Firearms in Mexico have ties to El Paso

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The recent sentencing of two men convicted of federal arms-trafficking charges represents the latest cases with ties to El Paso investigated by the Bureau of Alcohol, Tobacco, Firearms and Explosives.

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spazz

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Dec 13, 2008
 
This all points to a need to legalize weapons and ammunition in Mexico. There's a need that is being fulfilled. Fences won't stop weapons if the users want weapons.
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Dec 14, 2008
 
Perhaps Mexico should build a wall or fence to keep illegal items out of the country.
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Dec 14, 2008
 
DanG wrote:
Perhaps Mexico should build a wall or fence to keep illegal items out of the country.
I agree
leo from shanghai

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#4
Dec 14, 2008
 
real headline should read: DRUGS AND ILLEGAL ALIENS HAVE TIES TO MEXICO!
Dumbing us down

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#5
Dec 14, 2008
 
Amazing! EPT did it again with such wonderful titles. I think the only one that could match such insightful analysis would be "Mexicans have ties with Mexico; Americans have ties with America". This paper is a heavy contributor to the dumbing down of our community.
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#6
Dec 14, 2008
 
Do licensed gun dealers sell bazookas and anti-tank weapons?

No, of course not.

More grandstanding on the part of the Bush administration.

Seal the border.

problem solved.
just me

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Dec 14, 2008
 
Mexican officials have complained that many of the estimated 5,000 victims of Mexico's drug wars, including 450 to 500 law enforcement officers and soldiers, were killed with weapons smuggled from the United States.

Of course Mexican official will blame everything on the U.S." We have a problem with the cartels because all the drug demand that originates in the U.S"( They forgot about the fact that there are millions of drug addicts in their own country).They have also forgat that there are thousands of corrupt public servants in their own back yard.
Sickness In America

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Dec 14, 2008
 
Yea, like anybody needs a 50 cal sniper rifle to hunt for dove. Ha Ha Ha. The gun dealers that sell these high powered weapons know that many go across the border and are used to murder innocent people. Profit Baby - that is all that matters in the good ole U S of A.

Then, who is buying all these drugs that come across our border? Could it be Americans??? Everybody is against terrorists but nobody thinks that buying drugs supports terrorists - and many good people die because you want a snot or puff to get high. How sick we are.
Naciso

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Dec 14, 2008
 
"Mexican officials have complained that many of the estimated 5,000 victims of Mexico's drug wars, including 450 to 500 law enforcement officers and soldiers, were killed with weapons smuggled from the United States"

What a freaking coincidence because many of Americas drugs that poison our citizens and ruin our families originate in Mexico and many Americans killed are murdered by Mexicans smuggled from Mexico. There is obviously such a high demand for these weapons in Mexico so (using the Mexico's stupid,immature, illogical thinking)it's Mexico's fault that this problem exists.
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Dec 14, 2008
 
Sickness In America wrote:
Yea, like anybody needs a 50 cal sniper rifle to hunt for dove. Ha Ha Ha. The gun dealers that sell these high powered weapons know that many go across the border and are used to murder innocent people. Profit Baby - that is all that matters in the good ole U S of A.
Then, who is buying all these drugs that come across our border? Could it be Americans??? Everybody is against terrorists but nobody thinks that buying drugs supports terrorists - and many good people die because you want a snot or puff to get high. How sick we are.
If you really believe that Americans are hurting your country then you would want a fence. Like others said, keep drugs from going to the USA, weapons going into Mexico. We should have a border.

Otherwise, the "where there's a demand" argument works both ways, if Mexicans weren't buying up guns then Americans wouldn't supply them.
Denial

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Dec 14, 2008
 
Sickness In America wrote:
Then, who is buying all these drugs that come across our border? Could it be Americans??? Everybody is against terrorists but nobody thinks that buying drugs supports terrorists - and many good people die because you want a snot or puff to get high. How sick we are.
i'll dumb it down for you, because apparently your ignorant.

the problem isn't the "Bad Americans" buying the drugs. The problem is PEOPLE buying the drugs. if you don't think drug use in juarez and in mexico is as rampant as it is in the united states, your in denial. why don't you take a walk downtown. ayi por la miguel ahumada y insurgentes. o porque no te vas a la mulata o al hardpop, pa ke veas las tachitas en accion. its easy to blame someone else without looking at ourselves first and it solves nothing.
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Dec 14, 2008
 
And the prices that the cartels, gangs can and do pay for these weapons is far beyond any actual "store" price. You go to the gun shows and see Mexican license plates, How strange is that?? You go to any of the stores that sell guns and "you" see some real "nasty" looking characters shopping and buying guns. Don't think most of these stores would do an illegal sell, but how about the person buying the gun?? Many of these seem to be late night, just before closing. Are the guns going to Mexico??? They can hide dope coming into the U.S. Why would anyone think they can't/don't hide guns and money going South. The Mexicans "profile people". They know who to check and also who they probably best not check. The U.S. needs permanent South-Bound stations, manned by CBP, Border Patrol, ATF and El Paso County Sheriffs. If they are serious about gun enforcement going South, then they need to get serious.
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Dec 14, 2008
 
just me wrote:
Mexican officials have complained that many of the estimated 5,000 victims of Mexico's drug wars, including 450 to 500 law enforcement officers and soldiers, were killed with weapons smuggled from the United States.
Of course Mexican official will blame everything on the U.S." We have a problem with the cartels because all the drug demand that originates in the U.S"( They forgot about the fact that there are millions of drug addicts in their own country).They have also forgat that there are thousands of corrupt public servants in their own back yard.
Mexican authorities are aware of the huge corruption problem. After 70 years of PRI government, corruption became institutionalized. Weeding out the system of mordidas, political pandering, favoritism, nepotism, vote buying, etc. will be most difficult to eradicate. That is a huge problem that won't be solved for years. The problem is culturalized. That is the most obvious reason that our southern neighbor has stagnated into a permanent 'developing economy' status.
The issue at this point is gun smuggling. Who's smuggles, from where, to where, for what and to whom are the questions that require cooperation from both countries. And that includes extradition to the country of origin to face stiff judgement and sentencing. Mexico has to do as much if it is raise itself to first world status. It is the one who should be most motivated to do so.
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#15
Dec 14, 2008
 
now it comes out, the US isn't innocent in this mess.

Less regulation=more tom foolery.

Guns are dangerous, there should be the 30 day waiting period for background check before you get to buy them. We should be allowed to have them [guns], but we should make sure that the people that do get them are mentally stable and dont have prior criminal charges. end of story. alot of gun violence that goes on is because our failure to appropriately monitor drug sales.

and now we have this. when have we ever not been apart of the problem. when will people realize that this is a two way street. our drug policy and gun policies directly affect people of both communities.
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#16
Dec 14, 2008
 
Make mexico a deal they stop their illegals and drugs from entering the U.S. and take back all the illegals already here and we will stop the guns from going there.
El Paso Resident

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#17
Dec 14, 2008
 
I don't see a John Smith or Sam Jones selling firearms in Mexico. I see Mexicans selling firearms in Mexico.
All the 'bad guys' have guns in Mexico, only the honest citizens lack them.
As for the morons, like the one who compares using a '50 cal to shoot dove', well he's obviously too ignorant to know any better. Probably voted for Obama too.
If you don't like firearms, stay away from them. But keep you ignorant comments to yourself. A note the El Paso Times should consider; have a knowledgeable person write the firearms articles.
Joe

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Dec 14, 2008
 
Gunslinger915 wrote:
And the prices that the cartels, gangs can and do pay for these weapons is far beyond any actual "store" price. You go to the gun shows and see Mexican license plates, How strange is that?? You go to any of the stores that sell guns and "you" see some real "nasty" looking characters shopping and buying guns. Don't think most of these stores would do an illegal sell, but how about the person buying the gun?? Many of these seem to be late night, just before closing. Are the guns going to Mexico??? They can hide dope coming into the U.S. Why would anyone think they can't/don't hide guns and money going South. The Mexicans "profile people". They know who to check and also who they probably best not check. The U.S. needs permanent South-Bound stations, manned by CBP, Border Patrol, ATF and El Paso County Sheriffs. If they are serious about gun enforcement going South, then they need to get serious.
Every vehicle headed south should have it's VIN number checked to see if it's a vehicle registered somewhere in the USA and make sure it's not stolen before allowing it to go into Mexico.

There needs to be much more enforcement of the border. Every vehicle and pedestrian coming in and going out should be carefully checked to see. I don't care if that makes the lines 100 miles long.
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Dec 14, 2008
 
mole wrote:
Make mexico a deal they stop their illegals and drugs from entering the U.S. and take back all the illegals already here and we will stop the guns from going there.
The only way to stop the weapons from going into Mexico is right at the border. You cannot monitor every gun store, every gun show to see what Mexicans showed up to make purchases. Very often the Mexicans are robbing pawn shops and gun shops for these weapons, we're only lucky when they actually decide to buy them.
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#20
Dec 14, 2008
 
I don't know how many of you remember a few years ago when it was advised not to have an NRA bumper sticker or indication you might own weapons because the Mexicans were looking for those cars in front of homes they would burglarize to find the guns.
Donkey

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Dec 14, 2008
 
mole wrote:
Make mexico a deal they stop their illegals and drugs from entering the U.S. and take back all the illegals already here and we will stop the guns from going there.
You and spASS need to be part of the Obama cabinet. You guys are freaking brillant. While you are at it take Louie from Georgia. They must feed all you guys the same food that makes you so smart.

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