Plainfield and Crest Hill brush fires...

Plainfield and Crest Hill brush fires: CN locomotive reportedly...

There are 22 comments on the Chicago Tribune story from Mar 18, 2009, titled Plainfield and Crest Hill brush fires: CN locomotive reportedly.... In it, Chicago Tribune reports that:

Brush fires that raged for hours Tuesday in two southwest suburbs were apparently sparked by a Canadian National Railway diesel locomotive moving boxcars between Plainfield and Joliet .

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Rufus MacDonald

United States

#1 Mar 18, 2009
Bill the canadians for the cost of putting out the fires.
mark roegner

Bolingbrook, IL

#2 Mar 18, 2009
who started the fires at 95th street and lagrange road?
Wow

Montréal, Canada

#3 Mar 18, 2009
Rufus, that's the best you can come up with? Brilliant! What a typical answer from an idiot.
HAHAHA

Coaldale, Canada

#4 Mar 18, 2009
Rufus MacDonald wrote:
Bill the canadians for the cost of putting out the fires.
How soon you seem to forget that CN is American owned, and run by an american psycho ( Hunter Harrison) You keep that attitude up and us Canadians will return, burn down the Whitehouse again, and stay this time. hahahaha!!
Rufus MacDonald

United States

#5 Mar 19, 2009
Better be nice to us or we'll make canada out 51st state and take all your young women - the attractive ones, anyway.
HAHAHA wrote:
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How soon you seem to forget that CN is American owned, and run by an american psycho ( Hunter Harrison) You keep that attitude up and us Canadians will return, burn down the Whitehouse again, and stay this time. hahahaha!!
Dogman

Westmont, IL

#7 Mar 19, 2009
You are welcome to burn down congress too.
HAHAHA wrote:
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How soon you seem to forget that CN is American owned, and run by an american psycho ( Hunter Harrison) You keep that attitude up and us Canadians will return, burn down the Whitehouse again, and stay this time. hahahaha!!
Dogman

Westmont, IL

#8 Mar 19, 2009
All 4 of them?
Rufus MacDonald wrote:
Better be nice to us or we'll make canada out 51st state and take all your young women - the attractive ones, anyway.
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Unbelievable

United States

#9 Mar 19, 2009
I hope they're sending the firefighting bill directly to Hunter.
Not a Railroader

Omaha, NE

#10 Mar 19, 2009
Let's read the whole story before we fly off the handle. I think some quotes from the story are in order. Deputy Chief Jon Stratton of the Plainfield Fire Protection District. "Dry conditions and "sparking" trains have led to brush fires in the area before." So apparently this is not a new problem that came with CN.
CN spokesman Patrick Waldron, "The fires started along the Elgin, Joliet & Eastern railwayline [sic] and [sic] was recently purchased by CN. The locomotive that apparently set off the brush fires WAS A PIECE OF EJ&E EQUIPMENT that CN had acquired in that deal." [emphasis added]
So these problems have happened before CN took over the EJ&E and it was a former EJ&E locomotive that caused the problem.
If the deal had not gone through it is possible that this would have happened anyway because it was caused by EJ&E equipment.
It is amazing how myopic people are when they want a reason to crucify a company or person they don't like.
However, I do believe that the railroad should be billed for the firefighting, the same way anyone else would be.
Inconvenienced by Trains

Aurora, IL

#11 Mar 19, 2009
The article also quoted a CN official as saying that they knew the engines were "sparking", so if it was sparking and there was a risk, why did they run them? And how can there be dry enough conditions to start a brush fire when the area is still pretty much saturated from all the rain we've had in the last week or so?
Something smells in this and I don't think it's the burning rubbish. I drive past the crossing along Caton Farm Rd several times a week and there was no sign of dry conditions to the extent that they could be ignited by a spark from a passing train.
Not a Railroader

Omaha, NE

#12 Mar 19, 2009
Inconvenienced by Trains wrote:
The article also quoted a CN official as saying that they knew the engines were "sparking", so if it was sparking and there was a risk, why did they run them? And how can there be dry enough conditions to start a brush fire when the area is still pretty much saturated from all the rain we've had in the last week or so?
Something smells in this and I don't think it's the burning rubbish. I drive past the crossing along Caton Farm Rd several times a week and there was no sign of dry conditions to the extent that they could be ignited by a spark from a passing train.
Actually, you horribly misquote the article. The actual quote is, "The switch engine that was throwing sparks, lighting fires in Plainfield and Crest Hill, has been pulled from service, CN spokesman Patrick Waldron said Wednesday."

This statement does not say that CN knew that it was sparking before they used it that day. Instead it says that CN knows which engine was throwing the sparks and they have removed it from service.
Voice of Common Sense

Chicago, IL

#13 Mar 19, 2009
Many grass fires are set off by lightning during rain storms. If grassfires can be started during a rainstorm then the grass doesn't have to be that dry to ignite. And what you think smells in this indicates to me that your a paranoid individual that probably has some type of mental issue.

For everybody else, I think you're demonizing CN too much. They have come out and admitted that one of the old EJ&E engines which they now own caused this. How about giving them a little credit for taking the high road and admitting blame.

There are also many things that everyday people do that cause fires all the time that people wouldn't think twice about. Throwing cigarette butts out the windows of cars or on the ground causes grass fires all the time. Throwing glass bottles out can do the same thing (when the bottle breaks the curved pieces of glass act as a prism concentrating the sunlight much like a magnifying glass and can cause a fire). Dirt bikes, 4-wheelers and off road trucks start grass fires occasionally because they often get modified exhaust systems that don't have spark arresters and they can then shoot hot carbon pieces out of the exhaust which can start fires. The list goes on and on.

The moral of the story, grass fires happen all the time. CN didn't intend to start a fire. CN wasn't negligent in something they did in order to cause a fire. It's not exactly fair that CN gets demonized for accidently starting a grass fire and then immediately doing the right thing by taking responsibilty. Especially when you consider that if it was started by any other ignition source nobody would have thought twice about it.
Inconvenienced by Trains wrote:
The article also quoted a CN official as saying that they knew the engines were "sparking", so if it was sparking and there was a risk, why did they run them? And how can there be dry enough conditions to start a brush fire when the area is still pretty much saturated from all the rain we've had in the last week or so?
Something smells in this and I don't think it's the burning rubbish. I drive past the crossing along Caton Farm Rd several times a week and there was no sign of dry conditions to the extent that they could be ignited by a spark from a passing train.
My GGGeneration

Schaumburg, IL

#14 Mar 19, 2009
Not a Railroader wrote:
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Actually, you horribly misquote the article. The actual quote is, "The switch engine that was throwing sparks, lighting fires in Plainfield and Crest Hill, has been pulled from service, CN spokesman Patrick Waldron said Wednesday."
This statement does not say that CN knew that it was sparking before they used it that day. Instead it says that CN knows which engine was throwing the sparks and they have removed it from service.
Unfortunately, the anti's will never accept that s--- just happens? That sort of thing probably happens on every railroad in the country every day somewhere but you just never hear about it.

Karen Darch is probably trying to figure out who she can sue at this very moment over that.
canuck

Berwyn, IL

#15 Mar 19, 2009
Another reason to keep clear of the EJ&E line - they are running crap trains
lib trib

Naperville, IL

#16 Mar 19, 2009
mark roegner wrote:
who started the fires at 95th street and lagrange road?
liberal green wakos set the stupid fire to kill bad weeds !
Bill-Elgin

Geneva, IL

#17 Mar 19, 2009
Rufus MacDonald wrote:
Bill the canadians for the cost of putting out the fires.
The railroads pay taxes as any other property owner does, including to fire depts. and fire protection districts. Generally if you pay taxes they do not bill for accidental fires. If it occurred in an unincorporated "on call" area then they would get a bill like any other property owner would. The actual "cost of putting out a fire" is kind of fuzzy, as most paid fire departments pay the firemen the same even if they are in sitting in the firehouse. Fuel for the firetruck would probably be the only actual cash spent because of the fires.
Inconvenienced by Trains

Aurora, IL

#18 Mar 20, 2009
Voice of Common Sense wrote:
Many grass fires are set off by lightning during rain storms. If grassfires can be started during a rainstorm then the grass doesn't have to be that dry to ignite. And what you think smells in this indicates to me that your a paranoid individual that probably has some type of mental issue.
For everybody else, I think you're demonizing CN too much. They have come out and admitted that one of the old EJ&E engines which they now own caused this. How about giving them a little credit for taking the high road and admitting blame.
There are also many things that everyday people do that cause fires all the time that people wouldn't think twice about. Throwing cigarette butts out the windows of cars or on the ground causes grass fires all the time. Throwing glass bottles out can do the same thing (when the bottle breaks the curved pieces of glass act as a prism concentrating the sunlight much like a magnifying glass and can cause a fire). Dirt bikes, 4-wheelers and off road trucks start grass fires occasionally because they often get modified exhaust systems that don't have spark arresters and they can then shoot hot carbon pieces out of the exhaust which can start fires. The list goes on and on.
The moral of the story, grass fires happen all the time. CN didn't intend to start a fire. CN wasn't negligent in something they did in order to cause a fire. It's not exactly fair that CN gets demonized for accidently starting a grass fire and then immediately doing the right thing by taking responsibilty. Especially when you consider that if it was started by any other ignition source nobody would have thought twice about it.
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I hardly think criticizing someone for their opinion by calling them mental is having a "voice of common sense". No personal assessments necessary or warranted, I was just giving my opinion. If you don't like it, that's your problem, but I am entitled to it just as you are entitled to yours.
Good day.
Overtaxed in Illinois

Plainfield, IL

#19 Mar 20, 2009
Dear NIMBYs:

Here is you tip for the day!

While grass fires along the "J" are not a new thing, they are not unavoidable.

There is a locomotive appliance called a spark arrestor, which fits over the exhaust stack. This device prevents the discharge of most, but on all hazardous sparks. Most locomotives which currently use the EJ&E/CN, including those locomotives painted EJ&E,CN,BNSF,and UP, are NOT EQUIPPED with spark arrestors.

Now those who have chosen to live near the railroad track, have something NEW to bitch about!
What-the-f

Plainfield, IL

#21 Mar 21, 2009
CN should pay for putting out the fires? The firefighters were already on duty and getting paid. They get paid regardless of whether they have to put out a fire or not. Wanting CN to pay for an already paid for service is like asking the firefighters to give back their salary when they don't put out a fire on their shift.

“More human than human.”

Since: Jan 09

North Suburbs of Chicago

#23 Mar 22, 2009
HAHAHA wrote:
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Here you go again. I don't know who died and appointed you the soothsayer for all of mankind. You're one arrogant and ignorant person. Every post you've made, you find in youself to personally judge others for having an opinion. Either your post secondary education has failed you or your wife/patner must keep you on a leash. Keep your opinions of others to youself. Or maybe with the death of the american dream goes the luxury of free speech. Either way it would be most enjoyable if you could participate without your personal opinions of others. I'm quite sure that you aren't the least bit qualified to assess ones personality based on their personal thoughts. Maybe you're just getting your rocks off hiding behind your computer while putting down others. IDIOT!!!
This post would have been more efective without the personal insult at the end...

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