JonBenet case full of myths, short on...

JonBenet case full of myths, short on facts

There are 35 comments on the Pueblo Chieftain story from Dec 27, 2006, titled JonBenet case full of myths, short on facts. In it, Pueblo Chieftain reports that:

The current issue of Globe magazine, one of the popular supermarket tabloids, has an artist's rendition of what 16-year-old JonBenet Ramsey might look like today if she hadn't been murdered during Christmas ...

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Henrietta McPhee

Bristol, UK

#1 Dec 27, 2006
I think the Denver Post, and Chuck Green, have always been biased unfairly against the innocent Ramseys, rather like the Globe.

Where does Chuck Green get all this stuff, and lies, about the side of the bed Patsy was sleeping on supposedly being undisturbed. It doesn't come from a phone call from Fleet White for a big fat fee from the Denver Post does it?

I think the Boulder Daily Camera under its former editor Barrie Hartman, and even the Rocky Mountain News, has always tried to be fair, and just, to the innocent Ramseys.

This is the kind of nonsense I'm complaining about. There is no reason on earth why Fleet White can't be candid about what he knows about the Ramsey case. He has nothing to fear if he's innocent.

Fleet White is protecting himself with silence. One must ask the reason why. I think Fleet White should fully explain his suspicions so that he can be given a hostile interrogaton about what he knows about JonBenet's murder:

This is some of the nonsense Chuck Green wrote recently:

"There is a myth that there isnít any available evidence that hasnít been secured. However, Fleet White, a close friend of JonBenetís father, still hasnít been confident enough with the integrity of the investigation to fully explain his suspicions - and he was with John Ramsey when his daughterís body was discovered in a basement storage room."
Patricia Fox

Marietta, GA

#2 Dec 27, 2006
Henrietta, if you look at those crime scene photos made of various locations in the house, there is one in particular of John and Patsy's bedroom that does appear that maybe only half of bed slept in..

I can't say whose half of the bed that was but it is pretty obvious..
gink

Edison, NJ

#3 Dec 27, 2006
Henrietta McPhee wrote:
I think the Denver Post, and Chuck Green, have always been biased unfairly against the innocent Ramseys, rather like the Globe.
the bias has changed..you and us have to live in a silent period because of the change of bias.... wait n see mode. This is about what and who arn't being mentioned...media in appropriate mode.

This case is about ransom note comprehension and media uniformally dealing with this unusual set of issues in media being very good journalism as of late...together.(united)
Justice seeker

Lewiston, ID

#4 Dec 27, 2006
From a photo? What if they slept cuddled up to each other? My hubby and I sleep on one side of the bed- his. I cuddle up next to him and he throws his arm around me. we could sleep in a twin bed together. lol.
Patricia Fox

Marietta, GA

#5 Dec 27, 2006
Justice seeker wrote:
From a photo? What if they slept cuddled up to each other? My hubby and I sleep on one side of the bed- his. I cuddle up next to him and he throws his arm around me. we could sleep in a twin bed together. lol.
Absolutely agree. Very possible they could have slept cuddled in that small section of the bed...HOWEVER, based on everything else, I sort of doubt it.
joejam

Oklahoma City, OK

#6 Dec 27, 2006
I agree that Fleet White could do some justice for JonBenet if he would talk instead of keeping silent...even if his suspicions say the parents....She was a child....but no one that could talk seem to want to come out and talk. That to me is suspicious....fear of lawsuits , I guess..
JACK

Knoxville, TN

#7 Dec 27, 2006
Joejam you can bet on one thing,if it makes you feel better.Patsy didn't have anything to do with killing JB and I really don't think John was involved.but then I don't know everything.I'm just like everyone else,except for one thing.and we want start that discussion at this time.it upsets to many people.I'm sure you've read some of my old posts,we leave it there.
I'm looking at all evidence right now to help me tie things together,just like the rest of you.keep an open mind.listen and learn.
Vivian

AOL

#8 Dec 27, 2006
joejam wrote:
I agree that Fleet White could do some justice for JonBenet if he would talk instead of keeping silent...even if his suspicions say the parents....She was a child....but no one that could talk seem to want to come out and talk. That to me is suspicious....fear of lawsuits , I guess..
Fear of lawsuits is equal to blackmail. If FW knows the truth but fears a lawsuit, that can only mean he's been blackmailed.
spinker

Lancaster, WI

#9 Dec 27, 2006
"The reality is that JonBenetís aunt, Pam Paugh, was allowed to cart boxes full of the familyís belongings out of the house a couple of days after the murder, disturbing forensic evidence in several rooms - including JonBenetís bedroom.

...that's where the dolls were

For all intents and purposes, the case is dead - at least as long as DA Lacy is in command. She has shown no interest in pursuing still-open aspects of the investigation, because they involve the possible incrimination of Patsy Ramsey in the death of her own daughter."

still open aspects... question John and Pam about the dolls

http://www.geocities.com/pinker44

Thanks Chuck!

“Beauty is Truth,Truth Beauty”

Since: Dec 06

Buford, GA

#10 Dec 27, 2006
spinker wrote:
"The reality is that JonBenetís aunt, Pam Paugh, was allowed to cart boxes full of the familyís belongings out of the house a couple of days after the murder, disturbing forensic evidence in several rooms - including JonBenetís bedroom.
...that's where the dolls were
For all intents and purposes, the case is dead - at least as long as DA Lacy is in command. She has shown no interest in pursuing still-open aspects of the investigation, because they involve the possible incrimination of Patsy Ramsey in the death of her own daughter."
still open aspects... question John and Pam about the dolls
http://www.geocities.com/pinker44
Thanks Chuck!
Because you continue to change your poster name, I give no credit to what you have to say. Changing your name so often really bothers me.
joejam

Oklahoma City, OK

#11 Dec 28, 2006
me too Victory
g girl on the fence

Topeka, KS

#12 Dec 28, 2006
spinker wrote:
"The reality is that JonBenetís aunt, Pam Paugh, was allowed to cart boxes full of the familyís belongings out of the house a couple of days after the murder, disturbing forensic evidence in several rooms - including JonBenetís bedroom.
...that's where the dolls were
For all intents and purposes, the case is dead - at least as long as DA Lacy is in command. She has shown no interest in pursuing still-open aspects of the investigation, because they involve the possible incrimination of Patsy Ramsey in the death of her own daughter."
still open aspects... question John and Pam about the dolls
http://www.geocities.com/pinker44
Thanks Chuck!
Why not ask the PBD? They've been trying to build a case against the Ramseys for ten years. They would have all that information. They were there.
They know whose badge, whose jacket. They no doubt saw the list, if there was one. The boxes went into their squad car.
spinker

Portage, MI

#13 Dec 28, 2006
The person or people who gave Pam Paugh the jacket and badge to wear know who they belonged to and it's not necessarily anyone in the BPD. Many DA employees would have had badges and jackets with LE insignas of some sort.

This is why Pam Paugh needs to be questioned as to who handed her the 'disguise'. I'm not sure the BPD saw the list at all as you are. Perhaps 'saw' it in her hand but didn't read it. I wonder how the handwriting would have compared to the ransom note...

Again Pam needs to be questioned as to who wrote the list, who saw the list, who knew about the list, and then some...

http://www.geocities.oc m/pinker44
Justice seeker

Lewiston, ID

#14 Dec 28, 2006
Vivian wrote:
<quoted text>
Fear of lawsuits is equal to blackmail. If FW knows the truth but fears a lawsuit, that can only mean he's been blackmailed.
How can one be sued if they are not lying and can prove it?
Candy

AOL

#15 Jan 31, 2007
I have listened and watched all that I could of this case.Because,this is a real tragic thing.I don't understand when they say that when John and Fleet White searched the house and went down to the wine cellar,that John had to unlock the door.If the door was locked from the outside and,no signs of forced entry then the person had to be in the house.I have always felt strongly that the parents either did it or know more than they led on.It is just really suspicious.
Henrietta McPhee

Bristol, UK

#16 Jan 31, 2007
I'm sorry but I can't follow Candy's logic there. I may be missing something in what she's saying.

Fleet White went down to the wine cellar door first thing that morning 26th December 1996 and opened the wine cellar JonBenet death room door. That's a FACT. That's EVIDENCE. Fleet White doesn't deny that happened. It's mentioned to have happened in the Judge Carnes ruling.

The only question to be asked then is whether Fleet locked, or latched, the door behind him when he closed that wine cellar door, or whether perhaps Fleet left that door open. I suppose that question was probably asked of Fleet during his deposition in the Chris Wolf case.

I don't know if Candy knows the answer to that question. Fleet's depositoon is sealed. I don't know what Fleet said about the matter. None of Fleet's statements have ever been made public.

The only logical explanation is that Fleet White must have locked, or latched, that wine cellar door, that is unless Candy can prove that anybody else latched the door.

Since: Jan 07

North Wilkesboro, NC

#17 Jan 31, 2007
Pam went in the house to get a few things - and while she was there, she saw other things she wanted to take -- and those in charge gave her permission to take those things.

They kept a list, nothing seemed related to the crime at all.

Those who point the finger at the Ramseys and use Pam's visit to the house as some sort of "evidence of cover-up" are truly stretching for a fantasy they will never prove.

(The cord was NOT like that on any doll -- the cord matched nothing in the house. The tape matched nothing in the house and Pam didn't remove any duct tape that morning. She didn't plant DNA on JBR's body or plant the rope in JAR's room. She didn't wet the bed or eat pineapple. The BORG needs to just give it up.)
Patricia Fox

Marietta, GA

#18 Jan 31, 2007
jameson wrote:
Pam went in the house to get a few things - and while she was there, she saw other things she wanted to take -- and those in charge gave her permission to take those things.
They kept a list, nothing seemed related to the crime at all.
Those who point the finger at the Ramseys and use Pam's visit to the house as some sort of "evidence of cover-up" are truly stretching for a fantasy they will never prove.
(The cord was NOT like that on any doll -- the cord matched nothing in the house. The tape matched nothing in the house and Pam didn't remove any duct tape that morning. She didn't plant DNA on JBR's body or plant the rope in JAR's room. She didn't wet the bed or eat pineapple. The BORG needs to just give it up.)
We feel exactly the same way about IDI's..You will never find an intruder.. because there wasn't one...IMO
jahinkerat

Lewiston, ID

#19 Jan 31, 2007
jameson wrote:
The cord was NOT like that on any doll -- the cord matched nothing in the house. The tape matched nothing in the house and Pam didn't remove any duct tape that morning.
The contention has never been the cord came off the doll. IT IS THE DUCT TAPE.

Now that John Mark Karr has been pictured with and quoted about a 'fascination' with dolls the investigation should question John Ramsey about the dolls he removed from the crime scene. And what on earth did he do to or 'with' the duplicate doll delivered to his office after JonBenet was buried?

http://www.geocities.com/pinker44
Dots

AOL

#20 Jan 31, 2007
JR did not remove any dolls from the house.

So what if he ordered a doll to be delivered to the office? Perhaps the doll could not be found in stores so he ordered it, it was back ordered and arrived too late for Christmas. By that time, PR or someone else had located the doll.

Forget the dolls. They are a non-issue.

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