all those universities and still using stone age industrial tech, because it's cheapest...
Jason

United States

#11 Jun 8, 2009
Several years ago, when this issue made its first worldwide appearance, the community was united that Global Warming was the issue of our generation.

If you notice, within the last year or so, it is no longer Global Warming, but now Climate Change that is the issue.

When the assigned definition and title did not fit the facts on the ground, the term was changed to better fit the facts on the ground. Hence Global Warming becomes Climate Change and the same hoax can continue.

If that alone is not enough proof to disprove Global Warming/Climate Change, then we are all doomed. It is all a socialist scheme to globally redistribute wealth.
Troot

New York, NY

#12 Jun 8, 2009
Jason---

So the vast science community is an evil cabal hellbent on transforming our system of governement? Come on. Listen to yourself.
PB Barr

United States

#13 Jun 8, 2009
Isn't Obamanation fun?! All those fun things he talked about on the campaign trail going poof before our very eyes. Jobs? Spent nearly a trillion on it, and got even high unemployment then was projected by Obamas people. Global Warming? Nice to talk about, but implement the plan to "solve" the "problem" and you destroy the American economy? Foreign policy? North Korea kicks sand into Obama's face daily, and Obama can't stop apologizing to Arab nations for how badly we've behaved, as the Arabs treat women like property.

Yeah, things are going good in Obamanation.
Adrian in Tacoma

Tacoma, WA

#14 Jun 8, 2009
Unfortunately gonna take more than 200 days to fix 8yrs of Dick'n Dubya...
Earthling

Huécija, Spain

#15 Jun 8, 2009
Troot wrote:
Jason---
So the vast science community is an evil cabal hellbent on transforming our system of governement? Come on. Listen to yourself.
Not quite, it's highly likely that the majority of the scientific community actually believe something unusual is happening.
The real problem is politicians, many of whom have seen this as a golden opportunity to have more control over the public.

There are many things the scientists and politicians haven't bothered to check thoroughly, many are relying on the 1º F temperature rise of the last 100 years to turn into a much bigger rise by the end of this century, causing a worldwide catastrophe.

Big problem, because none of them have stopped to think that natural progress will cause so many things to change during that time, including man made GHG emissions.

How is control maintained?
Easy, spread fear, alarm and despondency based on a hunch.
inverted hypothesis

Portland, ND

#16 Jun 9, 2009
Anthropogenic greenhouse gas emissions could be reduced to zero (worldwide) and the climate would continue to change as it always has. Unfortunately, the scientific community has followed a hypothesis that climate change must be man-made; therefore, let's find the source. This hypotheis has led to overlooking the natural forces that have been the cause of most rapid climate changes over eons of time. Since 1964 when the current seismic monitoring system was installed, the number of seismic events have increased from just over 5700 in 1964 to the range of 100,000 - 120,000 per year during the late 1990's and early 2000's. Within these years, the annual changes in atmospheric carbon dioxide and temperature have demonstrated an uncanny correlation with the number of seismic events. Most of the seismic activity occurs at the ocean floow where every BTU released by thermal vents and fledgling submarine volcanos goes directly into heating the ocean waters. As the water temperature increases, carbon dioxide is released to the atmosphere as the amount of carbon dioxide that water can hold decreases with increasing temperature. A study of this natural cause of carbon dioxide release is totally absent in the UN climate change documentation. Consequently, society is being asked to pay for a program that will likely have very little impact on climate change.

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