VY still lobbies for new license

VY still lobbies for new license

There are 134 comments on the Brattleboro Reformer story from Oct 4, 2010, titled VY still lobbies for new license. In it, Brattleboro Reformer reports that:

Shot down once, the owners of the Vermont Yankee nuclear plant continue pushing for a second vote by state lawmakers for a license extension allowing it to stay open past 2012.

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“figuresdontlie*l iarscanfigure”

Since: Feb 10

S. Londonderry VT

#21 Oct 4, 2010
At some point after it closes the property would obviously be greatly devalued. The value of the property would still be assessed & on the Grand List. It is between 150-200 acres I think.

It will require some employees for many years. It will require 24/7 armed guards on the site as long as spent fuel is there.

Vernon is looking for different ways to tax it when it closes.

There has been talk of putting a new reactor there. I do not think the state gov't would be very cheerful about that or allow Entergy to run it.

The other npp owners are no better. All in a dead heat for which is worse.

From VT Digger:
“The minute they stop operating, and producing energy, the value of the plant goes down,” Courtemanche said.“The talk has been on the table of putting the plant into SAFSTOR, so a lot of it would still be there, but it’s not operating, so it’s not worth as much.”

In the absence of property taxes, there’s been talk about trying to tax the spent fuel.

“That stuff is valuable,”
link in story below

"The shutdown of Vermont Yankee seems inevitable. What then?"
http://vtdigger.org/2010/09/27/the-shutdown-o...

Will VY’s license expiration benefit local economy?
By Editor on September 28, 2010
By Jeff Potter
http://vtdigger.org/2010/09/28/will-vy%e2%80%...

Since: Jan 08

Location hidden

#22 Oct 4, 2010
mike mulligan wrote:
Maybe you should sue Entergy for 20 years of taxes....because they blew a wide open gate to get relicensed.
Sorry Mike, the responsibility for stopping VY lies with the legislature. The property taxes fall drastically and the income taxes stop completely the day that VY finishes operating, so any money the state and coucils want to spend is going to have to come from other pockets.

And the chance of getting other long-term business setting up in Vermont drops dramatically too, when they look at the intransigent way the state has behaved towards this enterprise. The persecution and differential treatment of this plant has been shameful to any neutral observer.

I'd hope that Entergy or whoever the owners are next year can find some resolution within the federal regulators to push through a reality-based assessment rather than the hysteria from the likes of Shumlin. The very least that the legislature owes VY is a re-vote based on their own report they didn't want to wait for last time - because it cuts the legs off Shumlin's lies.
mike mulligan

Boston, MA

#23 Oct 4, 2010
Northstardust,

You are just no better than Entergy with language gaming, the whole bunch of you are in the same boat with a basically the inability to express the full truth...there is going to be a tremendous amount of employees and innocent family members who are hurt...who are going to be hurt surrounding the closing events of VY.

SparkUp

Little Rock, AR

#24 Oct 4, 2010
Vernon Guy wrote:
I live in Vernon, and I hope and pray they CLOSE DOWN in 2012 or earlier. It's too dangerous now to run it. Too many problems and after talking with an ACTUAL employee of VY Vernon taxes wouldn't go up due to all the work they've done there. He even told me that workers there want PEOPLE TO BE AFRAID OF THE TAXES GOING UP SO THEY WILL SUPPORT VY EVEN THOUGH ITS NOT TRUE. I would like to vote for Dubie for Gov. but will not unless he closes VY.
Crack smoking is bad for the brain.
mike mulligan

Boston, MA

#25 Oct 4, 2010
Joffan wrote:
<quoted text>Sorry Mike, the responsibility for stopping VY lies with the legislature. The property taxes fall drastically and the income taxes stop completely the day that VY finishes operating, so any money the state and coucils want to spend is going to have to come from other pockets.
And the chance of getting other long-term business setting up in Vermont drops dramatically too, when they look at the intransigent way the state has behaved towards this enterprise. The persecution and differential treatment of this plant has been shameful to any neutral observer.
I'd hope that Entergy or whoever the owners are next year can find some resolution within the federal regulators to push through a reality-based assessment rather than the hysteria from the likes of Shumlin. The very least that the legislature owes VY is a re-vote based on their own report they didn't want to wait for last time - because it cuts the legs off Shumlin's lies.
And I frame it as our general electric utility failure to come up with a adequate carrying culture or ideology... to support nuclear power into the future. Matter of fact, I doubt the general electric utility carrying culture, ideology or politics can carry our nation into the future with supplying electricity that everyone can afford and is reliable.
mike mulligan

Boston, MA

#26 Oct 4, 2010
It is like our nation is in a large passenger aircraft at normal operating altitude...when our engines just quit. We are coasting at normal altitude with out electric utilities...and nobody notices the jet engines have quit.

The electric utilities business model is a utter and absolute failure without any hopes of carrying our nation forward.

“figuresdontlie*l iarscanfigure”

Since: Feb 10

S. Londonderry VT

#27 Oct 4, 2010
mike mulligan wrote:
Northstardust,
You are just no better than Entergy with language gaming, the whole bunch of you are in the same boat with a basically the inability to express the full truth...there is going to be a tremendous amount of employees and innocent family members who are hurt...who are going to be hurt surrounding the closing events of VY.
You of all people. You get attacked often. Yet you think nothing of attacking someone else.

I gave two links which deal with the economic problems it could cause. Did you read them? Digger was very balanced & extremely fair. They gave information from studies, an employee & the Vernon Town Manager. It did showed the impact & was not pretty.

Not gaming anything. Please read the information before freaking out. I know we do not agree on many things. I have have never attacked you over an opinion & have answered all your questions honestly.

You happen to be talking to someone who has gone through this many times & I am not alone. I survived. Nationwide jobless numbers are statistically @ 9.5%. It is double that. Many millions have lost their jobs. Entergy has said they would guarantee jobs w/in their fleet. Some are nearby. Most if not all employees w/their experience, licenses & work history would be able to stay in the area & still make a living making much more than most other VTers. Nationwide, almost al npps are hiring due to the aging of its workforce. Most blue or white collar workers do not have these options.

VY was scheduled to close a long time ago.

Entergy should not have given false hope to employees. They could have asked for a revote if the political landscape changes. If they had a shred of decency they would have accepted the vote if for no other reason than their employees would be able to plan. They didn't b/c many of their employees would have started looking elsewhere or left.

The employee in the story claims that VY only had 14 months of fuel for 20 months.
mike mulligan

Boston, MA

#28 Oct 4, 2010
It is a warning, what you are seeing is the dissolution of the utility business model...and the most complex component of the system is showing dissonance first.

We have just politicalized the grid to an extend never before thought possible!
mike mulligan

Boston, MA

#29 Oct 4, 2010
Joffan wrote:
<quoted text>Sorry Mike, the responsibility for stopping VY lies with the legislature.
You are blame shifting...the only captain of the ship was Entergy itself!

Thet are the one that had the most control over VY...paid the bills.
Glenn Bacala

Westbrook, ME

#30 Oct 4, 2010
Your phrase "A complete accounting is all but impossible, though: Vermont's campaign finance laws don't require political donors to identify their occupations, employers or political interests, so it's hard to identify all the money being donated to campaigns by the nuclear plant's employees, contractors or executives. " Why is it everything you print has a negative bias towards VY? Are you trying to insinuate that I should report any political contributions I might have made? I wish you at the reformer or should I say "Mis-informer" would simply report facts and not hear say. Are you afraid of straight foward facts?
Glenn Bacala

Westbrook, ME

#31 Oct 4, 2010
Northstar,
Who are you? Why don't you use your real name as I do? Are you afraid, ashamed or simply embarassed to do so? Also I quite frankly do not believe your reporting of a VY employee who stated the plant only has 14 months of fuel. I am a licensed Senior Reactor Operator at the plant and I was also one of the SRO's in charge of core alterations (refueling)this past outage. Anyone who was on site had access to a multitude of cameras during the outage and could see fuel moves. Please don't post things like "I heard from a friend" come on that didn't work in third grade. Please stick with facts!
The Reformer litterbox

Dover, NH

#32 Oct 4, 2010
This paper is like a car accident, you know it's bad but you cannot help but look at it.
I Know More Than You

Swanzey, NH

#33 Oct 4, 2010
northstaridiot wrote:
The employee in the story claims that VY only had 14 months of fuel for 20 months.
Once again, your ignorance comes shining through. VY has never loaded enough fuel to run for ~2 years. If you look at their outage dates, they alternate spring and fall. So if they started up in ~June 2010, they will run until ~Oct 2011.

How much fuel they will load in Sept 2011 is anyone's guess at this point.

“figuresdontlie*l iarscanfigure”

Since: Feb 10

S. Londonderry VT

#34 Oct 4, 2010
Glenn Bacala wrote:
Northstar,
Who are you? Why don't you use your real name as I do? Are you afraid, ashamed or simply embarassed to do so? Also I quite frankly do not believe your reporting of a VY employee who stated the plant only has 14 months of fuel. I am a licensed Senior Reactor Operator at the plant and I was also one of the SRO's in charge of core alterations (refueling)this past outage. Anyone who was on site had access to a multitude of cameras during the outage and could see fuel moves. Please don't post things like "I heard from a friend" come on that didn't work in third grade. Please stick with facts!
Asking for name is the same as asking for personal information. Anyone who would repeatedly preesure & taunt anyone to do this is most up to no good. There is no difference. Would you pressure your wife or children to do this, esp if female?

There is an active attempt from VY & pronuclear activists to get my name. Hmm. I wonder why.

No one else is continually pressured to do this.

It works both ways. There is no proof this is your real name. I could give the name of an enemy or a plant employee. This would endanger someone else or their information, however I would still be firewalled.

“figuresdontlie*l iarscanfigure”

Since: Feb 10

S. Londonderry VT

#35 Oct 4, 2010
I Know More Than You wrote:
<quoted text>
Once again, your ignorance comes shining through. VY has never loaded enough fuel to run for ~2 years. If you look at their outage dates, they alternate spring and fall. So if they started up in ~June 2010, they will run until ~Oct 2011.
How much fuel they will load in Sept 2011 is anyone's guess at this point.
Follow it from jumpstreet or bring your own sources. I gave a link. Anyone can read it.
http://vtdigger.org/2010/09/27/the-shutdown-o...
The Reformer litterbox

Dover, NH

#36 Oct 4, 2010
I take exception to the fact that the public believes this plant is not safe, operationally or radiologically. I have been a Radiation Protection technician for 15 years, six of which has been here at Vermont Yankee. Everyday I see all of my co-workers doing everything they can to first protect the public and second protect the plant. Public safety is at the forefront of the Entergy business model weather you choose to believe it or not. Entergy has been a very good company to work for and all the people, from the CEOs down, are good people. They care about the enviroment, the public, and their workers. I came from an area that houses three nuclear reactors. The public is in full support of them continuing to operate for as long as they want. They know the federal government regulates them on a continual basis. Maybe it is because they once had a learning center and people chose to become educated on the facts of nuclear fission, I don't know. What I do know is that this state has disgraced themselves in regards to supporting the promotion of business. Why is it that people do not care about unregulated business? The fact that natural gas drilling is contaminating peoples drinking water to the point of being fatal does not cross anyones mind. The fact is that just in the recent past there has been 2 oil rig explosions (30 something killed), 1 pipeline leak in Michigan, 2 natural gas explosions (20 something killed), 2 coal mine collapses (who knows how many killed), and 1 coal mine with people stranded 2000 feet underground for 4 months. Does this not make you people think? There has not been a nuclear accident in this country that has killed anybody for 35+ years. There has been more accidents at the screwy intersection in Brattleboro than there has been at VY. Like I said, maybe it is because I grew up around nuclear power, but you people need to be ashamed of yourselves for your ignorance. Try learning something before spouting off at the mouth. Weather Mike Mulligan has a sore spot with Entergy or not, at least he is educated enough to know how safe, clean and reliable nuclear power really is. Blogs like the one from the Vernon guy really show how seperated some people are from reality. There are people who still think this country has a money tree in the whitehouse backyard. Montpeliers money tree has shed all of it's leaves and now you people want to chop it down completely. I just don't get it.
I Know More Than You

Swanzey, NH

#37 Oct 4, 2010
northstaridiot wrote:
<quoted text>
Follow it from jumpstreet or bring your own sources. I gave a link. Anyone can read it.
http://vtdigger.org/2010/09/27/the-shutdown-o...
I am not doubting what Mr. Olson said since I read the article last month. I am doubting your intelligence since, as I stated before, VY never loads that much fuel and yet you quote it like it has some importance.

Go back to your bong dummy.

“figuresdontlie*l iarscanfigure”

Since: Feb 10

S. Londonderry VT

#38 Oct 4, 2010
I Know More Than You wrote:
<quoted text>
I am not doubting what Mr. Olson said since I read the article last month. I am doubting your intelligence since, as I stated before, VY never loads that much fuel and yet you quote it like it has some importance.
Go back to your bong dummy.
You have proved you do not & never have known what you are talking about, over & over again. Too lazy to find out & must rely on info from other sources. If you knew as much as you claim to, you would not need sources, info & links. You don't. This is proof & a distinct pattern.

If that were the case you would have said so. Nice dodge.

If he, a VY employee did not consider it 'of some importance' he would never have made the comment. Busted. Again.
Vernon Guy

Brattleboro, VT

#39 Oct 4, 2010
Truthtalker wrote:
<quoted text>
No way you live in Vernon. Taxes in Vernon will go through the roof. And real estate values will tank. And they will in Bratttleboro too.
I've lived my whole life in Vernon in walking distanced from the rec. center. I was here before the plant was put in. Real estate has already tanked in Vernon. Years ago I saw a dumpy house in Vernon hit the market and it was gone in less then a month. Now theres ton's of houses in Vernon forsale. Thanks to the new power lines put in the taxes won't go thru the roof.
Jeff

Brattleboro, VT

#40 Oct 4, 2010
I heard Mike Ball ( a VY employee ) telling someone at the Vernon Store personally that taxes in Vernon won't go up if VY closes. Vernon guy was right on that. I've worked there in the past. Was good money, feed me and my family well. But there comes a time to close it. That someday is soon. Sorry about the jobs, but there are others. Sorry about the real estate. But there overpriced anyway.

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