Firearms in Mexico have ties to El Paso

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The recent sentencing of two men convicted of federal arms-trafficking charges represents the latest cases with ties to El Paso investigated by the Bureau of Alcohol, Tobacco, Firearms and Explosives.

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#22
Dec 14, 2008
 
Joe wrote:
I don't know how many of you remember a few years ago when it was advised not to have an NRA bumper sticker or indication you might own weapons because the Mexicans were looking for those cars in front of homes they would burglarize to find the guns.
Do you know which country exports the most weapons in the world? Do some research or e-mail Louie from Georgia to find out. Don't be clueless all your life.
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Dec 14, 2008
 
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Do you know which country exports the most weapons in the world? Do some research or e-mail Louie from Georgia to find out. Don't be clueless all your life.
The country that has the world's largest gun exporting business is the USA. Of course. It's a huge money making industry that provides jobs, pays taxes, enhances family values and most importantly keeps the well heeled NRA financially sound. Trickling economy in action.

It keeps the ATF busy, apprehending, confiscating, arresting and charging violators. It creates the construction industry by building penitentiaries, security systems, hiring prison guards, cooks and arming and dressing those same guards, etc.
Trickle down economy in action.

One would call it a beautifully laid system through the creation of all around employment opportunities were it not for the deadly consequences. But that, too, creates job security for embalmers, funeral arrangers, auto industry (funeral limos, hearsts).

Trickling economics in action.
Why would we want to change the system? We would be naive to expect the arms industry to self-regulate themselves. That would upset the economic trickle down concept.

Arms are bought easily, quickly and with least inconvenience. Arms pass to Mexico because, in spite of the Law, Mexican oficiales don't inspect vehicles with the diligence required by Mexican Law.
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Dec 14, 2008
 
NoPoOr wrote:
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The country that has the world's largest gun exporting business is the USA. Of course. It's a huge money making industry that provides jobs, pays taxes, enhances family values and most importantly keeps the well heeled NRA financially sound. Trickling economy in action.
It keeps the ATF busy, apprehending, confiscating, arresting and charging violators. It creates the construction industry by building penitentiaries, security systems, hiring prison guards, cooks and arming and dressing those same guards, etc.
Trickle down economy in action.
One would call it a beautifully laid system through the creation of all around employment opportunities were it not for the deadly consequences. But that, too, creates job security for embalmers, funeral arrangers, auto industry (funeral limos, hearsts).
Trickling economics in action.
Why would we want to change the system? We would be naive to expect the arms industry to self-regulate themselves. That would upset the economic trickle down concept.
Arms are bought easily, quickly and with least inconvenience. Arms pass to Mexico because, in spite of the Law, Mexican oficiales don't inspect vehicles with the diligence required by Mexican Law.
Arms pass to Mexico because, in spite of the law, American gun stores will sell to anyone, if the price is right. The NRA is just a bunch of murderers, and family values is something they know nothing of. And which country imports the most illegal drugs? How about the trickle down economy of that? Too bad it's the children of America and Mexico that suffer in the end, while the real criminals, the people who support the unwinnable war on drugs, the judges, lawyers, politicians, etc. all get richer. Want real change in America, legalize drugs and outlaw guns. Bet that won't happen anytime soon. Like you said, the NRA is a well heeled group, and they have a lot of politicians in their pockets.
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#25
Dec 14, 2008
 
Does NoPoOr know what he's talking about?

Alberto Gonzalez is on record as wanting to seize weapons in private hands.

Go look up it at Gun Owners of America.

Gee, imagine that.

The offspring of illegal aliens wanting to seize weapons.
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#26
Dec 14, 2008
 
The war along the border in Mexico is as worse as Iraq in many ways, yet as a country, we refuse to adequately stabilize our border against the Mexican threat. The Border Patrol try but are out numbered. Time to build the fence, back the fence with military if necessary (just like in previous times), time to come down hard on drug dealers and users in this country for helping finance the drug dealers, and time to hold those that sell guns responsible for where their guns end up. I know - we can't do any of those things because it would be so unfair to the drug dealers, drug users and gun sellers. So in trying to be so fair, our kids are turning into druggies, our country is over run by criminals and gang menbers and guns are beginning to destroy the world.
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#28
Dec 14, 2008
 
Cheneys_Ego wrote:
Does NoPoOr know what he's talking about?
Alberto Gonzalez is on record as wanting to seize weapons in private hands.
Go look up it at Gun Owners of America.
Gee, imagine that.
The offspring of illegal aliens wanting to seize weapons.
The point that was made was this. The USA exports more guns than any country in the world...to any nation including Mexico. Gun dealers make huge amounts inspite of the chaos that the cartel are causing.
The 'trickle down' economic factor was said tongue in cheek although much of it is true. Those industries mentioned make money off the other.

Illegal aliens are not the only ones who possess arms. Arms possession crosses the racial/illegal/legal status. Money is the driving force behind gun sales..legal or illegal. And, yes, trickle down economics come into play.

And what has Alberto Gonzalez got to do with this? He has gone down with the Sheriff of the Town who was after all just a serf/minion for the Top Cowboy.
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Dec 14, 2008
 
The Mexican army recently went to a 6.8 caliber rifle. It is the FX-05 made in Mexico. Most of the old H&K G-3's are being sold on the black market.
Latin America is full of military grade weapons we distributed to "friendly" nations during the cold war.

Hugo Chavez of Venezuela has recently purchased 200,000 AK-47's.

Anyone that knows about firearms knows that the .50 Cal. is sexy but useless unless used from a fixed position.The real work horses are the AR-15 and the AK-47.

The number of fire arms that get into Mexico from the USA is miniscule compared to other sources.

Smuggling into Mexico from China and the middle east is rampant. Everything from phony Marlboroughs, phony Barbie dolls to firearms is routinally smuggled into Mexico thrtough its vast coast lies and open borders.

For a coupleof hundred bucks one can bribe most Mexican customs officials.

Only fools and novices try to smuggle firearms into Mexico from the U.S.

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Dec 14, 2008
 
Joseph wrote:
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Wow Joe you try every subject. And you always get your a/ss handed to you.
Read for comprehension dumbass, did I mention which country? I said do the research crap for brains.
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Dec 14, 2008
 
DEFENDER wrote:
The Mexican army recently went to a 6.8 caliber rifle. It is the FX-05 made in Mexico. Most of the old H&K G-3's are being sold on the black market.
Latin America is full of military grade weapons we distributed to "friendly" nations during the cold war.
Hugo Chavez of Venezuela has recently purchased 200,000 AK-47's.
Anyone that knows about firearms knows that the .50 Cal. is sexy but useless unless used from a fixed position.The real work horses are the AR-15 and the AK-47.
The number of fire arms that get into Mexico from the USA is miniscule compared to other sources.
Smuggling into Mexico from China and the middle east is rampant. Everything from phony Marlboroughs, phony Barbie dolls to firearms is routinally smuggled into Mexico thrtough its vast coast lies and open borders.
For a coupleof hundred bucks one can bribe most Mexican customs officials.
Only fools and novices try to smuggle firearms into Mexico from the U.S.
You left out the countries that used to be part of the USSR. There are weapons just a little bit more destructive that rifles missing from their inventory.
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#32
Dec 15, 2008
 
Instead of just reporting what the authorities tell you to print you should investigate where these guns are actually coming from. Most of the fully automatic AK's and the majority of the ammo is being distributed from Colombia. The Obregon's are manufactured in Mexico. Most of the illegal AK's in the US passed through Mexico first. Argentina manufactured firearms that are still turning up in quantity. The feds know this but for some reason are trying to blame the US for the guns in Mexico when the opposite is true. Surveillance pilot
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#33
Dec 15, 2008
 
The El Paso Times has lost their freakin minds! Are there no better stories for you people to write about? How about this "U. S. currency in Mexico has ties to the United States". It is all the fault of the United States, Everything points back to the filthy americans! Why don't you write on all the free handouts to all of these illegal ba&%^#@s that leach off of our system, tell about how our Welfare and WIC programs help so many of those thieving mojados that come to this country with ill-gotten intentions and still claim how great Mexico is, if that is the case why in their great country not helping them? I am sick and tired of these free riding good-for-nothing baby-making illegals being told they qualify for benefits in my country.

Write a front page story on that EP Times!
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Dec 17, 2008
 
NoPoOr wrote:
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The country that has the world's largest gun exporting business is the USA. Of course. It's a huge money making industry that provides jobs, pays taxes, enhances family values and most importantly keeps the well heeled NRA financially sound. Trickling economy in action.
It keeps the ATF busy, apprehending, confiscating, arresting and charging violators. It creates the construction industry by building penitentiaries, security systems, hiring prison guards, cooks and arming and dressing those same guards, etc.
Trickle down economy in action.
One would call it a beautifully laid system through the creation of all around employment opportunities were it not for the deadly consequences. But that, too, creates job security for embalmers, funeral arrangers, auto industry (funeral limos, hearsts).
Trickling economics in action.
Why would we want to change the system? We would be naive to expect the arms industry to self-regulate themselves. That would upset the economic trickle down concept.
Arms are bought easily, quickly and with least inconvenience. Arms pass to Mexico because, in spite of the Law, Mexican oficiales don't inspect vehicles with the diligence required by Mexican Law.
the most exported weapon in the world is the AK47
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#35
Dec 17, 2008
 
Donkey wrote:
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You and spASS need to be part of the Obama cabinet. You guys are freaking brillant. While you are at it take Louie from Georgia. They must feed all you guys the same food that makes you so smart.
Sorry Jackass I cant. As I told Obama ive got a conscience.
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#36
Jan 11, 2009
 
We read this article while travelling in the US into Mexico. We are from Australia and haven't known the fine detail of this issue except the latest horrific news of the latest victims of the drug wars battle in Mexico. However, having now seen the US and Mexico for ourselves, the root problem is stark to us as outsiders: the US is blind to its under class and so doesn't provide properly for their needs. People then take drugs as a medicinal aid to help block out the pain of life. US doesn't give the Mexicans any real $ for their legal produce so they are forced to get creative and grow 'the crop that pays' as they call it in the Sierra Madre. Washington stupidly kowtows to the Second Amendment 'freedom' defenders and so the whole place is gun happy.(Has anyone read the drivel the NFA puts out via its newsletters?) The mix of all this is dynamite - literally, in the form of ammo and death and mayhem - and it's right on El Paso's doorstop. Unless someone - Obama???- does something drastic to fix these problems, they are just gonna get worse and the US is gonna keep going down the shoot as a civilised first-world nation.

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