Electrical station would overlook a m...

Electrical station would overlook a mound where Cherokees origi...

There are 20 comments on the Fox 8 WGHP story from Feb 11, 2010, titled Electrical station would overlook a mound where Cherokees origi.... In it, Fox 8 WGHP reports that:

North Carolina's Cherokee Indians are protesting construction of an electrical station near the site the tribe considers its birthplace.

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Gali Adohi

Tahlequah, OK

#1 Feb 11, 2010
You make this sound like a trivial issue, but us tribal members do not see it as such. You make us sound irrational with comment such as "...and don't like Duke building a transmission station a half-mile away and across the river that will rise up to 40 feet."

You have to understand how sacred this site is, it is our home land.
Ravynwolfe

Canada

#2 Feb 11, 2010
Please respect our ancestral home.
Common Sense

Bryson City, NC

#3 Feb 11, 2010
I would ask you to remember a couple of things:

1) The reason for the power station is to supply the new casino, owned by the Cherokee. Sometimes you have to compromise. I'm not real happy with the towers marching down west over the ridges, through the county and ruining my view. Especially if it benefits only the casino. But I'll put my feelings aside for the greater good.

2) It's just a visual thing. Duke intends no disrespect, I'm certain. It's hard to balance the need for 'modern' convenience with a desire to respect the past.

Don't drive my electrical rates up over this. Do you intend for the bypass to be torn up because it takes away from the view from the sacred ground there. Of course not. It's the same thing with this "electrical highway". You can't get something for nothing.

Concerned

Greensboro, NC

#4 Feb 11, 2010
What a pathetic job with the site planning Duke Energy. I find it hard to believe the only place for this substation to go is overlooking a cultural heritage site. With all due respect to those who disagree, this is not just about repecting the past. The site is important to current and future generations of Cherokee. There is only one Mother Town. I realize that destroying a view from a treasured site is nothing to some in our valueless society. We should all side with the Cherokee in their struggle to preserve the site.
Common Sense

Bryson City, NC

#5 Feb 12, 2010
Concerned wrote:
What a pathetic job with the site planning Duke Energy. I find it hard to believe the only place for this substation to go is overlooking a cultural heritage site. With all due respect to those who disagree, this is not just about repecting the past. The site is important to current and future generations of Cherokee. There is only one Mother Town. I realize that destroying a view from a treasured site is nothing to some in our valueless society. We should all side with the Cherokee in their struggle to preserve the site.
Destroying a view?!? Give me a break. Does the junk on the old farm there in Ela destroy it? The rusted silo? The junk across the road? The bypass? The tower on Frye Mountain? Someone's television antennae? The rusted cars embedded in the riverbank? If you want a pristine view from the Mother Town, you'll have to buy up all the land within eyesight, destroy the bypass, tear down the cell towers, ad infinitum. Be reasonable!
Concerned

White House, TN

#6 Feb 13, 2010
I think it is perfectly reasonable to not add a permanent installation overlooking a cultural and historical site, especially one with specal signifigance to so many. If you are suggesting all of those things be changed, good luck. I'm just saying let's not add to the problem. Are you really suggesting that because the entire viewshed is not pristine we should just say "oh well" and forget about it? It is just a matter of drawing a line. Is it not reasonable to find another solution rather than add another problem?
Totally Agree with you

United States

#7 Feb 15, 2010
Concerned wrote:
I think it is perfectly reasonable to not add a permanent installation overlooking a cultural and historical site, especially one with specal signifigance to so many. If you are suggesting all of those things be changed, good luck. I'm just saying let's not add to the problem. Are you really suggesting that because the entire viewshed is not pristine we should just say "oh well" and forget about it? It is just a matter of drawing a line. Is it not reasonable to find another solution rather than add another problem?
"Common Sense" has no COMMON SENSE!
Common Sense

Bryson City, NC

#8 Feb 16, 2010
It's easy to say "move the substation", but that does not take existing facilities into account. That area at Hyatt Creek is probably the largest single valley for miles around. The mountain overlooking the Mound is where the existing hi-voltage lines come through at this time. In order to serve the casino, the power must be shunted off that line and converted through whatever gizmos Duke uses to do that. Guess what? They have to put a substation next to those high-voltage lines. They can't choose just any area. You are implying that Duke can move this wherever they choose. No, the line going to the casino will have to go in this area to connect to the existing lines.
An analogy would be to put a 4 lane highway through an area, and then build feeder roads that don't connect to it. It just won't work.
I think that Duke can do some rediesign of the facility to minimize the visual impact; I'm sure they did not anticipate this outcry. But we've got to face the physical and geographical limits they have to work within. If you want the power, there will have to be a substation in that area.
wilderness lady

United States

#9 Feb 16, 2010
To: Common Sense
When the Park Service puts the Great Smoky Mountain National Park into wilderness, then nobody will have a say about what happens on their land. There will be Buffer Zones, Subzones and Transition Zones, that will affect all Swain County people.
Common Sense

Bryson City, NC

#10 Feb 17, 2010
wilderness lady wrote:
To: Common Sense
When the Park Service puts the Great Smoky Mountain National Park into wilderness, then nobody will have a say about what happens on their land. There will be Buffer Zones, Subzones and Transition Zones, that will affect all Swain County people.
I'm not sure what this has to do with the subject at hand, but I really think this is an extreme viewpoint.
Concerned

Greensboro, NC

#11 Feb 18, 2010
I think you have hit on the main area of disagreement. Is the sanctity of the substation more important than the sanctity of the site? I don't believe that the only solution to this problem is building a substation on that particular site. The substation has not been built and you are already saying it can't be "moved". The Cherokee certainly cannot move the Kituwah site. Are you telling me there is no other spot along the power line that can be used?
Common Sense

Shreveport, LA

#12 Feb 18, 2010
If you're familiar with the Hyatt's Creek area you will note this is indeed the area where the high voltage lines take off toward Cherokee. Another issue is that Duke did all the right things up front, such as filing for permits,ect. There are also other things in that area within eyeshot of the Mound that are uglier than a power substation.
Please understand, I don't work for Duke, none of my family does, and the only financial concern I have is that my power bills might go up. I just hate to think that the only solution is to move it to a location that costs a lot of money. All that expense will be paid eventually by Swain Co. residents.
AVATAR

United States

#13 Feb 18, 2010
I went to the meeting. I heard and saw what was being said. Duke energy got busted so many times in lies and cover ups and everything has not been put on the table yet. Their profits in 2009 was $300 million dollars. If you were not at the meeting you missed a lot! I am outraged at the cover up and they are busted over and over again. What kind of people do a survey in 2008 and know the land is sacred then tell us they did not know. It came out at the hearing. It was recorded. I WAS THERE TO THE PERSON WHO SAID THEY MEANT NO DISRESPECT THIS IS NOT AN ACCURATE STATEMENT. There is no excuse for disrespecting the ANCESTORS especially not to make a profit. You had to be there to hear exactly what they said!!!
AVATAR
Natalie Smith-Swain

Baltimore, MD

#15 Mar 4, 2010
The Hyatt Creek Substation is in fact NOT only for the casino. It is stated in a document you can find on the web titled "Transmissions Projects at a Glance 2008" on pp 22, EXACTLY why they are building this substation. It is needed for general growth in the area(Swain, Jackson, Cherokee mainly). It is going to boost power from the hydro plant in the Nantahala Gorge to the outdated Webster Substation and provide more needed power to Jackson Co (Western Carolina University, West Care, Wal-Mart, Lowes, SCC, Schools, Grocery Stores, homes, etc), Swain Co.(ComNet, Hospital, Schools, etc...) as well as Cherokee (Casino, Hospital, Schools, etc...) This project is necessary, but it is NOT necessary to place it in a beautiful, historically and culturally precious valley for EVERY citizen and tourist to see from now on. There are other locations where they can conduct their business AND our electricity. This is blatant disregard!
Natalie Smith-Swain

Baltimore, MD

#16 Mar 4, 2010
Duke energy has NOT filed ANY applications with the NC State Utilites Commission. The ONLY application they DID apply for was for Building. The man they contracted to do the Grading and Dozing of the site (Lewis Penland)filed it for them in a hurry on Feb. 8th 2010. He didn't even put his liscense number on the application! He just so happens to be the Chairman of the Macon County Planning Board who is going through tough negotiations on Steep Slope Regulations, yet he is getting PAID to take advantage of Swain County's lack of ordinances on such things.(They are neighbors!) What a SAD example of humanity!
Common sense

United States

#17 Mar 9, 2010
For the Swain County Commission to get involved in a First Amendment issue like this is unconstitutional. Freedom of religon also means freedom from religon, ours theirs, or anybodys.

Duke has the right, and hopefully the good sense, because any extra costs will show up on my power bill, to conduct commerce without regard religon.

The Cherokees didn't care that most of the people in NC were against gambling. Where was their sensitivity then?

If the indians scare Duke into cooperation what chance has any of us got if they take offense at our appearance?

And it's not like it's on the res either.
PRESERVE IT

Victor, MT

#18 Mar 9, 2010
Common sense wrote:
For the Swain County Commission to get involved in a First Amendment issue like this is unconstitutional. Freedom of religon also means freedom from religon, ours theirs, or anybodys.
Duke has the right, and hopefully the good sense, because any extra costs will show up on my power bill, to conduct commerce without regard religon.
The Cherokees didn't care that most of the people in NC were against gambling. Where was their sensitivity then?
If the indians scare Duke into cooperation what chance has any of us got if they take offense at our appearance?
And it's not like it's on the res either.
You are mixing 'religion' and cultural affairs.....the American founding fathers based a lot of their laws, etc. on religious principals......yet, the liberals today have forgotten that. It's their way or the highway. I personally don't care if your power bill goes up, the area needs to be protected for astetic reasons!
Common sense

United States

#19 Mar 11, 2010
And if they don't like the design of the house you plan to build within sight of their property? Are you going to get their approval of your plans before you build? What if they buy a different location and designate it "sacred"?

And let's hope you are a Duke customer and your bill goes up too.

This isn't a slippery slope; this is a vertical drop! Tank about your private property rights getting invalidated...
NO TO COMMON SENSE

Dahlonega, GA

#20 Mar 11, 2010
Common sense wrote:
And if they don't like the design of the house you plan to build within sight of their property? Are you going to get their approval of your plans before you build? What if they buy a different location and designate it "sacred"?
And let's hope you are a Duke customer and your bill goes up too.
This isn't a slippery slope; this is a vertical drop! Tank about your private property rights getting invalidated...
Apparently you've never heard of, nor lived in, a 'historic district'.......and like most liberals: it's your way (selfish) or the highway! Your roots or heritage doesn't matter, nor do any future generations, because you'll be dead and gone and it will be 'their' problem. The substation could easily be put into the area near the intersection of US 74 and US 441, already developed!
Save KituwahValley

United States

#21 Mar 22, 2010
The transmission line in question goes AWAY from Cherokee, to the West Mill substation in Macon County.

A contractor for Duke's Hyatt Tie-station project, Lewis Penland, recently purchased a Golf Course/Country Club in Macon County close to the West Mill substation.

Mainstream media is not providing the public with all the facts.

www.SaveKituwahValley.com

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