Albany's Cooper Tire plant closing; 1,400 to lose jobs

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With tax incentives and worker concessions, four cities in four states vied to keep their Cooper Tire and Rubber Co.

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Jobs lost

Ashburn, VA

#1 Dec 18, 2008
obama's new environmental initiatives will spell doom for lots of heavy industry. New taxes and the continuation of expensive affirmative action laws that disallow companies from hiring the best qualified workers in favor of racial preferences all contribute to the un-profitability of American businesses.
bimbo obama

Ashburn, VA

#2 Dec 18, 2008
Mass layoffs, plant closings, downsizing. Businesses are preparing for a business un-friendly obama presidency.
The anticipated costs of healthcare, tax increases, and new environmental regulations are already costing jobs nationwide.
Government Regulations

Ashburn, VA

#3 Dec 19, 2008
Georgia has been losing its heavy industry due to environmental regulations for the last 30 years. GM's Lakewood Plant closed 25 years ago and sold what should have been a $100 million property for $5 million because the polluted land was almost worthless. The EPA granted buyer, Mindis Recycling, a pollution waiver that they refused to grant to GM.
Atlantic Steel Plant closed down due to environmental regulations 25 years ago. The EPA again granted the re-developer an environmental waiver that they refused to grant to Atlantic Steel. It's Atlantic Station now.
The Atlanta Ford Plant closed due to environmental regulations two years ago. And, the very same property is currently being re-developed.
The GM plant in Doraville closed down this past August.

“Did U plug the damn hole yet?”

Since: Jan 08

Richardson, TX

#4 Dec 19, 2008
This is sad news.

I just bought a set of Cooper tires.

The price was competative and the quality seems to be very good.

"Cooper Chief Executive Officer Roy Armes said the company has been hurt by lower priced imports and softening U.S. demand."

This is a good example of where tariffs are needed to protect American jobs.

Add a 50% duty to those cheap Chinese imports and more Americans will be able to pay the mortgage on their homes.
Bad deal

Ashburn, VA

#6 Dec 19, 2008
I went to a tire store that carried all brands. They showed me the Pirelli tire that had previously been Consumer Reports recommended Best Buy. They also showed me the American made Goodyear that had bumped the Pirelli tire out of first place by Consumer Reports as their current Best Buy. They then showed me the Toyo tire, made in China, and said they recommended that tire for my car.
Why would they recommend an inferior tire in place of the Consumer Reports recommended tires? All tires were the same price so the tire store made much more money on the Toyo tire is why. They weren't even passing along the savings to the customers.

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Since: Jan 08

Richardson, TX

#7 Dec 20, 2008
Bad deal wrote:
I went to a tire store that carried all brands. They showed me the Pirelli tire that had previously been Consumer Reports recommended Best Buy. They also showed me the American made Goodyear that had bumped the Pirelli tire out of first place by Consumer Reports as their current Best Buy. They then showed me the Toyo tire, made in China, and said they recommended that tire for my car.
Why would they recommend an inferior tire in place of the Consumer Reports recommended tires? All tires were the same price so the tire store made much more money on the Toyo tire is why. They weren't even passing along the savings to the customers.
Contact the corporate office and tell them you appreciate American retailers who actively sell American-made products.

4-Day Tire Stores carries Cooper tires and Discount Tires does not.

I bought my Cooper tires from 4-Day Tires and sent Discount Tires a disparaging e-mail.

They (Discount Tires) can ignore one person like me but they won't ignore thousands of consumers who tell them the same thing.
Made in USA

Ashburn, VA

#8 Dec 20, 2008
Mac-7 wrote:
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Contact the corporate office and tell them you appreciate American retailers who actively sell American-made products.
4-Day Tire Stores carries Cooper tires and Discount Tires does not.
I bought my Cooper tires from 4-Day Tires and sent Discount Tires a disparaging e-mail.
They (Discount Tires) can ignore one person like me but they won't ignore thousands of consumers who tell them the same thing.
I went to the Discount Tires store this year and asked for Goodyears made in the U.S. Their specification literature didn't list the country of manufacture. I made the store clerk pull some tires from stock to look on the tires and read the country of Manufacture. We found out the tires I wanted were indeed made in USA so I had them order me a set.

“Did U plug the damn hole yet?”

Since: Jan 08

Richardson, TX

#9 Dec 20, 2008
Made in USA wrote:
<quoted text>I went to the Discount Tires store this year and asked for Goodyears made in the U.S. Their specification literature didn't list the country of manufacture. I made the store clerk pull some tires from stock to look on the tires and read the country of Manufacture. We found out the tires I wanted were indeed made in USA so I had them order me a set.
That's why I like Cooper tires.

As far as I know all their plants are in the US.

But domestic Goodyears are fine also.

Americans complain about "greedy" corporations that export American jobs but then go into a store and buy a foreign product because it costs a little less.

We aren't going to survive as a leading nation if aren't more diligent than that.
Goodyear

Fairport, NY

#11 Dec 20, 2008
Mac-7 wrote:
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That's why I like Cooper tires.
As far as I know all their plants are in the US.
But domestic Goodyears are fine also.
Americans complain about "greedy" corporations that export American jobs but then go into a store and buy a foreign product because it costs a little less.
We aren't going to survive as a leading nation if aren't more diligent than that.
The new Goodyear plant in Alabama is high tech, clean, and uses very little labor. It is, however, American from top to bottom and produces a new generation of high quality tires.
The new design Goodyear Eagle is far superior to the previous Eagle and even allows a wider tire on the same rim due to the new offset shoulder design. Those tires handle like a race car tire, are strong, and wear well too.

Be advised; Goodyear makes tires in foreign countries too. Read the side of the tire to find the country of manufacture.

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Since: Jan 08

Richardson, TX

#12 Dec 21, 2008
Goodyear wrote:
<quoted text>The new Goodyear plant in Alabama is high tech, clean, and uses very little labor. It is, however, American from top to bottom and produces a new generation of high quality tires.
The new design Goodyear Eagle is far superior to the previous Eagle and even allows a wider tire on the same rim due to the new offset shoulder design. Those tires handle like a race car tire, are strong, and wear well too.
Be advised; Goodyear makes tires in foreign countries too. Read the side of the tire to find the country of manufacture.
As I said, Goodyears made in this country benefit our economy by employing American workers.

It's much better than buying a cheap Chinese tire that costs American jobs and hurts our economy.
Handicapped

Ashburn, VA

#13 Dec 21, 2008
Mac-7 wrote:
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As I said, Goodyears made in this country benefit our economy by employing American workers.
It's much better than buying a cheap Chinese tire that costs American jobs and hurts our economy.
Buying American made products is good for all of us, as long as there is enough competition to keep prices affordable for buyers. Unfortunately, it's government regulations that drive costs up for American companies. Environmental compliance costs, affirmative action costs, labor laws, workplace safety laws, all add costs to American made products.

My company studied all the OSHA regulations and made a very long list of rules that guaranteed that if an employee got injured on the job he had to have violated a company safety rule. Employees were fired or reprimanded for safety violations while the company was relieved of all liability in every case. The company still had the excessive costs of recording, reporting, and posting safety violations.
Other countries simply don't have the same kinds of government regulations that cost American companies billions of dollars.
Show me another country that requires companies to disregard the performance and competence of employees in favor of forced hiring of handicapped and minority workers.

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Since: Jan 08

Richardson, TX

#14 Dec 21, 2008
Handicapped wrote:
<quoted text>Buying American made products is good for all of us, as long as there is enough competition to keep prices affordable for buyers. Unfortunately, it's government regulations that drive costs up for American companies. Environmental compliance costs, affirmative action costs, labor laws, workplace safety laws, all add costs to American made products.
My company studied all the OSHA regulations and made a very long list of rules that guaranteed that if an employee got injured on the job he had to have violated a company safety rule. Employees were fired or reprimanded for safety violations while the company was relieved of all liability in every case. The company still had the excessive costs of recording, reporting, and posting safety violations.
Other countries simply don't have the same kinds of government regulations that cost American companies billions of dollars.
Show me another country that requires companies to disregard the performance and competence of employees in favor of forced hiring of handicapped and minority workers.
China certainly isn't bothered by having to pay high wages or employing unsuitable workers.
Cheap China

Ashburn, VA

#15 Dec 21, 2008
Mac-7 wrote:
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China certainly isn't bothered by having to pay high wages or employing unsuitable workers.
China doesn't even pay to educate it's people beyond basic literacy. Peasant workers don't need a high school education and the rest only get standard math, science, language, and loads of communist principles and government indoctrination. There is no workmen's compensation and no government health care except for emergency room and you have to get yourself to the emergency room.

“Did U plug the damn hole yet?”

Since: Jan 08

Richardson, TX

#16 Dec 22, 2008
Cheap China wrote:
<quoted text>China doesn't even pay to educate it's people beyond basic literacy. Peasant workers don't need a high school education and the rest only get standard math, science, language, and loads of communist principles and government indoctrination. There is no workmen's compensation and no government health care except for emergency room and you have to get yourself to the emergency room.
Don't underestimate the Chinese.

Many workers do not get a great education.

But the Chinese are careful to identify good students with potential and give them world-class educations.

And there are a lot of them.

For instance they graduate about 10 times more engineers than the US does.

So does India which is judged to have one of the two or three best engineering schools IN THE WORLD.

With that many minds at work who knows what new technology they might come up with in the future?

I'm very impressed with the Chinese, and also very worried about our future if we don't make a greater effort to keep up with them.
Kiss your job goodbye

Ashburn, VA

#17 Dec 22, 2008
Mac-7 wrote:
<quoted text>
Don't underestimate the Chinese.
Many workers do not get a great education.
But the Chinese are careful to identify good students with potential and give them world-class educations.
And there are a lot of them.
For instance they graduate about 10 times more engineers than the US does.
So does India which is judged to have one of the two or three best engineering schools IN THE WORLD.
With that many minds at work who knows what new technology they might come up with in the future?
I'm very impressed with the Chinese, and also very worried about our future if we don't make a greater effort to keep up with them.
All of which is illegal in the U.S.

Gifted classes have been declared racist since blacks can't keep up with the most advanced white and Asian students. American education is all about pouring extra funds into the slow learners or lose the money all together. Most schools have adopted a strategy of crimping the advancement of the average students so that progress in catching up minorities looks better on paper. If schools spent the same time and money on advanced students and average students then minorities would actually be further behind by comparison.

It's useless for whites to become engineers in America. The extreme shortage of black engineers causes automatic discrimination lawsuits every time a white engineer is hired. Companies do without engineers rather that hire a white or to search for black engineers that don't exist.

Affirmative action laws have hurt American businesses for 40 years. Many companies have moved overseas where restrictive laws don't exist. Foreign corporations are kicking our butts and will continue to do so until regulations become more fair. Don't look for any help from obama. His plan is to increase government regulations for the next four years.
happy dance

Ashburn, VA

#18 Dec 26, 2008
Government Regulations wrote:
Georgia has been losing its heavy industry due to environmental regulations for the last 30 years. GM's Lakewood Plant closed 25 years ago and sold what should have been a $100 million property for $5 million because the polluted land was almost worthless. The EPA granted buyer, Mindis Recycling, a pollution waiver that they refused to grant to GM.
Atlantic Steel Plant closed down due to environmental regulations 25 years ago. The EPA again granted the re-developer an environmental waiver that they refused to grant to Atlantic Steel. It's Atlantic Station now.
The Atlanta Ford Plant closed due to environmental regulations two years ago. And, the very same property is currently being re-developed.
The GM plant in Doraville closed down this past August.
Cooper Tire employees can thank government environmental regulations for their job losses. Look for Cooper Tire to box up their tire equipment and sell it to China.
China will pollute all they want to and sell the Cooper tires back to us.
The liberal environmentalists are dancing in the streets over this plant closing and plan to do lots more dancing under obama's promised riddance of pollution sources from American soil.
Wonder if China will give us foreign aid to deal with starving, out of work Americans after four years of obama?

“Did U plug the damn hole yet?”

Since: Jan 08

Richardson, TX

#19 Dec 26, 2008
happy dance wrote:
<quoted text>Cooper Tire employees can thank government environmental regulations for their job losses. Look for Cooper Tire to box up their tire
It isn't only the environmentalists.

But they have done more than their share to drive manufacturing away from this country.

I think a generation of Americans who have been given everything and never had to struggle simply became to lazy to make things anymore.

They could just import it from China and then everyone was happy.

Including the Chinese who are more than willing to take our place as the next great economic superpower.
john

Phenix City, AL

#20 Dec 26, 2008
buy bfgoodrich or uniroyal
Buy American

Ashburn, VA

#21 Dec 27, 2008
john wrote:
buy bfgoodrich or uniroyal
Buy 'Made in USA'.

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Since: Jan 08

Richardson, TX

#22 Dec 27, 2008
Buy American wrote:
<quoted text>Buy 'Made in USA'.
That's not always easy unless to think to read the fine print.

I just bought a small lamp at Fry's that had a big, bold, red, white and blue stars and stripes tag proclaiming "AMERICAN LIGHTING."

Well guess what?

Open the box and look on the bottom of the lamp and you'll find it's made in China.

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