U.S. probes allegations of DeVry fals...

U.S. probes allegations of DeVry false statements

There are 35 comments on the Chicago Tribune story from May 20, 2008, titled U.S. probes allegations of DeVry false statements. In it, Chicago Tribune reports that:

DeVry Inc. , the provider of technical and college degrees, was accused of filing false statements to the government and will turn over documents on recruiter pay and performance to the Justice Department civil ...

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Devry Watch

Neenah, WI

#1 May 20, 2008
For the past several years I have found Devry extremely wanting in its regulatory department. The complaints I made to the USDOJ and the US Education department seems weak responded at best. So I started a web site and even sued Devry a couple time pro-se. I thinks that the issue is greater than just recruiter pay especially when we know that 75% of Devry 's income is federal student loan based. Certification on those forms for approval into the program is lost when significant false claims are proven. I am good that my web page at http://www.devrywatch.com isn't the only discussion on the matter anymore.
Monsi

Vero Beach, FL

#2 May 23, 2008
Thansk for the website DeVryWatch. Since DeVry was bought by Keller, the whole DeVry business model changed and their motto is making a profit at any cost. Their priority or mission is not directed to provide a high standard academic institution to their customers (students), but how they can increase their margins and make the most money with as little investment as they can. That is how the online environment comes in. The online division is the one making the money and where the effort is being place currently at the school. It is a shame how a very good technical school for so many years is being dismantled by the current management.
If you are considering attending DeVry, think twice. DeVry as it is currently managed, is a rip off.
Former D

New Lenox, IL

#3 May 25, 2008
I left DeVry knowing that my salary was to be decreased even though I was in the top 20 out of over 100.(I realize that this is a direct violation with their accreditation with NCA.) The position was misrepresented to me the same way the education and financial aid is misrepresented to the students. If you feel that I am a disgruntled employee, please visit http://ihatedevry.com/forums/ for more information.
D Emp

Chicago, IL

#4 May 26, 2008
Wow, and here I thought I was wasting my time on the internet, I just wasted 5 minutes reading these blogs and answering back with my own comment. I just wasted 5 minutes of my life that I will never get back, for what? so that I can read about bitchy little school girls and how they find inadequacies in others. Have a Great Week guys, I am waiting on the edge of my seat to see what else you can bitch about now... really I am waiting.....
former

Champaign, IL

#5 May 30, 2008
I am a former recruiter for DeVry, and can document that my salary was increased when I made my goal for the number of students I convinced to attend DeVry. Several of my friends received pay cuts when they failed to put the set number of "as*es in classes" (the DeVry mantra).

I watched in horror as students with little academic qualifications were told that if they had the "interst, desire, and motivation" they could graduate in 3 years and have a terrific career. What most students realized was the classes were way above their capabilities and trying to graduate in 3 years is nearly impossible unless they have parents with fat wallets.

One of the more notoriously successful recruiters in the Chicago area told me he routinely took applications (and the hefty application fee) from students with a 13 on their ACT's (out of 36). It's all about cash flow. Recruiters are trained to guilt trip and trick families into sending their kids to DeVry. We were taught how to show parents how they could afford the school by breaking the cost into chunks. What was routinely omitted was the reality of what would transpire.

When I attended "clinic" a Faganish week of "how to" there were approximately 28 new recruiters in my class. The next year there were five of us left. Turnover at DeVry is at least double digit. I my region there were approximately 18 reps. In the 3 years I was there I saw 22 reps come and go. Most didn't realize they were expected to work in excess of 60 hour weeks, sacrifice all personal and family time, and work holidays and all weekends. DeVry has lost 2 class action law suits brought against them by former employees because they paid NO overtime.

What amazes me is how DeVry has escaped being found out for so many years. But then, for quite a while one of the 8 most influential men in America sat on their board. Things that make you go hmmmm.

The most telling example of how inflated DeVry's promises are is in their own computer systems. For 3 years they worked on ISIS to the tune of between $5-$8Million dollars. When it was launched it was a never ending train wreck. After finally spending around $80 million total to patch it up, it's being replaced. And these people proclaim to be the technology leader, when they can't fix their own problems.
Disillusioned

United States

#6 Jul 16, 2008
I am currently a DeVry employee, not as a recruiter but as academic support staff for continuing students. I can attest to the shady business practices DeVry conducts on a regular basis. I cannot tell you how many students I've spoken to who have said that their admissions rep "pushed" them into classes, that they have no understanding of their loan (or if they even have a loan!!), student's who were admitted without a high school diploma, and students who anyone can judge, after a five minute conversation with them, that they are clearly not equipped to handle college classes. Students are routinely set up to fail here for the profit of DeVry's shareholders.
Bob

United States

#7 May 17, 2009
My girlfriend works at a DeVry in Florida and she is telling me that Devry has their own "formula" to calculate overtime. Which according to her is less than what she gets paid per hour. She has worked overtime on more than one occasion and has yet to recieve any overtime compensation. Does anyone know about this formula
walter c

United States

#9 Aug 22, 2009
It looks like Devry University has been pulling down or buying out any negative websites. Freedom of the press can be bought out! Beware Devry University money scam for a psuedo degree.
Annoyed reader

United States

#10 Oct 9, 2009
What you may not realize "walter" is that each student, when they apply, are accepted, and choose to attend any school under Devry Inc. they are agreeing to adhere to a student code of conduct, which rightfully so, includes not creating any websites dedicated to bathmouthing the school. There are several websites that serve as a forum for complaints that are not strictly "devry bashing" sites.

And for the the students who actually do the work to graduate (not attend school for the refunds) they STILL have a 90% job placement rate in the current economy. They would not have their accreditation if the degree program did not meet specific requirements.

Very happy to see devry watch was taken down. Some students may need to focus a little more on their coursework and a little less on their refunds.
black01stang

Charlotte, NC

#11 Nov 19, 2009
I was thinking about attending Devry, but after reading a ton of posts it has changed my mind. My "recruiter" is very pushy. She calls 3 times a day asking me when i can come in. She kept bugging me for my app fee so i gave it to her, but i called my bank and told them to put a hold on it cuz i have changed my mind and im not going to talk to a financial advisor monday. Just dealing with them for the past week has pissed me off to where i want to cuss them out when they call me.
What a Joke

Chicago, IL

#12 Oct 16, 2010
Let me just say I wondered if it was a bad choice. Two years got me a degree that seems to be $40,000 waste. With a high CGPA and the best they can find in job placement is $25,000 per year? Bad part is that I was making $35,000 before hand. Worse is the the loan payment is $450 a month. Do the math and that equals a huge loss.
Ex Employee

East Freetown, MA

#13 Nov 9, 2010
I worked in Admissions for 3 weeks because that was all I could stand. As a recruiter, I was paid well and got a full benefit package on day one. The reason DeVry can afford to be so generous is because they fully expect to get rid of most recruiters within a matter of months. Most of my colleagues sold cars and timeshares before, or other degrees at other schools. When I was hired, I was told that I would have to work 1-2 Saturdays a month, but when I actually started, everyone who had managed to stay there let me know that they hadnt ever really had a Saturday off. You actually get less money per hour for each hour of OT you work. I knew people who arrived at 8am and left at 9pm so they could harrass people on the phone hour after hour until they were able to set a "suitable" number of interviews. Nevermind that the people you reach are adults and fully capable of making their own decisions. I was told that the prospective students need me to make the decisions for them and not to feel guilty about being pushy. I was told that I would have a full 8 weeks of training, which actually consisted of me sitting in a room with a "workbook". After the 1st week, I got a rude awakening and was told that I was expected to produce immediately and that the only way to even get out of training was to start sitting students in seats. Well, that would have been no problem if I was actually given people to contact who had a real interest in the school. 99% of people I called hung up on me and yelled at me because they had asked multiple times before to NOT be contacted anymore. Yikes. I was told that no reason was good enough to let these people off the phone. If they were attending another school, I was supposed to steer them to Devry anyway. If they did not have the time and the money, I was told to make them feel like slackers who would never complete anything unless they came to see me TODAY. I was given a stack of phone numbers to call and sometimes these people made an error and selected a request for info while looking for jobs or they were simply looking into the school years ago. Imagine their shock when they received a new battery of daily (sometimes 3 times daily) calls. Other new recruiters were given the SAME list of names to call on the same days. Their reasoning was that one of us should have the magic touch to get the student in the door no matter what. The programs ranged from $40k-$85. And yes, walking through the halls one could easily tell that most of the students were either full-time workers with families who were desperate for a good education and future and who could not find traditional colleges as flexible as they needed them to be (and these are smart people who fell on hard times) or people who really were not intelligent enough to be in anybody's college. Either way, the last thing any of these people need is debt pushing $100K. The career services department consisted of 2 women in a cubicle and I have yet to understand what they really do to help place students in as many good jobs as possible. Management still had "numbers" to meet, tehrefore they could care less about guiding other employees. And directors are so busy flying back and forth to Chicago and enjoying almost 6-figure salaries, all they want to see at the end of the day is how many souls you've signed. Perhaps the most shocking thing is that the successful recruiters are either brain-washed or pretending to be. They walk around spouting that Devry is the best thing for the students and that they are "helping". The funny thing is, though, that most of these people wouldnt dream of attending or sending their children to DeVry. The tech programs may be decent, but so are they at many community colleges at a fraction of the price. I've checked around and noticed that many community colleges are now offering evening and weekend classes. So why spend $80K on something that a future employer may look at as questionable?
Srs

Saint Marys, OH

#14 Apr 11, 2011
I attended devry for a year and a half.

I was pretty much a big scam.

There a few honest nice people there, but there financial department is a bunch of crooks.

I already reported them to the better business bureau.

We've busted them for getting loans out in students names without permission. Then, they send the loan back to the lender, and then make you pay the balance of a refund.

Also, their career department is almost non-existing.

There are other schools to go to that offer better option. I advise you not to be screwed.

Just a heads up!
suckerd in GA

Bowersville, GA

#15 Apr 12, 2011
Srs wrote:
I attended devry for a year and a half.
I was pretty much a big scam.
There a few honest nice people there, but there financial department is a bunch of crooks.
I already reported them to the better business bureau.
We've busted them for getting loans out in students names without permission. Then, they send the loan back to the lender, and then make you pay the balance of a refund.
Also, their career department is almost non-existing.
There are other schools to go to that offer better option. I advise you not to be screwed.
Just a heads up!
OK I am quitting Devry at the end of June. I called the student loan people and had devry pulled from my FASA. I have not and will not sign up for classes in July. Do I need to call the Department of Education again and tell them not to give any more money to this bunch on my behalf? I figure they will try to get it in July anyway. If I don't register for classes they sure as hell can't make me pay for anymore of them. I don't want to go back next session but they say that I will owe them money if I don't. Something about the pell grant. I was smart enough to order 5 transcripts and did get them in the mail a week or so ago, so I don't have to worry about them hold those. I one upped them on that!
umm idk

San Jose, CA

#16 May 5, 2011
i dont know if i should go or not?
DeVry Employee

Orlando, FL

#17 May 15, 2011
DeVry University was never bought by Keller. Keller is the sister school of DeVry Inc. Look it up.
Monsi wrote:
Thansk for the website DeVryWatch. Since DeVry was bought by Keller, the whole DeVry business model changed and their motto is making a profit at any cost. Their priority or mission is not directed to provide a high standard academic institution to their customers (students), but how they can increase their margins and make the most money with as little investment as they can. That is how the online environment comes in. The online division is the one making the money and where the effort is being place currently at the school. It is a shame how a very good technical school for so many years is being dismantled by the current management.
If you are considering attending DeVry, think twice. DeVry as it is currently managed, is a rip off.
DeVry Employee

Orlando, FL

#18 May 15, 2011
I would really talk to a Director or FA Manager for your case. DeVry can't and does not pull anything with out your consent. If you really understand how the process works (which seams to be the overall problem) then you would know that FA looks at the cost of school and takes out loans that you authorized via the FAFSA. I really don't think you understand that no matter what school you go to IT'S ALL THE SAME! You are borrowing loans from the Gov. unless it's an outside loan that you would need to cover the cost of your classes. If they tell you that you have an out of pocked, Talk to your FA adviser. If you can't afford it, have them look at different options (such as taking one less class) that would help lower the cost.
suckerd in GA wrote:
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OK I am quitting Devry at the end of June. I called the student loan people and had devry pulled from my FASA. I have not and will not sign up for classes in July. Do I need to call the Department of Education again and tell them not to give any more money to this bunch on my behalf? I figure they will try to get it in July anyway. If I don't register for classes they sure as hell can't make me pay for anymore of them. I don't want to go back next session but they say that I will owe them money if I don't. Something about the pell grant. I was smart enough to order 5 transcripts and did get them in the mail a week or so ago, so I don't have to worry about them hold those. I one upped them on that!
guest

Chesapeake, VA

#19 May 16, 2011
Srs wrote:
I attended devry for a year and a half.
I was pretty much a big scam.
There a few honest nice people there, but there financial department is a bunch of crooks.
I already reported them to the better business bureau.
We've busted them for getting loans out in students names without permission. Then, they send the loan back to the lender, and then make you pay the balance of a refund.
Also, their career department is almost non-existing.
There are other schools to go to that offer better option. I advise you not to be screwed.
Just a heads up!
this is what they did to me, I was suppose to receive a loan based on their "package" then after classes started even though none of my information changed my award did & I ended up owing them 700+.
Sean

Stone Mountain, GA

#20 Jun 14, 2011
I understand everyone’s concerns about DeVry. I actually am a DeVry graduate currently working in my degree field. I will say that this school is very expensive. I also fell victim to a loan scam. I was 3 classes from graduation and had to get the devry private loan which they want you to pay back while you are enrolled. I just caution everyone, don’t go to school for the refund because it can bite you in the ass. I did that for many years. Overall I enjoyed my education at DeVry in the Atlanta area the professors on campus actually do care and teach. If you are interested in DeVry just do your research. This school has different meanings in different markets. I’m happy I went to the school just not happy I got suckered into that private loan.
california

United States

#21 Jun 20, 2011
Has anyone gone to the schools in California? I'm looking into attending the Devry university here but after reading all this I'm not too sure I want to.

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