New Rules For Virginia Sex Offenders?

New Rules For Virginia Sex Offenders?

There are 104 comments on the WUSA Washington, DC story from Nov 8, 2007, titled New Rules For Virginia Sex Offenders?. In it, WUSA Washington, DC reports that:

CHESAPEAKE, Va. -- Chesapeake leaders want to add community centers, parks and maybe even libraries to the list of places that sex offenders can't approach.

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fed up with the mess

United States

#22 Jan 7, 2008
Good. Sex offenders are the scum of the earth! Do anything and everything to make it hard for them to live.

NateKnuckles

“"Knuckle Busting Fun!"”

Since: Nov 07

"DC" Where Else?

#23 Jan 7, 2008
When I wake my wife up at 3:00am in the morning and ask her for a little sex. She says that hour of the night is offensive!

I guess that makes me a sex offender! LMAO!
fed up with the mess

United States

#24 Jan 7, 2008
NateKnuckles wrote:
When I wake my wife up at 3:00am in the morning and ask her for a little sex. She says that hour of the night is offensive!
I guess that makes me a sex offender! LMAO!
Not even close.....smile
Ocean56

AOL

#25 Jan 8, 2008
fed up with the mess wrote:
Good. Sex offenders are the scum of the earth! Do anything and everything to make it hard for them to live.
Great, and if YOU are ever falsely or mistakenly accused of being a "sex offender," I hope you have a danged good attorney. Otherwise, you won't stand a chance in a criminal courtroom, be it in Chesapeake, VA or anywhere else in the country.

Once anyone is accused, the accusation automatically becomes the "evidence," and no investigation is made to see whether an accuser had an axe to grind and may have lied about the whole thing. Think such a thing like a false accusation could never happen to you? Think again. All that's needed is a malicious person with a grudge.

Ocean
IMAGINARY gods have NO jurisdiction
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believe

Fairfax, VA

#26 Jan 8, 2008
If child molesters were in jail where they belong, it wouldnt be an issue. The pros say they cant be cured so why parole/probation any of them?
fed up with the mess

United States

#27 Jan 8, 2008
Ocean56 wrote:
<quoted text>
Great, and if YOU are ever falsely or mistakenly accused of being a "sex offender," I hope you have a danged good attorney. Otherwise, you won't stand a chance in a criminal courtroom, be it in Chesapeake, VA or anywhere else in the country.
Once anyone is accused, the accusation automatically becomes the "evidence," and no investigation is made to see whether an accuser had an axe to grind and may have lied about the whole thing. Think such a thing like a false accusation could never happen to you? Think again. All that's needed is a malicious person with a grudge.
Ocean
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Sorry. I would never even put myself in a position to be falsely accused of being a sexual pervert!!!!
fed up with the mess

United States

#28 Jan 8, 2008
Ocean56 wrote:
<quoted text>
Great, and if YOU are ever falsely or mistakenly accused of being a "sex offender," I hope you have a danged good attorney. Otherwise, you won't stand a chance in a criminal courtroom, be it in Chesapeake, VA or anywhere else in the country.
Once anyone is accused, the accusation automatically becomes the "evidence," and no investigation is made to see whether an accuser had an axe to grind and may have lied about the whole thing. Think such a thing like a false accusation could never happen to you? Think again. All that's needed is a malicious person with a grudge.
Ocean
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I am not talking about crimes such as date rape because that can go either way, but crimes against children and stranger rape. I have no sympathy for them.
Ocean56

AOL

#29 Jan 8, 2008
fed up with the mess wrote:
<quoted text>Sorry. I would never even put myself in a position to be falsely accused of being a sexual pervert!!!!
Guess what, "genius," you don't have to. All you have to do is piss off the wrong person. And the wrong person could be anyone, including someone in your own family circle. False accusations of "child molestation" are especially common in nasty separation, divorce and custody cases where the parents have children. False accusations of either child molestation or rape are also common in non-marital relationship breakups.

Contrary to the "false accusations are very rare" assertion put out by law enforcement and other groups, they are more common than you have been led to believe. But hey, believe whatever you want. Better hope for your sake that you are right, and if not, that you have enough funds to hire an experienced criminal defense attorney who specializes in sex crimes cases.

Ocean
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Ocean56

AOL

#30 Jan 8, 2008
fed up with the mess wrote:
<quoted text>I am not talking about crimes such as date rape because that can go either way, but crimes against children and stranger rape. I have no sympathy for them.
I have no sympathy for false accusers of such crimes either, and anyone who does make a malicious false accusation, when the accuser knows no crime has been committed, should be charged with some kind of criminal offense him/herself.

False accusations of crimes against children DO occur quite frequently, whether you want to believe that or not. And anyone accused who does not have the money to hire both a good attorney and private investigator will almost certainly be wrongly convicted, in any U.S. criminal court.

Ocean
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fed up with the mess

United States

#31 Jan 8, 2008
Ocean56 wrote:
<quoted text>
Guess what, "genius," you don't have to. All you have to do is piss off the wrong person. And the wrong person could be anyone, including someone in your own family circle. False accusations of "child molestation" are especially common in nasty separation, divorce and custody cases where the parents have children. False accusations of either child molestation or rape are also common in non-marital relationship breakups.
Contrary to the "false accusations are very rare" assertion put out by law enforcement and other groups, they are more common than you have been led to believe. But hey, believe whatever you want. Better hope for your sake that you are right, and if not, that you have enough funds to hire an experienced criminal defense attorney who specializes in sex crimes cases.
Ocean
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Sounds like you are talking from experience.
Ron northern va

Silver Spring, MD

#32 Jan 8, 2008
OCEAN56 states she was 17 and had consensual sex with a guy of 19...if the law says you have to be 18 then it is not consensual..don't know why people say this all the time who are under age...The law clearly states if you are a minor that you can't CONSENT to a sexual act...Don't know how much clearer the law can be....Of course Ocean knew this because she didn't tell her parents.....
Ocean56

AOL

#33 Jan 9, 2008
fed up with the mess wrote:
<quoted text>Sounds like you are talking from experience.
Nope, not personal, but I know quite a few people who have had the nightmare experience of being deliberately and falsely accused of "crimes" they never committed. All had one thing in common, they got the wrong person mad at them, a person who had no problems using the criminal justice system as a weapon to settle a grudge. Does that help?

Ocean
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Ocean56

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#34 Jan 9, 2008
Ron northern va wrote:
OCEAN56 states she was 17 and had consensual sex with a guy of 19...if the law says you have to be 18 then it is not consensual..
Oh PLEASE. Just because some idiot says "the law says "17-year-olds can't consent to sex" doesn't mean its true. At the time I was only two days away from being of "legal age" to decide whether to have sex or not. Do you really expect me to believe that two days make a difference? It certainly didn't, not in my case anyway. Rape is defined (depending on the dictionary one uses) as "carnal knowledge of a person by force and without consent." Since I CONSENTED and said YES at the time, sex was NOT forced on me. Of course, the law can be interpreted any way a prosecutor or judge wants to interpret it. So, even when NO bodily injury has been intended or inflicted, a person can be sent to prison regardless. Anything to keep the prison industrial complex fat and happy, I suppose.@@
Ron northern va wrote:
don't know why people say this all the time who are under age...The law clearly states if you are a minor that you can't CONSENT to a sexual act...Don't know how much clearer the law can be....Of course Ocean knew this because she didn't tell her parents.....
And the law has been used to criminally penalize ANY activity an individual or group disapproves of, as history clearly shows. Don't like teen sex? Criminalize it, and throw the "offenders" in prison. Don't like contraception or "obscenity?" Criminalize that too, as Anthony Comstock did in the 19th Century by making distribution of contraceptive information by mail and other means illegal. Don't like alcohol consumption? Criminalize that as well, as certain religious groups pressured their Congressmen to do during World War I. The result of that was the infamous Prohibition era, which made "felons" out of otherwise totally innocent citizens, whose only "crime" was to consume, manufacture or distribute alcoholic beverages.

Don't like criticism of government? Then enact "sedition" laws, as the Federalists did in 1798 to ensure they'd win the next election. Anyone who wrote against or spoke out against the Federalist government or criticized President Adams was thrown into prison. That didn't work, though, since Thomas Jefferson, a Republican, was elected President despite the Federalists' efforts to win the office by stifling dissent.

Do you see my point? Just because laws are made doesn't mean they should be respected. Obeyed yes, respected no. Especially when they tyrannize the people and throw them in prison when they have actually hurt or injured NO ONE. There is a difference between sex offenders and violent predators. But because the "sex offender" term can be expanded and broadened to anything law enforcement wants it to mean, it helps them get more convictions, even for totally NON-violent offenses. And that's all many prosecutors care about, getting convictions and "winning," no matter how many lives they destroy in the process.

Ocean
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Mark JM Woodbridge VA

United States

#35 Jan 9, 2008
Sex Offenders should be restricted, no matter the nature of the offense. But my point overall is why does the Government have to babysit our children? Parents, honestly if you watch your childern, the people who have ill intentions will be far less likely to snatch your child/children.

I do agree there needs to be a better system in place to keep an eye on the Violent Sex Offenders. I don't think the non-violent ones will cause a problem as long as law enforcement keeps an eye on them.
tv set

Fairfax, VA

#36 Jan 9, 2008
Mark JM Woodbridge VA wrote:
Sex Offenders should be restricted, no matter the nature of the offense. But my point overall is why does the Government have to babysit our children? Parents, honestly if you watch your childern, the people who have ill intentions will be far less likely to snatch your child/children.
I do agree there needs to be a better system in place to keep an eye on the Violent Sex Offenders. I don't think the non-violent ones will cause a problem as long as law enforcement keeps an eye on them.
Dont be so niave, we cant even control who comes into our country.You really think Law enforcement has the time to watch some weenie wackers?
fed up with the mess

United States

#37 Jan 9, 2008
Sex offenders against children and serial rapist need to be sent to Iraq in exile.
Ocean56

AOL

#38 Jan 10, 2008
Mark JM Woodbridge VA wrote:
Sex Offenders should be restricted, no matter the nature of the offense. But my point overall is why does the Government have to babysit our children? Parents, honestly if you watch your childern, the people who have ill intentions will be far less likely to snatch your child/children.
I do agree there needs to be a better system in place to keep an eye on the Violent Sex Offenders. I don't think the non-violent ones will cause a problem as long as law enforcement keeps an eye on them.
Exactly. Call it a VIOLENT PREDATOR REGISTRY instead. Contrary to what law enforcement wants everyone to believe, there's a huge difference between "unlawful" teen sex and a violent predator like John Couey, and various serial rapists of children or adults.

Of course, it begs the question of why truly VIOLENT predators are being allowed out of prison before serving their full sentences anyway. If violent predators are being released early and non-violent people such as drug users are getting longer sentences due to the ridiculous "war on drugs," there's something seriously wrong with our so-called "criminal justice" system.

Ocean
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Ocean56

AOL

#39 Jan 10, 2008
fed up with the mess wrote:
Sex offenders against children and serial rapist need to be sent to Iraq in exile.
Great, so if someone mistakenly or falsely accuses YOU of being a "sex offender" and you're convicted because the accusation became the evidence, you'll cheerfully go along with it? Somehow, I rather doubt it. These days, it's far too easy for law enforcement to arrest and convict someone with NO proof whatsoever that the accused did anything. There are ways to determine whether an accuser is actually telling the truth or not, but for some insane reason, law enforcement refuses to use them.

I heard that Gov. Kaine is in favor of accusers taking polygraph tests to determine whether an accusation is true or false, which is a step in the right direction. I'd like to see it taken a bit further. Such as a criminal penalty for deliberately making a false accusation of child molestation or rape when the accuser knows no such crime occurred. Contrary to popular belief, children can lie about being "abused," and they can also be manipulated into making a false "admission" by an adult parent with a malicious agenda.

Ocean
IMAGINARY gods have NO jurisdiction
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BASEBALLER

AOL

#40 Jan 18, 2008
A concerned parent wrote:
All that are upset about the new rule .. What if one of the offenders was with one of your children and did this disgraceful thing.. sorry oncea sex offender at any age always a sex offender... They should wear the scarlet letter!!!!
SOMWHAT YOU ARE SAYING IS HANG OUR SONS TO PROTECT OUR DAUGHTERS.I BET IF IT WERE YOUR SON BEING BRANDED YOU WOULD FEEL DIFFERENT.
BASEBALLER

AOL

#41 Jan 18, 2008
Ocean56 wrote:
<quoted text>
Great, so if someone mistakenly or falsely accuses YOU of being a "sex offender" and you're convicted because the accusation became the evidence, you'll cheerfully go along with it? Somehow, I rather doubt it. These days, it's far too easy for law enforcement to arrest and convict someone with NO proof whatsoever that the accused did anything. There are ways to determine whether an accuser is actually telling the truth or not, but for some insane reason, law enforcement refuses to use them.
I heard that Gov. Kaine is in favor of accusers taking polygraph tests to determine whether an accusation is true or false, which is a step in the right direction. I'd like to see it taken a bit further. Such as a criminal penalty for deliberately making a false accusation of child molestation or rape when the accuser knows no such crime occurred. Contrary to popular belief, children can lie about being "abused," and they can also be manipulated into making a false "admission" by an adult parent with a malicious agenda.
Ocean
IMAGINARY gods have NO jurisdiction
http://www.fija.org
IM GLAD TO HEAR THAT SOME PEOPLE ARE NOT CLOSED MINDED.THIS IS EXACTLY WHAT HAPPENED TO MY SON WHEN HE WAS 18.HE TOOK A LIE DETECTOR TEST AND PASSED WITH FLYING COLORS BUT WAS STILL RAILROADED.HE IS NOW 27 AND STILL HAS NO CHANCE AT LIFE BECAUSE OF THIS LAW.

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