Citizens: Heat is a human right

'Heat is a human right! Heat is a human right! Heat is a human right!' rang out loud and clear at high noon in front of DTE Energy's downtown Detroit headquarters Dec. Full Story
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Skeeter

Detroit, MI

#1 Dec 18, 2010
With out it we will all die.
Tony

Plymouth, MI

#2 Dec 18, 2010
Free heat, medical, dental, food and shelter for all.
jsmith

New Baltimore, MI

#3 Dec 18, 2010
I guess it is too bad for me that I am one of the saps that decided to waste my life working for a living and paying my bills. I never got one of those tax rebates, cash for clunkers turned me down, no one gave me a "bail-out" and I didn't walk away from a mortgage. I don't even know how you sign up for welfare....I'm sure it doesn't apply to people like me anyhow. If and when I stop paying my utility bills, they will shut off my services. That is one of the many reasons I get up every day, work and pay my bills instead of getting a cell phone, new "rims" for my car, liquor or dope. I do a lot of things I don't want to do, but my house is warm and the lights are on.
Skeeter

Detroit, MI

#4 Dec 19, 2010
Every thing is for the paying customer.

“Resist or Die”

Since: Feb 10

Location hidden

#6 Dec 19, 2010
jsmith wrote:
I guess it is too bad for me that I am one of the saps that decided to waste my life working for a living and paying my bills. I never got one of those tax rebates, cash for clunkers turned me down, no one gave me a "bail-out" and I didn't walk away from a mortgage. I don't even know how you sign up for welfare....I'm sure it doesn't apply to people like me anyhow. If and when I stop paying my utility bills, they will shut off my services. That is one of the many reasons I get up every day, work and pay my bills instead of getting a cell phone, new "rims" for my car, liquor or dope. I do a lot of things I don't want to do, but my house is warm and the lights are on.
If you think it makes you a sap...stop doing it. If you think the "other side of the tracks" is easy come on and try it out. You don't even have to stop working, you can work as hard as you want every day- just get a minimum wage job.

You can believe all you want that poor people have an easy, "magical", and free life...But I bet you couldn't do it, I bet you couldn't be poor. I think your prolly like a lot of the middle class who recently joined the ranks of the indigent. With jobs that just up and vanished, and the crash of the housing market, a lot of people like you have found themselves in the welfare office. And they have had to wake up...Just wait till your job or buissness goes...Then tell us if Heat is a Human Right.
Skeeter

Detroit, MI

#7 Dec 19, 2010
FairyGothMother wrote:
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If you think it makes you a sap...stop doing it. If you think the "other side of the tracks" is easy come on and try it out. You don't even have to stop working, you can work as hard as you want every day- just get a minimum wage job.
You can believe all you want that poor people have an easy, "magical", and free life...But I bet you couldn't do it, I bet you couldn't be poor. I think your prolly like a lot of the middle class who recently joined the ranks of the indigent. With jobs that just up and vanished, and the crash of the housing market, a lot of people like you have found themselves in the welfare office. And they have had to wake up...Just wait till your job or buissness goes...Then tell us if Heat is a Human Right.
Look in the mirror maybe you can work in a michigan porn movie ?
jsmith

New Baltimore, MI

#8 Dec 19, 2010
None of what you said is true and I don't know what "prolly" means. The middle class is sick of paying for the slackers and lay abouts in Detroit.

“Resist or Die”

Since: Feb 10

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#9 Dec 20, 2010
Skeeter wrote:
<quoted text>Look in the mirror maybe you can work in a michigan porn movie ?
LOL, well-Thanks :) I guess...

Not sure what your point is...Yeah, sure- I know I can get paid for taking off my clothes. LOL, it's not like I don't get offers...I'm not desperate for money or anything though, I don't like money very much, and try not to get stuck with any of it.

I was talking about the people who are poor against their will and wishes. These "Newly Poor" folks who made 60,000 a few years ago, and now live on minimum wage. People who don't know how to live without buying things, how to survive without paying for things with money. Money they no longer have...

I would certainly not ask these people to prostitute themselves for the "luxury" of having heat in the winter, or for any of the things that we should be proud to say not one of our neighbors lacks. As a human being I would much rather be poor among the poor, but have everyone have what they need, then be rich and have my neighbor lack food, housing or heat.
Boon

United States

#10 Dec 20, 2010
jsmith wrote:
None of what you said is true and I don't know what "muh dik" means. The middle class is sick of paying for the niggers and other various shitskins in Detroit.
Right on sista.

“Resist or Die”

Since: Feb 10

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#11 Dec 20, 2010
jsmith wrote:
None of what you said is true and I don't know what "prolly" means. The middle class is sick of paying for the slackers and lay abouts in Detroit.
OK, well, I'm not sure why your calling me a liar. I guess you are just mad about your life, or something, and need someone to blame. I do know the world I live in, and I'm not just making stuff up out of thin air...

If it really was just wonderful and easy to be poor, wouldn't that be the goal, then? Wouldn't young people sit around and fantasize about growing up to be poor? Wouldn't that be Your real goal in life, to be nice and poor someday? I mean, why would anybody ever try NOT to be poor? Why are you working? Really, if it's easy and fun, people try to do it...whatever it is. I'm not making up the trials faced by people who don't have enough, it really is hard to be poor.

And if I wrong, or lying, or whatever you are saying- then it's only your own fault your Not poor, and whatever trials you face from your long years of work without reward are what you choose-despite the fact you could be poor whenever you want. So, I can't really find sympathy for someone who believes they have chosen the hard road, but refuses to even try to walk another.

A LOT of the middle class have lost their jobs and homes. They fell down, and now they aren't middle class anymore...They are poor. I'm not making that up either. They are people like you, who had good jobs and nice houses and a good education. Two cars, and health insurance. But all that has happened over the past several years took them by surprise. Now they are at the bottom, they are really freaked out, and they don't know how to be poor.

Some of them still talk like you. They still don't see themselves as poor. They get angry, and frustrated, and desperate, and talk about all the years they have worked, and all they did or were. But now they're saying it in welfare offices, and the employment office. They feel they should be taken care of better and longer then the "regular poor", the people who were always poor...They feel that all their years of work should count for something now that they have fallen down, and that the welfare folks should have more for them. How can they live on this? It's not enough to survive! LOL. Yeah, there are a lot of "newly poor" and they are not hard to spot...They are the ones wearing two year old $100 shoes at the food bank.

I feel sorry for them. They are much more broken by poverty then lifers like me. I try to help them, if they seem willing to listen...

No, I'm not lying, but you probably don't care. Your worried about yourself, and your stuff, money, whatever...Not people without heat. If that's your thing, fine. Take care of yourself, hope you find a way to keep all that money to yourself if that's what would make you happy with your life. I don't think I'd want your life though...

But I'm not too worried about stuff, or money, just those folks who are cold and hungry and scared. I still believe Heat Is a Human Right, so that's what I'll be doing...

Oh! and Prolly=Probably. It's just text talk.
BetterOff Dead

Covington, VA

#12 Dec 20, 2010
They are.

“Resist or Die”

Since: Feb 10

Location hidden

#13 Dec 20, 2010
Boon wrote:
<quoted text>Right on sista.
Well, your kind of sucky, aren't you?

“Resist or Die”

Since: Feb 10

Location hidden

#14 Dec 20, 2010
BetterOff Dead wrote:
They are.
And your even more sucky...Geez, talk about unhappy people...and I bet you all have what you need...so, why are you sooo unhappy? Guess there is more to being happy then having money...? Or maybe you just don't know How to be happy? Or nice...
Boon

United States

#15 Dec 21, 2010
FairyGothMother wrote:
<quoted text>
Well, you`re kind of niggy, aren't you?
Just keepin` it real, nah mean?
Trey

Northville, MI

#16 Dec 21, 2010
Well Iz can't pay my billz cuz of diz dum whittie driver fee they chargin me. Who woulda thunk dey suspend ur lisense afta 12 points! 2ho whoulda thunk dey charge u more fee for getting caught drivin with no lisense! Nowz my heatz got shut off cuz dat dumb whittie judge took all my monies. I say free heat fo all. Cantcha hook a brotha up! Naw meh!!!

Since: Apr 08

Edison, NJ

#17 Dec 21, 2010
jsmith wrote:
I guess it is too bad for me that I am one of the saps that decided to waste my life working for a living and paying my bills. I never got one of those tax rebates, cash for clunkers turned me down, no one gave me a "bail-out" and I didn't walk away from a mortgage. I don't even know how you sign up for welfare....I'm sure it doesn't apply to people like me anyhow. If and when I stop paying my utility bills, they will shut off my services. That is one of the many reasons I get up every day, work and pay my bills instead of getting a cell phone, new "rims" for my car, liquor or dope. I do a lot of things I don't want to do, but my house is warm and the lights are on.
Darn I'm one also; who worked hard during the day, studied into the night even when time were a booming. No breaks or hands out. I guess I just pay for all those to lazy to do it themselves.

“Resist or Die”

Since: Feb 10

Location hidden

#18 Dec 23, 2010
Skeeter

Oak Park, MI

#19 Dec 23, 2010
One world gov.socialize every thing,Obama is god,hahahahaha.....
Tony

Plymouth, MI

#20 Dec 23, 2010
FairyGothMother wrote:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v =obho7uBg3-AXX
http://www.youtube.com/watch...
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Good videos and most of those people were doing better than homeless people on the street. I noted a couple who should have saved something for the bad times when they had huge incomes. I wonder if they will take heed when employed again and whether they will succeed in passing on the lesson to kids and grand kids. My parents were successful in passing the frugal message on to two out of three kids and one out of two grand kids.

“Resist or Die”

Since: Feb 10

Location hidden

#21 Dec 24, 2010
Tony wrote:
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Good videos and most of those people were doing better than homeless people on the street. I noted a couple who should have saved something for the bad times when they had huge incomes. I wonder if they will take heed when employed again and whether they will succeed in passing on the lesson to kids and grand kids. My parents were successful in passing the frugal message on to two out of three kids and one out of two grand kids.
I agree, they should have had some money for bad times. They worked hard but failed to see the end coming, they just never imagined times could get That bad. They were taken by surprise and didn't have a plan B.

These are exactly the kind of people that are filling the ranks of the indigent, and unemployed. They are changing the demographics of poverty. They haven't been poor, they have always worked hard and paid their own way. Now, suddenly, thousands upon thousands of these middle class, hard working, well educated folks are joining the ranks of the lower class. They don't know How to be poor, and they are falling hard and fast because of that.

They need help with things like heat, food and housing (just like the "regular poor") but they aren't good at stretching it, making it work and finding ways to eek by. The organizations that are available to the poor with aid are being inundated, more people, more need- but not more resources. They are competing against people who already know how to be poor for what little there is to go around.

Some people were smart enough to have a savings, and many have been living off their savings, hoping to turn things around. They can't live off it forever though, and it's becoming more competitive to find any kind of work-not less. As the folks who had "bad day savings" scrap the bottom of the barrel to get by, they are starting to join the less farsighted in welfare lines.

I guess I can't understand how their fellows, their peers, can so easily dismiss them as "lazy", "drug users", "who don't want to work"? These are the same people who shared their neighborhoods, worked and played with them... Now they don't deserve heat? I mean, I expect these folks to look down on me, begrudge me and my peers a hand up. I mean, I can't imagine living like I imagine the middle class does. It's like we're from different worlds, so I don't expect any respect for my choices or lifestyle. But the people who need so much help now? Just dismiss them as lazy? It's totally weird to me. You'd think they would want to help out these folks as much as they could...Pull together, like. Helping hand to your neighbor and all that.

Well, I don't know, I just think they should have a little empathy. But what do I know?

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