VY still lobbies for new license

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Shot down once, the owners of the Vermont Yankee nuclear plant continue pushing for a second vote by state lawmakers for a license extension allowing it to stay open past 2012.
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The Reformer litterbox

Dover, NH

#103 Oct 13, 2010
northstardust wrote:
The plant is about same size as VY. Whether we get power from H-Q or not, changes nothing re their lone npp. It will be there regardless.
And I believe with some research you would find it surprising the amount of Tritium the Hydro Quebec Nuclear plant releases to the enviroment.
mike mulligan

Boston, MA

#104 Oct 13, 2010
The Reformer litterbox wrote:
Do you ask the doctor what will happen when he says "Drink this radioactive dye so I can see your insides." Do you ask him the ramifications, do you ask him the amount of radioactivity in that drink, do you ask him what it does, do you call him a liar when he says it will not hurt you, do you think for one second about the fact that it is radioactive? Let me guess, no! he is the educated profeesional and you trust him. If the governemnt told you to drink radioactive dye would you think for a minute and say to yourself "Hey, this guy is not a doctor, maybe I should get an opinion from a proffesional before I drink this." You people are messed up.
I can read your mind...what are you smoking?

“figuresdontlie*l iarscanfigure”

Since: Feb 10

S. Londonderry VT

#105 Oct 13, 2010
The Reformer litterbox wrote:
<quoted text>
And I believe with some research you would find it surprising the amount of Tritium the Hydro Quebec Nuclear plant releases to the enviroment.
Absent of any facts point is dubious @ best. Please feel free to bring your evidence. I will research it to the extent I am able & time permits.
I Know More Than You

Swanzey, NH

#106 Oct 13, 2010
northstariidiot wrote:
Absent of any facts point is dubious @ best. Please feel free to bring your evidence. I will research it to the extent I am able & time permits.
Since she is too stupid to do anything but quote newspapers or blogs, I took ~3 minutes to find the following:

"The United Nations Scientific Committee on the Effects of Atomic Radiation (UNSCEAR) has noted that Canadian CANDU heavy water reactors generate about 30 times the amount of tritium of a light water U.S. reactor.

According to UNSCEAR, a CANDU reactor also normally releases over 20 times the amount of tritium to the environment (water and air) than a U.S. light water reactor.

Canada (Guidelines for Drinking Water Quality) has recently lowered the limit for tritium in drinking water from 40,000 becquerels per litre (Bq/L) to 7,000 Bq/L. In the U.S., the Environmental Protection Agency (EPA) sets a limit under the Safe Drinking Water Act of 740 Bq/L, almost 10 times as restrictive as Canada’s recently reduced limit."

More info here:

http://www.greenpeace.org/raw/content/canada/...

She doesn't care since the plants are in Canada (neither does Sen. Dumblim apparently)
mike mulligan

Boston, MA

#107 Oct 13, 2010
I don’t get it, but they detected greater than 3.5 million picocuries per liter in drinking water at VY.

It there some confusion in the translation from French?
The Reformer litterbox

Dover, NH

#108 Oct 13, 2010
mike mulligan wrote:
<quoted text>
I can read your mind...what are you smoking?
What Mike?
The Reformer litterbox

Dover, NH

#109 Oct 13, 2010
mike mulligan wrote:
I don’t get it, but they detected greater than 3.5 million picocuries per liter in drinking water at VY.
It there some confusion in the translation from French?
Mike, you are smarter than this. I know you are. A PicoCurie is 1 trillionth of a Curie. To put the relative size of one trillionth into perspective, consider that if the Earth were reduced to one trillionth of its diameter, the “picoEarth” would be smaller in diameter than a speck of dust. In fact, it would be six times smaller than the thickness of a human hair. Picocurie = 1/1,000,000,000,000 (one trillionth) of a Curie. Courtesy of http://www.lrb.usace.army.mil/fusrap/docs/fus...

1 Curie = 2X the Federal Budget
1 PicoCurie = cost of a hamburger and a coke
The Reformer litterbox

Dover, NH

#110 Oct 13, 2010
Here is some light reading for you all. Try and educate yourselves prior to speaking. You sound like idiots. http://www.nuclearsafety.gc.ca/eng/readingroo...
Toke

Holyoke, MA

#111 Oct 13, 2010
Reading this straight is like watching Cheech & Chong in Up in Smoke straight. It just doesn't make any sense. Excuse me I'll be right back!

“figuresdontlie*l iarscanfigure”

Since: Feb 10

S. Londonderry VT

#112 Oct 14, 2010
I Know More Than You wrote:
<quoted text>
Since she is too stupid to do anything but quote newspapers or blogs, I took ~3 minutes to find the following:
"The United Nations Scientific Committee on the Effects of Atomic Radiation (UNSCEAR) has noted that Canadian CANDU heavy water reactors generate about 30 times the amount of tritium of a light water U.S. reactor.
According to UNSCEAR, a CANDU reactor also normally releases over 20 times the amount of tritium to the environment (water and air) than a U.S. light water reactor.
Canada (Guidelines for Drinking Water Quality) has recently lowered the limit for tritium in drinking water from 40,000 becquerels per litre (Bq/L) to 7,000 Bq/L. In the U.S., the Environmental Protection Agency (EPA) sets a limit under the Safe Drinking Water Act of 740 Bq/L, almost 10 times as restrictive as Canada’s recently reduced limit."
More info here:
http://www.greenpeace.org/raw/content/canada/...
She doesn't care since the plants are in Canada (neither does Sen. Dumblim apparently)
More of your bullsyt, bluff & bluster.

Whole comment intended to detract & a red herring as it never has been & is not the issue here.

Also a non-issue b/c whether we or anyone purchase power from H-Q changes NOTHING! Gentilly 2 will be there regardless.

Tritium is also a non-issue & always has been, although it is undesirable consequence of fission process, it is & always has been the more hazardous forms of radioactive nuclear waste, all of which have been found in soil samples which prove it has been leaking, are present in the plume @ VY & have been leaking right along w/the tritium. Tritium is in greater amount & just moves faster, which is actually a good thing.

"Gentilly-2 is a standard CANDU 6 reactor, similar to the Point Lepreau Nuclear Generating Station.


----- The CANDU 6 is a successful reactor type, and has been exported to South Korea, Argentina, Romania and China. The plant has a net output of 675MW(e). Unlike the adjacent Gentilly-1 reactor, Gentilly-2 has had a good service record since start-up in 1982,-----

In the CANDU 6 design, there are special safety systems incorporated into every plant that perform no active function during the normal operation of the plant—they are there only for safety. The reactor cannot be operated without all of the special safety systems being available."
http://www.aecl.ca/Reactors/CANDU6/Systems/Sp...

“figuresdontlie*l iarscanfigure”

Since: Feb 10

S. Londonderry VT

#113 Oct 14, 2010
The Reformer litterbox wrote:
<quoted text>
Mike, you are smarter than this. I know you are. A PicoCurie is 1 trillionth of a Curie. To put the relative size of one trillionth into perspective, consider that if the Earth were reduced to one trillionth of its diameter, the “picoEarth” would be smaller in diameter than a speck of dust. In fact, it would be six times smaller than the thickness of a human hair. Picocurie = 1/1,000,000,000,000 (one trillionth) of a Curie. Courtesy of http://www.lrb.usace.army.mil/fusrap/docs/fus...
1 Curie = 2X the Federal Budget
1 PicoCurie = cost of a hamburger and a coke
Many thanks for identifying what you actually are w/your handle.'Tritim' is not the issue. That it is in a drinking he issue, so please, we are not as stupid as you think.

That it is in the aquifer & entered through a crack in the bedrock & has now been proven to be in water supply to drinking water wells is the issue. The amount immaterial so quit trying to make it something it isn't.

If was reported by Bill Irwin to be an unexpected occurance b/c he thought irt was moving toward the river.

'Unexpected'. Can we call this 'human error'? Also proves we do not know who or what to believe, but we do know this has been going on for years. Someone had to have known. We also know this: That Entergy/VY has many state regulators, agencies leading right to lapdog Douglas who are mere apologists for Entergy & employees who also run interference for all of the aforementioned & merely interested in their own interests not VT residents.
I Know More Than You

Swanzey, NH

#114 Oct 14, 2010
northstaridiot wrote:
More of your bullsyt, bluff & bluster.
I was merely doing YOUR research since you are incompetent.

Since you cannot find and/or understand the facts yourself, others must do it for you.

As usual, you are too prideful to admit your ignorance but your inability to provide any research to contradict mine indicates that, as always, I am right and you are wrong.

“figuresdontlie*l iarscanfigure”

Since: Feb 10

S. Londonderry VT

#115 Oct 14, 2010
I Know More Than You wrote:
<quoted text>
I was merely doing YOUR research since you are incompetent.
Since you cannot find and/or understand the facts yourself, others must do it for you.
As usual, you are too prideful to admit your ignorance but your inability to provide any research to contradict mine indicates that, as always, I am right and you are wrong.
I was merely doing YOUR research since you are incompetent.
Since you cannot find and/or understand the facts yourself, others must do it for you.
As usual, you are too prideful to admit your ignorance but your inability to provide any research to contradict mine indicates that, as always, I am right and you are wrong.
Its Safe

Southport, NC

#116 Oct 15, 2010
"It's absolutely stupid," "It devastated the community when they left. We lost a lot of jobs, the community lost a big tax base. It hurt."

http://www.chicagotribune.com/news/local/ct-x...
Reformer Litterbox

Dover, NH

#117 Oct 15, 2010
northstardust wrote:
<quoted text>
Many thanks for identifying what you actually are w/your handle.'Tritim' is not the issue. That it is in a drinking he issue, so please, we are not as stupid as you think.
That it is in the aquifer & entered through a crack in the bedrock & has now been proven to be in water supply to drinking water wells is the issue. The amount immaterial so quit trying to make it something it isn't.
If was reported by Bill Irwin to be an unexpected occurance b/c he thought irt was moving toward the river.
'Unexpected'. Can we call this 'human error'? Also proves we do not know who or what to believe, but we do know this has been going on for years. Someone had to have known. We also know this: That Entergy/VY has many state regulators, agencies leading right to lapdog Douglas who are mere apologists for Entergy & employees who also run interference for all of the aforementioned & merely interested in their own interests not VT residents.
Get a life please. Protest something more important like hydrofracking for natural gas. Tritium is nothing in comparison to the chemicals they are using.
Mike Mulligan

Boston, MA

#118 Oct 15, 2010
The Reformer litterbox wrote:
<quoted text>
Mike, you are smarter than this. I know you are. A PicoCurie is 1 trillionth of a Curie. To put the relative size of one trillionth into perspective, consider that if the Earth were reduced to one trillionth of its diameter, the “picoEarth” would be smaller in diameter than a speck of dust. In fact, it would be six times smaller than the thickness of a human hair. Picocurie = 1/1,000,000,000,000 (one trillionth) of a Curie. Courtesy of http://www.lrb.usace.army.mil/fusrap/docs/fus...
1 Curie = 2X the Federal Budget
1 PicoCurie = cost of a hamburger and a coke
"Mike, you are smarter than this. I know you are."

My wife and daughter would disagree with you.

This isn’t rocket science, what do you got a fifty foot piece of AOG piping. There is a tremendous amount of radioactivity going through that pipe in a year. If you don’t have the organization competence to keep that kind of pipe leak proof...have the fear in you with what the public reaction would be if it leaked for years...they should take the keys away from you with driving that reactor.
Hawkeye

Bennington, VT

#119 Oct 17, 2010
Its Safe wrote:
<quoted text>
How many pristine water basins do you want to destroy for your hydro power? Don't forget, Hydro Quebec ownas and operates a nuclear station too.
You made my point. For every energy source, hydro, wind, solar, biomass,coal, oil, natural gas there will be someone wanting to stop the project for some reason, NIMBY, environmental, secnic, locationetc., reason here in the U.S. Now Canada does not have as many of these problems as we do and their energy sources are SUBSIDIZED!
Here is what the rest of the world is doing in regards to nuclear:The International Atomic Energy Agency in its 2009 report significantly increased its projection of world nuclear generating capacity. It now anticipates at least 73 GWe in net new capacity by 2020, and then 511 to 807 GWe in place in 2030 - very much more than projected previously, and 37% to 116% more than the 327.5 GWe actually operating in 2009. OECD estimates range up to 680 GWe in 2030. The change is based on specific plans and actions in a number of countries, including China, India, Russia, Finland and France, coupled with the changed outlook due to the Kyoto Protocol. The IAEA projections would give nuclear power a 13.5 to 14.6% share in electricity production in 2020, and 12.6 to 15.9 % in 2030. The fastest growth is in Asia.
In Canada there are plans to build up to 3500 MWe of new capacity in Ontario, and proposals for similar capacity in Alberta and one large reactor in New Brunswick.
In Finland, construction is now under way on a fifth, very large reactor which will come on line in 2012, and plans are firming for another large one to follow it.
France is building a similar 1600 MWe unit at Flamanville, for operation from 2012, and a second is to follow it at Penly.
In the UK, four similar 1600 MWe units are planned for operation by 2019, and a further 6000 MWe is proposed.
Romania's second power reactor istarted up in 2007, and plans are being implemented for two further Canadian units to operate by 2017.
Slovakia is completing two 470 MWe units at Mochovce, to operate from 2011-12.
Bulgaria is planning to start building two 1000 MWe Russian reactors at Belene.
In Russia, ten large reactors are under active construction, one being a large fast neutron reactor. Seven further reactors are then planned to replace some existing plants, and by 2016 ten new reactors totalling at least 9.8 GWe should be operating. Further reactors are planned to add new capacity by 2020. This will increase the country's present 21.7 GWe nuclear power capacity to 43 GWe about 2020. In addition about 5 GW of nuclear thermal capacity is planned. A small floating power plant is expected to be completed by 2012 and others are planned to follow.
Poland is planning some nuclear power capacity, and may also join a project in Lithuania, with Estonia and Latvia.
Italy is planning to build substantial nuclear capacity and have 25% of its electricity from nuclear power by 2030, which will require 8 to 10 large new reactors by then.
South Korea plans to bring a further eight reactors into operation by 2016, giving total new capacity of 9200 MWe. Of the first six, now under construction, four are improved OPR-1000 designs. Then come Shin-Kori-3 & 4 and Shin-Ulchin 1&2, the first of the Advanced PWRs of 1400 MWe, to be in operation by 2016. These APR-1400 designs have evolved from a US design which has US NRC design certification, and have been known as the Korean Next-Generation Reactor. Four further APR-1400 units are planned, and the design has been sold to the UAE (see below).
Cont'd
Hawkeye

Bennington, VT

#120 Oct 17, 2010
South Korea plans to bring a further eight reactors into operation by 2016, giving total new capacity of 9200 MWe. Of the first six, now under construction, four are improved OPR-1000 designs. Then come Shin-Kori-3 & 4 and Shin-Ulchin 1&2, the first of the Advanced PWRs of 1400 MWe, to be in operation by 2016. These APR-1400 designs have evolved from a US design which has US NRC design certification, and have been known as the Korean Next-Generation Reactor. Four further APR-1400 units are planned, and the design has been sold to the UAE (see below).

Japan has two reactors under construction and another three likely to start building by mid 2011. It also has plans and, in most cases, designated sites and announced timetables for a further nine power reactors, totalling over 13,000 MWe which are expected to come on line by 2022.

In China, now with 13 operating reactors on the mainland, the country is well into the next phase of its nuclear power program. Some 23 reactors are under construction and ten more are likely to be so by the end of 2010. Those under construction include the world's first Westinghouse AP1000 units and a demonstration high-temperature gas-cooled reactor plant. Many more units are planned, with construction due to start within three years. But most capacity under construction will be the largely indigenous CPR-1000. China aims at least to quadruple its nuclear capacity from that operating and under construction by 2020.

On Taiwan, Taipower is building two advanced reactors (ABWR) at Lungmen.

India has 19 reactors in operation, and four under construction (two expected to be completed by 2010). This includes two large Russian reactors and a large prototype fast breeder reactor as part of its strategy to develop a fuel cycle which can utilise thorium. Twenty further units are planned. Ten further units are planned, and proposals for more - including western and Russian designs - are taking shape following the lifting of trade restrictions.

Pakistan has a second 300 MWe reactor under construction at Chasma, financed by China. There are plans for two more Chinese power reactors.

In Kazakhstan, a joint venture with Russia's Atomstroyexport envisages development and marketing of innovative small and medium-sized reactors, starting with a 300 MWe Russian design as baseline for Kazakh units.

In Iran nuclear power plant construction was suspended in 1979 but in 1995 Iran signed an agreement with Russia to complete a 1000 MWe PWR at Bushehr. Fuel is being loaded for late 2010 start-up.

The United Arab Emirates has awarded a $20.4 billion contract to a South Korean consortium to build four 1400 MWe reactors by 2020.

Jordan has committed plans for its first reactor to be operating by 2020, and is developing its legal and regulatory infrastructure.

Turkey has contracts signed for Russian nuclear plants at one site and is planning Soputh Korean units at another. Its legal and regulatory infrastructure is well-developed.

Vietnam has committed plans for its first reactors at two sites (2x2000 MWe), to be operating by 2020, and is developing its legal and regulatory infrastructure. The first plant will be a turnkey project built by Atomstroyexport.

Indonesia plans to construct 6000 MWe of nuclear power capacity by 2025.

Thailand plans to start constructing an initial nuclear power station in 2014.

Fuller details of all the above countries current without nuclear power are in country papers or the paper on Emerging Nuclear Energy Countries.
Hawkeye

Bennington, VT

#121 Oct 17, 2010
This was suppose to be the first part of the above post for some reason it did not go thru. Here is what the rest of the world is doing:
The International Atomic Energy Agency in its 2009 report significantly increased its projection of world nuclear generating capacity. It now anticipates at least 73 GWe in net new capacity by 2020, and then 511 to 807 GWe in place in 2030 - very much more than projected previously, and 37% to 116% more than the 327.5 GWe actually operating in 2009. OECD estimates range up to 680 GWe in 2030. The change is based on specific plans and actions in a number of countries, including China, India, Russia, Finland and France, coupled with the changed outlook due to the Kyoto Protocol. The IAEA projections would give nuclear power a 13.5 to 14.6% share in electricity production in 2020, and 12.6 to 15.9 % in 2030. The fastest growth is in Asia.
In Canada there are plans to build up to 3500 MWe of new capacity in Ontario, and proposals for similar capacity in Alberta and one large reactor in New Brunswick.
In Finland, construction is now under way on a fifth, very large reactor which will come on line in 2012, and plans are firming for another large one to follow it.
France is building a similar 1600 MWe unit at Flamanville, for operation from 2012, and a second is to follow it at Penly.
In the UK, four similar 1600 MWe units are planned for operation by 2019, and a further 6000 MWe is proposed.
Romania's second power reactor istarted up in 2007, and plans are being implemented for two further Canadian units to operate by 2017.
Slovakia is completing two 470 MWe units at Mochovce, to operate from 2011-12.
Bulgaria is planning to start building two 1000 MWe Russian reactors at Belene.
In Russia, ten large reactors are under active construction, one being a large fast neutron reactor. Seven further reactors are then planned to replace some existing plants, and by 2016 ten new reactors totalling at least 9.8 GWe should be operating. Further reactors are planned to add new capacity by 2020. This will increase the country's present 21.7 GWe nuclear power capacity to 43 GWe about 2020. In addition about 5 GW of nuclear thermal capacity is planned. A small floating power plant is expected to be completed by 2012 and others are planned to follow.
Poland is planning some nuclear power capacity, and may also join a project in Lithuania, with Estonia and Latvia.
Italy is planning to build substantial nuclear capacity and have 25% of its electricity from nuclear power by 2030, which will require 8 to 10 large new reactors by then.
Hawkeye

Bennington, VT

#122 Oct 17, 2010
Funny, will submit a post and then it does doesn't show up, then when I repost, it comes up as a duplicate. Interesting

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