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CN urges more balanced perspective towards the EJ&E transaction

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CN today said that the controversy around the purported environmental impacts of its proposed EJ&E acquisition appears to be exaggerated and is not conducive to a sound public interest review of the ... via Earth Times

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UP Engr

Lisle, IL

#61 Apr 1, 2008
railham wrote:
UP...here is a link to a story about Dyer opposing the CN/EJ&E merger. Where is John? I miss his posts.
http://www.nwitimes.com/articles/2008/03/08/n...
Thanx railham, not sure where John is, i hope he didnt think i was mocking him with my Moby Dick allusion, that was the farthest thing from my mind - could be on vacation or something, i miss his posts as well.
John

Crystal Lake, IL

#62 Apr 4, 2008
How many truckloads will these trains take off the roads anyway? Anyone know??
CN takes US jobs

Crystal Lake, IL

#63 Apr 4, 2008
Just trying to calculate how many unemployed US drivers we should expect. How many small US truckers will be put out of business.

Since: Nov 07

Detroit, MI

#64 Apr 6, 2008
John wrote:
How many truckloads will these trains take off the roads anyway? Anyone know??
Pretty hard to make an intelligent guess on this question. The real winner in this will be the motorists who pay the majority of the road taxes. Since rail transport takes heavy truck traffic off from our highways and onto privately financed railroad rights of way, fewer tax dollars will be required for road repairs, and faster commute times can be expected.
Short haul truckers will not be affected all that much as they will still be needed to handle loads from thr railhead to the customers door.
In the end the long haul traffic will go to the transport mode that offers the most efficient, cost effective service. This is how it should be, for the good of the envirement and taxpayers.
Blagovich is a wacko

Crystal Lake, IL

#65 Apr 6, 2008
railham wrote:
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Pretty hard to make an intelligent guess on this question. The real winner in this will be the motorists who pay the majority of the road taxes. Since rail transport takes heavy truck traffic off from our highways and onto privately financed railroad rights of way, fewer tax dollars will be required for road repairs, and faster commute times can be expected.
Short haul truckers will not be affected all that much as they will still be needed to handle loads from thr railhead to the customers door.
In the end the long haul traffic will go to the transport mode that offers the most efficient, cost effective service. This is how it should be, for the good of the envirement and taxpayers.
So it does appear American truckers, and the people running things behind them, who are mostly small independent companies, will loose their business to the railroad. In other words in this case our people's livelihoods will be displaced by a foreign entity. Is that the jobs program CN was referring to.
UP Engr

Lisle, IL

#66 Apr 6, 2008
The acquisition of the EJ&E will have no more impact on the trucking industry than if any other RR bought them. Intermodal freight is growing for all the Class I RR's, which probably impacts long-haul trucking companies, but local haulers are seeing an increase in business.
IL governor ruins IL

Crystal Lake, IL

#67 Apr 6, 2008
UP Engr wrote:
The acquisition of the EJ&E will have no more impact on the trucking industry than if any other RR bought them. Intermodal freight is growing for all the Class I RR's, which probably impacts long-haul trucking companies, but local haulers are seeing an increase in business.
No NO .. Again a international company is threatening US jobs.
Why do you rail people always generalize the issue to this so called 'we'll all be better off junk'?
The left side is always bitc.. about, how can we export American jobs?, and here is a blatant example of just that, and everybody wax's rhapsodic about how any rr... would take jobs.

'This' deal will hurt the real towns involved, crashes, block rr crossings endlessly, and hurt the American trucking industry, put alot of truckers out.
These type of narrow responses like this, causes me to rethink why I'm debating here. That is why I stopped before. You must take us for idiots. You do you persist in trying to minimize what will go down here.
Just forget it and go play with your trains.
UP Engr

Lisle, IL

#68 Apr 6, 2008
IL governor ruins IL wrote:
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No NO .. Again a international company is threatening US jobs.
Why do you rail people always generalize the issue to this so called 'we'll all be better off junk'?
The left side is always bitc.. about, how can we export American jobs?, and here is a blatant example of just that, and everybody wax's rhapsodic about how any rr... would take jobs.
'This' deal will hurt the real towns involved, crashes, block rr crossings endlessly, and hurt the American trucking industry, put alot of truckers out.
These type of narrow responses like this, causes me to rethink why I'm debating here. That is why I stopped before. You must take us for idiots. You do you persist in trying to minimize what will go down here.
Just forget it and go play with your trains.
I dont "play" with trains John - i take my job very seriously, piloting an 18,000 ton coal train isnt "playing". And i've never taken you for an idiot - tho this latest response is perhaps a reason to re-evaluate.

Since: Nov 07

Detroit, MI

#69 Apr 6, 2008
IL governor ruins IL wrote:
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No NO .. Again a international company is threatening US jobs.
Why do you rail people always generalize the issue to this so called 'we'll all be better off junk'?
The left side is always bitc.. about, how can we export American jobs?, and here is a blatant example of just that, and everybody wax's rhapsodic about how any rr... would take jobs.
'This' deal will hurt the real towns involved, crashes, block rr crossings endlessly, and hurt the American trucking industry, put alot of truckers out.
These type of narrow responses like this, causes me to rethink why I'm debating here. That is why I stopped before. You must take us for idiots. You do you persist in trying to minimize what will go down here.
Just forget it and go play with your trains.
John, CN is no more or less of an international company than Coca Cola, General Motors, Ford, UAL, Cat, Exxon, and countless others. If anything, this project will probably result in more jobs from increased rail traffic this corridor, which pay way more than trucking.
CN employs thousands of workers in the United States who pay many million of dollars of taxes yearly. I really don't see much of a real impact on the trucking industry from this transaction, other than to take some of the long haul traffic off from the roads, which you would have to agree would be better for most of us. Not to mention the fuel savings (and pollution) from parked or slow moving trains in the Chicago region. You're "anti" stance is weak at best.
Not a railroader

Fort Worth, TX

#70 Apr 6, 2008
IL governor ruins IL wrote:
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No NO .. Again a international company is threatening US jobs.
Why do you rail people always generalize the issue to this so called 'we'll all be better off junk'?
The left side is always bitc.. about, how can we export American jobs?, and here is a blatant example of just that, and everybody wax's rhapsodic about how any rr... would take jobs.
'This' deal will hurt the real towns involved, crashes, block rr crossings endlessly, and hurt the American trucking industry, put alot of truckers out.
These type of narrow responses like this, causes me to rethink why I'm debating here. That is why I stopped before. You must take us for idiots. You do you persist in trying to minimize what will go down here.
Just forget it and go play with your trains.
Most of CN's employees in the states that they have track in are not foreigners (Canadians). They are old fashion Red, White and Blue Americans. Yes, CN is a foreign company (much of whose stock is owned by Americans), but no they do not import their workers. To claim that this is exporting American jobs is simply untrue. American employees (approx. 6,934) make up about 31% of CN's workforce and run about 36%(7,400 miles) of their total route miles.
Also, did you know that Hunter Harrison is an American. That's right he was born in the good old US of A, Tennessee to be exact. He also started in 1964 as a carman-oiler on the Frisco Railroad in Tennessee. He moved up through the ranks of that and other companies in the industry to become the president of the Illinois Central (IC) railroad in 1993. When IC merged with (was acquired by) CN in 1998 he went over to CN as their executive vice president and chief operating officer until 2002 when he was promoted to president and in 2003 CEO.
So I guess that this 'evil' foreign railroad, in large part owned by many US investors, run by an American, employing thousands of Americans, is just out to ruin America by hiring more American workers. What a pity.
Also, if memory serves me correctly, right now one of the biggest problems that the trucking industry is facing is a lack of qualified drivers. So the question that needs to be asked is: if there is currently a shortage of qualified truck drivers, how will the railroads moving a larger share of the long haul traffic result in a large number of truckers losing there jobs? Especially when there are more jobs than truckers to fill them? Sorry, but the quote, "it does not compute" keeps running through my head.
Tom

Leesburg, VA

#71 Apr 13, 2008
Truck drivers losing jobs is a red herring. First, there is a chronic shortage of truck drivers. Trucking companies regularly mount campaigns to woo each other's employees. Second, trucks are the most fuel inefficient way to move cargo that can be used.
Go here- http://www.dot.state.ia.us/compare_100.pdf

We need a rational national transportation policy, but don't look for it any time soon as nobody wants to address it. We'll pay for that at a later date. The other problem is NIMBY. There's a lot of that here. Everyone wants all the conveniences of modern life, but nobody wants the things that bring those conveniences to them. Think about this the next time you wait on a coal train for a while and then get home and take a cold drink out of your refrigerator. The two are directly related.
Judy

Madison, MS

#72 Feb 19, 2009
Currently seeking a COO for a transportation company. [email protected]

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