Pipeline blocked at Fond du Lac reservation

Enbridge Energy's plans for a 1,000-mile pipeline to move Canadian crude have hit a rough patch at the Fond du Lac Indian reservation.

[Mike from St Cloud]

Could we possibly find another way to waste money. If everyone is in agreement to run it thru the res then go. Obviously the story writer doesn't say why there's an enviromental impact study being done, and there's already a pipeline there, and it appears the detour would cost more, what the he_l is the issue. Could it be that Enbridge is getting some kind of stimulus if they can increase the cost of this pipeline. Maybe the reporter could find more information to share with the rest of us.

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[GMANS]

Yeah thats what I am talking about! Give the Oil companies some of their on medicine! they made billions apon billions off of us with lies and fake shortages.
Hopefully the idiots in the US goverment stay out of this, because they have already given away too much money to corporate thieves and Bush went along with the Oil companies as they robbed us...so use their excuse there is a shortage of routes and prices have gone up since they milked middle America of it money..Yeah! this is justice!

[BeerBibleBullets]

Guess how much money the state will lose with BS like this. Just ok the bypass around the FDL lands so the Stete can get the kickback instead of FDL.

[Bob the Bilderberg]

GMANS wrote:

Yeah thats what I am talking about! Give the Oil companies some of their on medicine! they made billions apon billions off of us with lies and fake shortages.
Hopefully the idiots in the US goverment stay out of this, because they have already given away too much money to corporate thieves and Bush went along with the Oil companies as they robbed us...so use their excuse there is a shortage of routes and prices have gone up since they milked middle America of it money..Yeah! this is justice!

With this delay, what do you think that will do to the price of that oil? Increase it or decrease it?

Also, who do you think makes the most money from the sale of a gallon of gasoline?

a. the oil companies
b. the retailer
c. the government

Answer c. The state and federal government's take is 38 cents per gallon, which is almost a 20% profit margin on $2/gal gasoline. Pretty good since they have no exploration, drilling, refining, or distribution costs. The retailer makes about a nickle a gaoon, while the oil company makes 20 cents.

[Mike Eshoff]

The reservation wants the pipeline, blocks a bypass, and demands more money. Is this blackmail or mere greed? I think blocking the bypass makes it blackmail. Order the pipeline to go through and give them half the previously offered amount.

[hudaful]

Bob the Bilderberg wrote:

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With this delay, what do you think that will do to the price of that oil? Increase it or decrease it?
Also, who do you think makes the most money from the sale of a gallon of gasoline?
a. the oil companies
b. the retailer
c. the government
Answer c. The state and federal government's take is 38 cents per gallon, which is almost a 20% profit margin on $2/gal gasoline. Pretty good since they have no exploration, drilling, refining, or distribution costs. The retailer makes about a nickle a gaoon, while the oil company makes 20 cents.

The fed and state makes 38 cents 'profit' on each gallon?
That would be 'revenue' not 'profit'. To get the profit figure you would need to subtract the cost of road building, rebuilding, repairing, plowing, sweeping, painting, safety, signage, right of way purchases, bridges, draining, surveying, policing, roadkill removal, beautification, sound barriers, etc.
Maybe you think the oil companies should take over the road building business since they could operate such as a profit oriented enterprise?
No one is stopping them from building such a private road network. With the enormous profits they've been enjoying, the oil companies could obviously make even more profie with such a private network. Think of the money you'd save per gallon by driving on private tollways everywhere you go...

[slickleg]

promise them a new cassino,then when the pipeline is through,put up an outhouse and tell them to go **** in there hat

[Quoth the Raven]

Did you ever hear of a reservation requesting an environmental impact statement before they cleared land, drained wetlands or otherwise changed the environment to build a casino? They are money-grubbing hypocrites and need to have a little daylight shone on their operations.

[hudaful]

Quoth the Raven wrote:

Did you ever hear of a reservation requesting an environmental impact statement before they cleared land, drained wetlands or otherwise changed the environment to build a casino?

Yes. Have you ever heard of a casino that was built without one? Name it.

[hudaful]

Mike Eshoff wrote:

The reservation wants the pipeline, blocks a bypass, and demands more money. Is this blackmail or mere greed? I think blocking the bypass makes it blackmail. Order the pipeline to go through and give them half the previously offered amount.

Price is the issue? Most likely. Why is that a bad thing?
The reservation didn't 'block a bypass'. From the story: "Enbridge proposed a 21-mile detour around the reservation, but Minnesota regulators declined to approve that."
Why all the haters?

[whew]

Bob the Bilderberg wrote:

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Also, who do you think makes the most money from the sale of a gallon of gasoline?
a. the oil companies
b. the retailer
c. the government
Answer c. The state and federal government's take is 38 cents per gallon, which is almost a 20% profit margin on $2/gal gasoline. Pretty good since they have no exploration, drilling, refining, or distribution costs. The retailer makes about a nickle a gaoon, while the oil company makes 20 cents.

What "profit"? It's part of a state's annual income from which public expenses are met. Common good. Not that you feel you need to contribute.
Profit. Noun.
A financial gain, esp. the difference between the amount earned and the amount spent in buying, operating, or producing something.

[Quoth the Raven]

hudaful wrote:

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Yes. Have you ever heard of a casino that was built without one? Name it.

There are 18 of them in Minnesota. You can name them yourself.

[whatever]

Quid Pro Quo is all it is...politics, money & greed!

[itsme]

Quoth the Raven wrote:

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There are 18 of them in Minnesota. You can name them yourself.

Don't forget the ones in the Florida everglades

[SunShine]

hudaful wrote:

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The fed and state makes 38 cents 'profit' on each gallon?
That would be 'revenue' not 'profit'. To get the profit figure you would need to subtract the cost of road building, rebuilding, repairing, plowing, sweeping, painting, safety, signage, right of way purchases, bridges, draining, surveying, policing, roadkill removal, beautification, sound barriers, etc.
Maybe you think the oil companies should take over the road building business since they could operate such as a profit oriented enterprise?
No one is stopping them from building such a private road network. With the enormous profits they've been enjoying, the oil companies could obviously make even more profie with such a private network. Think of the money you'd save per gallon by driving on private tollways everywhere you go...

Incorrect.

Toll roads are illegal in MN.

Trust me, if not, you would be paying though the nose to get to Duluth!

[SunShine]

Mike Eshoff wrote:

The reservation wants the pipeline, blocks a bypass, and demands more money. Is this blackmail or mere greed? I think blocking the bypass makes it blackmail. Order the pipeline to go through and give them half the previously offered amount.

The only person that could "order" anything done on the res. is the President.

If you can't get a President to step up to stop them gillneting the lakes, you think this would get an Okay?

[hudaful]

SunShine wrote:

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Incorrect.
Toll roads are illegal in MN.
Trust me, if not, you would be paying though the nose to get to Duluth!

Actually, there are public toll roads in MN. I guess you haven't seen the HOV toll lanes on 394, or the toll bridge in Inver Grove, nor heard of the TH212 toll road proposal. Have you ever heard of the Toll Road Bank that is gaining popularity in Washington?
But I was referring to the prospect of private toll roads. Maybe you are not aware of the MN law that promotes public and private partnership on toll roads?
Or perhaps you are just a contrarian?
As far as trusting you, no thanks. Lack of knowledge on your part means a lack of trust in you on my part.

[Tony Caine]

Go around the RES and cut off all fuel and power supplies to them. Let them try to figure how to make their propane and natural gas furnaces work.
Then we will see how they feel about the issue.

[ZenBirdist]

Tony Caine wrote:

Go around the RES and cut off all fuel and power supplies to them. Let them try to figure how to make their propane and natural gas furnaces work.
Then we will see how they feel about the issue.

Tony, I see your lack of compassion extends all the way from Minnesotans with terminal illnesses to Minnesotans living on the Reservations. Do tell, who DO you like?

[hudaful]

Tony Caine wrote:

Go around the RES and cut off all fuel and power supplies to them. Let them try to figure how to make their propane and natural gas furnaces work.
Then we will see how they feel about the issue.

I'm just betting that many of our fine red brethern wish that they had considered those same actions beginning in 1492.