Is America Ready to Quit Coal?

Feb 15, 2009 Full story: www.nytimes.com 415
The coal industry, which powered the industrial revolution and supplied America with much of its electricity for more than 60 years, is in a fight for its survival. Full Story
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just an allusion

Lawrenceburg, KY

#411 Nov 15, 2009
Brian_G wrote:
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You are so out of date, from your cite:
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Most Saudi oil goes to the Far East, again from your cite:
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Why don't your write more when you learn something?
YOU need to read the ENTIRE time line AND, thanks in large part to your snide remarks and, particularly, off-subject commentary, good luck with talking to and interacting with, YOURSELF...Consider yourself relegated to the peanut gallery ranks of the trolls as I'm NOT the one "out of date", YOUR childish antics are.

“I Luv Carbon Dioxide”

Since: Dec 08

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#412 Nov 15, 2009
just an allusion wrote:
YOU need to read the ENTIRE time line AND, thanks in large part to your snide remarks and, particularly, off-subject commentary, good luck with talking to and interacting with, YOURSELF...Consider yourself relegated to the peanut gallery ranks of the trolls as I'm NOT the one "out of date", YOUR childish antics are.
What are you talking about? The Saudi's own Aramco now, it's not a privately held company, much less an American corporation. Are you pretending that we live in the past when Aramco was founded?
Northie

Spokane, WA

#413 Nov 16, 2009
Brian_G wrote:
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You've obviously never been to Saudi Arabia, I have. They have more because they drill more, they drill deep and wide. We could have more oil, if we chose to open government non-parkland and offshore coastal areas to production.
Foolish. Of course there is slightly more oil to be found at economical depths in the US, but not much. That has been confirmed for ages by our own Energy Information Administration. Even if there were giant reserves in some rare, undiscovered pocket beneath Florida, say, the need to protect the climate means we still need to move off oil. There is no choice.

“I Luv Carbon Dioxide”

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#414 Nov 16, 2009
N. I don't understand how you can say oil resources are confirmed, half our coastal seas are off limits to explorations for the past thirty years. Anyone who's ever invested in oil production knows that the only way to confirm a find is to drill a well.

I don’t want to move off oil, there is no alternative for a transportation fuel. There are no electric trucks delivering goods to our stores, if we get off oil now, we’re all going to starve.
Earthling

Huécija, Spain

#415 Nov 17, 2009
Brian_G wrote:
There are no electric trucks delivering goods to our stores, if we get off oil now, we’re all going to starve.
No chance, just dust off the buggy and buy a new pony.
Then get a few chickens, a goat, a couple of pigs, sharpen the plough, pop down to the seedsman's store and your settled.
There are quite a few families round here who still live that way, except they use tractors instead of burros now, but I'm sure they would find it easy enough to revert back.
NW Hominid

Kent, WA

#416 Nov 17, 2009
It's the crystal meth of the power industry, a cheap resource that we built 200+yrs of infrastructure around it, white man's black lung legacy - good old boys don't like change...
Northie

Spokane, WA

#417 Nov 17, 2009
Brian_G wrote:
N. I don't understand how you can say oil resources are confirmed, half our coastal seas are off limits to explorations for the past thirty years. Anyone who's ever invested in oil production knows that the only way to confirm a find is to drill a well.
I don’t want to move off oil, there is no alternative for a transportation fuel. There are no electric trucks delivering goods to our stores, if we get off oil now, we’re all going to starve.
You sound like a man who reeeeally likes his truck. You also sound like a television psychic; "send out the right spiritual vibrations and riches will flow to you, even in your miserable Mississippi trailer park".

The fact is, cheap oil in the US is gone for good, and 70 cents of every dollar we spend on gas now leaves the country, much of it funding tyrants and terrorists. Meanwhile, there is limited oil left to be found at home; most coasts and wilderness areas now off limits were explored and test drilled long ago without success, and no country has explored its own territories for oil longer or more thoroughly than we have.

The clincher is that even if we did have enough domestic oil, we'd STILL have to abandon it soon in order to protect the climate. The oil economy is done for, especially in the US. So we'd better find a replacement.

“I Luv Carbon Dioxide”

Since: Dec 08

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#418 Nov 17, 2009
Long ago, like more than thirty years. In a generation and a half production and exploration techniques have improved, remember what computers looked like thirty years ago?

You would have to be a psychic to be certain we’ve exhausted domestic oil. In fact, there’s more to be found than the Saudi’s could ever imagine.

“Denying those who deny nature”

Since: Jun 07

Norfolk va

#419 Nov 18, 2009
Northie wrote:
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You sound like a man who reeeeally likes his truck. You also sound like a television psychic; "send out the right spiritual vibrations and riches will flow to you, even in your miserable Mississippi trailer park".
The fact is, cheap oil in the US is gone for good, and 70 cents of every dollar we spend on gas now leaves the country, much of it funding tyrants and terrorists. Meanwhile, there is limited oil left to be found at home; most coasts and wilderness areas now off limits were explored and test drilled long ago without success, and no country has explored its own territories for oil longer or more thoroughly than we have.
The clincher is that even if we did have enough domestic oil, we'd STILL have to abandon it soon in order to protect the climate. The oil economy is done for, especially in the US. So we'd better find a replacement.
Actually the pice of fuel adjusted for inflation isn't as bad as you might expect. But then again for your world view to work it has to be. Every time someone like yourself predicts that they are about to run out of oil someone finds a new field or two. Also you forgot about ANWAR and that huge reserve.

Also in order to abandond domestic oil your going to need a replacement. Right now there are no viable replacement. Whenever oil reserves around the world fall far enought you will see domestic oil exporation and extraction. You will have a hard time convincing the average person to worry about some litte mouse or bug when they are looking at thier own kids going cold and hungry.
litesong

Lynnwood, WA

#420 Sep 1, 2012
brian_g wrote:
We need to restart atmospheric nuclear tests, enough debris high in the atmosphere, I bet we can restart the Ice Age scare of the '70s.
One of brian_g's desperate ideas that partially earned him the more accurate name,'steenking piddling diddling middling mudling mudslinger brian_g stumble butt dumpster diver'.

'me me me getting mine in the 69 position', always mentions kids being scared by politicians. The kids are far more scared that individuals like 'steenking piddling diddling middling mudling mudslinger brian_g stumble butt dumpster diver', who IS an alleged & proud threatener, are lose in society.

“I Luv Carbon Dioxide”

Since: Dec 08

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#421 Sep 2, 2012
Maybe atmospheric testing is extreme; so is cutting carbon dioxide emissions. We need to emit CO² or we die.
PHD

Houston, TX

#422 Sep 2, 2012
Brian_G wrote:
Maybe atmospheric testing is extreme; so is cutting carbon dioxide emissions. We need to emit CO² or we die.
Not to worry the dirtng spews enough carbon dioxide to cover the coal plants that shut down.

“I Luv Carbon Dioxide”

Since: Dec 08

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#423 Sep 2, 2012
No, I didn't say someone else have to emit CO², if you don't emit carbon dioxide you die.

Simple as that.
Allen

Macon, GA

#424 Sep 2, 2012
Brian_G wrote:
No, I didn't say someone else have to emit CO², if you don't emit carbon dioxide you die.
Simple as that.
Humans die....not coal fired plants.
litesong

Lynnwood, WA

#425 Sep 2, 2012
steenking piddling diddling middling mudling mudslinger brian_g stumble butt dumpster diver wrote:
Maybe atmospheric testing is extreme...... We need to emit CO² or we die.
MAYBE atmospheric (nuclear) testing is extreme. Over a 3 year period, "steenking piddling diddling middling mudling mudslinger brian_g stumble butt dumpster diver" is up to 'MAYBE'.

As far as humans emitting CO2, that has nothing to do with AGW. AGW has everything to do with oil developed millions of years ago, dredged from thousands of feet under the Earth's surface & dumped that oil's produced CO2 into the air. "steenking piddling diddling middling mudling mudslinger brian_g stumble butt dumpster diver" is diverting & I'm not mentioning blond bombshells.

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