4 city representatives fear loss of f...

4 city representatives fear loss of federal cash

There are 195 comments on the El Paso Times story from Jan 13, 2009, titled 4 city representatives fear loss of federal cash. In it, El Paso Times reports that:

City reps. Eddie Holguin, Steve Ortega and Beto O'Rourke listen to public comments Tuesday on the discussion over the mayor's veto on a request by the City Council for a federal debate on the legalization on ...

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John Thomas

Salinas, CA

#23 Jan 14, 2009
As far as I'm concerned, people who think it is a good idea to squelch discussion aren't really Americans. They relinquished their citizenship in the land of liberty by endorsing this stomping of free speech.
Amazed

United States

#24 Jan 14, 2009
John Thomas wrote:
As far as I'm concerned, people who think it is a good idea to squelch discussion aren't really Americans. They relinquished their citizenship in the land of liberty by endorsing this stomping of free speech.
I won't get involved in the debate about legalizing drugs, as I can see both sides.

Reyes is just trying to tell the City Council that it must set priorities & focus on the critical issues that are facing Americans today. The state of the economy should be the main focus of all elected officials!
John Thomas

Salinas, CA

#25 Jan 14, 2009
The monstrously destructive, counter-productive fraud of marijuana prohibition is causing a melt-down of Mexico the border, and increasing points north. There is NO bigger priority. ---- To say the economy will suffer because of a discussion is not only preposterous, it is a transparent attempt to prevent free speech.
Scott

Arlington, TX

#26 Jan 14, 2009
You want to put the cartels out of business TOMORROW? Legalize marijuana and put it under the existing licensing scheme of alcohol (must be 21, must show ID, stiff penalties for driving under the influence, etc). License companies to grow, process, and sell it thus ensuring a chemically pure ("safe") product that is of consistent manufacturing quality.

Do this, and the cartels will disappear because noone will buy their unknown product when there is a reliable regulated one available.
Scott

Arlington, TX

#27 Jan 14, 2009
Amazed wrote:
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I won't get involved in the debate about legalizing drugs, as I can see both sides.
Reyes is just trying to tell the City Council that it must set priorities & focus on the critical issues that are facing Americans today. The state of the economy should be the main focus of all elected officials!
So....1600+ drug related murders less than a mile south is not an issue that affects the city?

What Reyes has done is ensured that a major metropolitan area will not discuss the issue of drug trafficking and it's related causes.

Ask yourself this question: Why use the threat of funding to stop the debate? Being that he is former border patrol, he could have instead offered "expert testimony" as to harms, risks, etc. He did not do so.
Aldo

San Antonio, TX

#28 Jan 14, 2009
I completely agree with scott. And to all the people who think that legalization is the end of the world, you guys you all need to just pull the sticks out of you asses. Legal or illegal your kids are going to be exposed to almost every drug out there because of the massive availability of drugs in this city. And as far as the "federal funding" goes, where does that money go? Cops can't keep up with all the shady drug dealers even with all the federal fuding we have now. And we wont lose that money anyway since we've got fort bliss.
Mike

El Paso, TX

#29 Jan 14, 2009
This is another example of how our leaders can get elected by just repeating change change change. People don't hear the substance they only feel the emotion. Debating the legalization of drugs at this level is about as productive as debating it a Billy's Bar and Burger joint.

It has no effect other than to create public sentiment from potheads. It is a old argument that has been debated for years. We are a nation of laws and laws at city, county, state and the Federal Government where one does not supersede the other. The law at the Federal level is that certain drugs are illegal and that is the law of the land.

You want to change the law, write you congressman don't use your 15 minutes of fame to propel your own political career to morons who vote for change.

In the mean time keep your debate to your local pub and quit pitting on the grave of our brave men and women who have giving their lives to our children safe from the scourge of drugs.
Amazed

United States

#30 Jan 14, 2009
Scott wrote:
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So....1600+ drug related murders less than a mile south is not an issue that affects the city?
What Reyes has done is ensured that a major metropolitan area will not discuss the issue of drug trafficking and it's related causes.
Ask yourself this question: Why use the threat of funding to stop the debate? Being that he is former border patrol, he could have instead offered "expert testimony" as to harms, risks, etc. He did not do so.
Once again, Reyes was using a tactic that is often used on children. As our City Council acts like a bunch of immature children, his tactic is a good one!
hog wash

El Paso, TX

#31 Jan 14, 2009
Scott wrote:
You want to put the cartels out of business TOMORROW? Legalize marijuana and put it under the existing licensing scheme of alcohol (must be 21, must show ID, stiff penalties for driving under the influence, etc). License companies to grow, process, and sell it thus ensuring a chemically pure ("safe") product that is of consistent manufacturing quality.
Do this, and the cartels will disappear because noone will buy their unknown product when there is a reliable regulated one available.
In case you stupid drug proponents do not realize it there is still a large amount of bootleg booze being made while the "pure and safe" versions are readily available. Methamphetamine is a prescription drug that is still being produced in kitchens across the country.
Legalization of alcohol did not stop it's destruction of families, and alcoholism eats at the Federal and the local budgets like a cancer from the people who have drank their livers to a pulp and are on dialysis, social security and medicaid at the age of 35. And ask if all the laws against underage drinking and drunk driving have stopped people from being killed on our streets.

You can legalize all the harmful drugs alcohol and such and it will only stop being illegal. it will still be used and it will be purchased where it is the cheapest! Mexico knows that. A person high on pot is just as dangerous behind the wheel as someone drunk on whisky and just as likely to kill you in an accident. Other drugs are far more serious and dangerous but where are you going to draw the line. Cannabis is ok but Rohypnol is not? Cocaine is fine but crack is not? Before you go legalizing it all better get YOUR HEADS out of your 4th point of contact amd what will be the punishment for killing someone while under the influence. Then figure out how much the new prisons will cost the taxpayers to house all the new prisoners.
Scott

Arlington, TX

#32 Jan 14, 2009
hog wash wrote:
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In case you stupid drug proponents do not realize it there is still a large amount of bootleg booze being made while the "pure and safe" versions are readily available. Snip...
Short answer: You're dangerously uninformed. And probably a DARE graduate....which would explain the former.

Still a "large amount of bootleg booze" still made....in limited areas of Kentucky and Appalachia. Since you're so up on the subject, how much in volume is made and consumed illegally versus legally?

The point is you're not going to cite an outlier (such as the hicks of appalachia) as a rule. It's called logic....it will help ya!

It is not the perview of the Federal government to "stop the destruction of families." How many of these said 35 year old dialisys social security getting people are there? What is the societal cost? How much are they costing social security for treatment etc? Can you even name ONE that isn't related to you? I suspect you are pulling things out of your a$$. Again.
Either offer some statistics and an argument, or shut up.

Someone high on pot behind the wheel is just as dangerous as someone drunk?? LOL. HAHAHAHA!!!
Friend, I invite you to go research the effects of pot versus alcohol. I also invite you to go read the National Highway Safety Council's report on impaired driving from 1999. The two do NOT affect people the same way and that is evident in the way they drive (hint: With one, people tend to go really really really fast.....and with the other people tend to go really really really slow. You figure it out).
Scott

Arlington, TX

#33 Jan 14, 2009
Amazed wrote:
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Once again, Reyes was using a tactic that is often used on children. As our City Council acts like a bunch of immature children, his tactic is a good one!
A veiled threat of "keep talking like this and you'll lose your Federal funds" would get the attention of any government entity (See: The 21 drinking age).

Of course with this being a city matter, you haven't yet said why Reyes would even care to get involved.
John Thomas

Salinas, CA

#34 Jan 14, 2009
Scott

>>>"Why use the threat of funding to stop the debate?"

Yes. Anytime you see someone swatting flies with a sledge hammer, you need to take a much closer look. The corruption is not just south of the border.

Mike

>>>"Debating the legalization of drugs at this level is about as productive as debating it a Billy's Bar and Burger joint."

Baloney. It is the most needed discussion in the country. Even more so in El Paso, where the fraud of marijuana prohibition is destabilizing not only Mexico, but now spreading into the U.S.

>>>"It has no effect other than to create public sentiment from potheads."

That's a dead give-away of motivation by prejudice. The 50 million cannabis consumers are not "potheads." They are good American citizens. And it is this country's great shame they have been persecuted for so long.

>>>"The law at the Federal level is that certain drugs are illegal and that is the law of the land."

So was slavery. That's a bogus argument.

>>>"You want to change the law, write you congressman"

You want to change the law, do everything it takes. Geesh. What facsism. Don't dictate methods to others.

>>>"In the mean time keep your debate to your local pub and quit pitting on the grave of our brave men and women who have giving their lives to our children safe from the scourge of drugs."

Even if their efforts were misguided and counter-productive? No thanks.

The discussion will take place now. With or without E.P. city council, the mayor, or anyone else.
Was O Rourke supporter

Austin, TX

#35 Jan 14, 2009
Donít we have enough problems with drunks on the roads killing people? Make it legal for the potheads to get good and stupid and just watch things like domestic violence, traffic accidents and deaths go up and the general quality of life hit the toilet.
TheTRUTHBOUTMEXI CO

Moulton, TX

#36 Jan 14, 2009
On another page, one person asked, "Why dont cartels smuggle liquor??" Good question? The answer is "THERE IS NO MONEY IN IT"!!!! Get that thru your thick ingornant heads! Take the money away and it goes away! But so many of you have been brainwashed by our Govt and dont know the facts. You believe everything the Govt says, Ex>>> Bush and WMD's, Look at the mess we are in now!!! Thanks Mr Bush, Good thing McCain didnt follow in your foot steps!
John Q

Pittsburgh, PA

#37 Jan 14, 2009
Is Reyes' daughter still employed by that company that manufactures and installs border surveillance equipment?? If so, there is a blatant conflict-of-interest and his remarks should be taken with a huge grain of salt.
RocketScientist

United States

#38 Jan 14, 2009
Reyes is a fat pig that knows nothing. Beto for congress 2010!
John Thomas

Salinas, CA

#39 Jan 14, 2009
Marijuana is not alcohol. It is not a significant cause of traffic accidents.
Scott

Arlington, TX

#40 Jan 14, 2009
Was O Rourke supporter wrote:
Donít we have enough problems with drunks on the roads killing people? Make it legal for the potheads to get good and stupid and just watch things like domestic violence, traffic accidents and deaths go up and the general quality of life hit the toilet.
You know absolutely nothing about THC and it's effects on the human body.
Amazed

United States

#41 Jan 14, 2009
Scott wrote:
<quoted text>
A veiled threat of "keep talking like this and you'll lose your Federal funds" would get the attention of any government entity (See: The 21 drinking age).
Of course with this being a city matter, you haven't yet said why Reyes would even care to get involved.
Duh! Go back & do your research. Not rocket science to figure out why Reyes is involved.
Colleen McCool

Gatesville, TX

#42 Jan 14, 2009
The Feds know all the facts and science show drug abuse is a health issue not a criminal one. They can not win in an open truthful discussion so they refuse to talk about it.

Corruption is rampant, official lawlessness rules as it did during alcohol prohibition. On the 75th Anniversary of the repeal of alcohol prohibition recently, Law Enforcement Against Prohibition has kicked off the 'We Can Do It Again' project, calling for an end to drug prohibition.
http://www.WeCanDoItAgain.com

Stop drug war violence! Legalizing and regulating drug distribution would immediately cut off the major source of funding for terrorists worldwide and could increase our tax base. Restore justice in America; construct science based drug policies about saving and rehabilitating instead of ruining
lives.

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