Back UTEP: University deserves Tier O...

Back UTEP: University deserves Tier One status

There are 13 comments on the El Paso Times story from Mar 2, 2009, titled Back UTEP: University deserves Tier One status. In it, El Paso Times reports that:

Reaching Tier One status is attainable for the University of Texas at El Paso, and Texas should help make that a reality.

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Not to be fooled

Houston, TX

#1 Mar 3, 2009
UTEP does not have the leadership to know what a Tier-1 institution should be. Examine Natalicio's academic record and it will be found that she has one of the weakest records of any president -- specially in Tier-1 institutions. The same goes for several of her past and current administrators. Tier-1 is being sought for one and only one reason as pointed out in the El Paso Times: MORE MONEY. This means more money for her and her myriad of administrators. At a salary of close to, or more than, $500,000.00 and graduation rates of only 3%, she should be worried about making it work. After 20 years of total control, the current administration should understand that they are not able nor willing to provide a good education. UTEP has good students and some good faculty. But they cannot fully develop their potential under the current administration. Tier-1 status, an illusion in her mind, has to be earned not argued politically.
_Arrrrrrr

Palo Alto, CA

#2 Mar 3, 2009
This whole process should continue to move forward and hopefully land UTEP Tier 1 institution status, UTEP and El Paso should not be left behind, research is taking us to the future and all the potential is there to make it happen, it's an opportunity in the makings.
UTEP and EL PASO need MORE MONEY.......and why not
Not to be fooled

Houston, TX

#3 Mar 3, 2009
_Arrrrrrr wrote:
This whole process should continue to move forward and hopefully land UTEP Tier 1 institution status, UTEP and El Paso should not be left behind, research is taking us to the future and all the potential is there to make it happen, it's an opportunity in the makings.
UTEP and EL PASO need MORE MONEY.......and why not
Perhaps my pointing out these facts create frustration but imagine the frustration of all the families that sent their children, sons and daughters. to UTEP paying tuition from their savings only to find out that their children will not be graduating. Dr Natalicio has had control for 20 years and graduation rates do not change. I am not saying that money should not be coming to El Paso for higher education purposes. What I am saying is that spending more tax payers' money while she is in charge is throwing good money after bad. Where have the hundreds of millions of dollars from the National Science Foundation, the National Institutes of Health, NASA, etc gone? These funds were to help students graduate and it has not happened. If her administration cannot handle these graduation rates, how can one hope that she can handle a Tier-1 institution? As I said before, UTEP has good students and some good faculty, but a terrible administration. I would be the first to be writing in support was she not in charge. Yes, send more funding to UTEP, but only after a new administration takes over.
Joe the plumber

United States

#4 Mar 3, 2009
Not to be fooled wrote:
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Perhaps my pointing out these facts create frustration but imagine the frustration of all the families that sent their children, sons and daughters. to UTEP paying tuition from their savings only to find out that their children will not be graduating. Dr Natalicio has had control for 20 years and graduation rates do not change. I am not saying that money should not be coming to El Paso for higher education purposes. What I am saying is that spending more tax payers' money while she is in charge is throwing good money after bad. Where have the hundreds of millions of dollars from the National Science Foundation, the National Institutes of Health, NASA, etc gone? These funds were to help students graduate and it has not happened. If her administration cannot handle these graduation rates, how can one hope that she can handle a Tier-1 institution? As I said before, UTEP has good students and some good faculty, but a terrible administration. I would be the first to be writing in support was she not in charge. Yes, send more funding to UTEP, but only after a new administration takes over.
go UTEP
Wont happen

Seminole, FL

#5 Mar 3, 2009
Won't happen, not any time soon.
Jurrasic

El Paso, TX

#7 Mar 4, 2009
UTEP will get Teir 1 status if it works hard at it and does what it is supposed to and it isn't going to happen over night. UTEP needs to get out of the dark ages in how it runs things. It is really outdated though.
wet fart

Seminole, FL

#8 Mar 4, 2009
Jurrasic wrote:
UTEP will get Teir 1 status if it works hard at it and does what it is supposed to and it isn't going to happen over night. UTEP needs to get out of the dark ages in how it runs things. It is really outdated though.
So is El Paso.
Where is El Paso

Laurel, MD

#9 Mar 5, 2009
Why is El Paso so afraid of change, and not just the OBAMA CHANGE, I mean real and meaningful change. Natalicio hasn't brought any good change in her twenty years at UTEP. Our children don't have the necessary skills when they graduate, if they ever do, to compete in the global economy. Most of our brightest leave when they graduate for better opportunities because there is never change here in El Paso. Yet, we will educate forgein students and give them the benefits that our children deserve. The foreign students pay in-state tuition and no one cares. There are many that live across our boders benefiting from our school systems but all we do is say "pobrecitos". Why do I have to work and pay taxes so that these kids that were born in the U.S. but live in Cd. Juarez can cross over to get the free education. I pay taxes so that more schools are built for these kids, but my child can not get assistance when she graduates because we are not in the poverty level. But those kids put fake addresses (a relatives)and are able to apply for those benefits for which neither their parents or themselves will ever have contributed to. The victim mentality is the down fall of the people here in El Paso and our Mayor, Councilmen and school administrators keep us there. There has to be more to El Paso than just a dot on the Texas map. Our citizens deserve better.
PASE

United States

#10 Jun 23, 2009
What does UTEP and Texas get by having 12% of the students coming from Mexico and paying in-state tuition? THEIR MONEY!!

UTEP is a good alternative to middle to upper class kids who look more like the traditional college student from non-commuter universities. Mexican students STAY on campus, which is not the case for the "locals". Students eat (sales taxes), buy books (sales taxes), many of them rent (even own) apartments around campus, spend 100's on clothes and all sorts of goods (sale taxes), gas (did I say taxes?). So the $2000 or so in tuition texas waives, is more than recovered with a direct benefit to El Paso's economy. Believe me, Texas did no approve the PASE program because they are a good neighbor to Mexico, they did it because it makes financial sense. Perry would have already removed it, but he knows its value.
PASE

United States

#11 Jun 23, 2009
Oh and by the way, Mexican students do pay in-state tuition, about $1400 for 12 credit hours. Since they are traditional students they usually take 15-16 hours per semester. MANY UTEP students are part-time students, and many others get financial aid (OUR TAXES). So it is a really sweet deal for Texas.
DarkMan

El Paso, TX

#12 Jun 24, 2009
If you dont live in the U.S. FU no assistance for you. Why do these juarenos get in state tuition. that is bs! They need to seal the borders!!!!
Too Simplistic

El Paso, TX

#13 Jun 24, 2009
DarkMan wrote:
If you dont live in the U.S. FU no assistance for you. Why do these juarenos get in state tuition. that is bs! They need to seal the borders!!!!
I guess it has to do with how many students from Juarez attend UTEP. MANY, I'm sure you are aware. In order to keep students coming to UTEP, they had to make it economically feasible for the Juarences to come. However, I do find it strange that they get in state tuition, but people from Las Cruces cannot. Too odd.

“Feel The Force”

Since: Dec 08

El Paso, TX

#14 Jun 24, 2009
PASE wrote:
What does UTEP and Texas get by having 12% of the students coming from Mexico and paying in-state tuition? THEIR MONEY!!
UTEP is a good alternative to middle to upper class kids who look more like the traditional college student from non-commuter universities. Mexican students STAY on campus, which is not the case for the "locals". Students eat (sales taxes), buy books (sales taxes), many of them rent (even own) apartments around campus, spend 100's on clothes and all sorts of goods (sale taxes), gas (did I say taxes?). So the $2000 or so in tuition texas waives, is more than recovered with a direct benefit to El Paso's economy. Believe me, Texas did no approve the PASE program because they are a good neighbor to Mexico, they did it because it makes financial sense. Perry would have already removed it, but he knows its value.
BTW, the Mexican students, since they're foreign nationals, DON'T pay sales taxes. They get Manifiestos and get their taxes either taken off entirely at the register, which I've personally seen WAY too often... it holds up lines for several extra minutes each, or they get them back later. Either way, WE the local, American citizens, El Paso tax payers, don't get ANY benefits from them.

And that's not an international norm. I've visited Europe several times, and every time I had to pay their VAT, which in some places is nearly 20%. Why should we be any different??

The question that I have isn't about foreign nationals paying in-state tution. How many of them aren't paying ANY tuition at all?? And that's not just here, but at every college across the country.

Foreign nationals should NEVER get a free ride through college when American students, who are every bit as capable of attaining a college degree can't go because of lack of money. That's called a backwards system. Why take care of everyone else above our own??

UTEP's low graduation rates are its administrators' problem. How do you expect someone to graduate when you're changing major requirements every two to three years and not grandfathering students in as promised?? UTEP is after one thing and one thing only: MONEY.

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