Pa. woman sues gas driller, claims wa...

Pa. woman sues gas driller, claims water tainted

There are 35 comments on the The York Daily Record story from Oct 28, 2010, titled Pa. woman sues gas driller, claims water tainted. In it, The York Daily Record reports that:

A woman is suing natural gas driller Chesapeake Energy Corp. and two of its subsidiaries, claiming drilling near her rural home has fouled the water with methane and other pollutants and created a rash of health problems since 2009.

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Harry P Ness

Mechanicsburg, PA

#21 Nov 3, 2010
BobbySomers wrote:
<quoted text>More people rely on government = government getting bigger = more spending = more of the same mess we are in now.
no oversight = more pollution = no clean water and air. Let's cut some of the defense spending, that's big government. The govermnet would be a whole lot smaller and we could pay for allot of things that get pushed to the side (clean air and water).

“I'm not nuts. Just different”

Since: Mar 08

Cheswold, Delaware.

#23 Nov 3, 2010
Harry P Ness wrote:
<quoted text>
no oversight = more pollution = no clean water and air. Let's cut some of the defense spending, that's big government. The govermnet would be a whole lot smaller and we could pay for allot of things that get pushed to the side (clean air and water).
I agree that defense budget needs to be cut down to size. We can start by getting out of Iraq/Afghanistan and then STAYING out of wars that really don't concern us and go from there.

But to take that savings and blow it on bigger government when we have 14 trillion dollars in debt is insane.

And for what? So government can do for us what we can do for ourselves?

Relying on government to take care of us like a mother takes care of an infant is NOT the American way.

It's a shame most Americans don't believe that.

“I'm not nuts. Just different”

Since: Mar 08

Cheswold, Delaware.

#24 Nov 3, 2010
Nobama wrote:
Western PA now controls state government and we don't give a flying fk about philthydelphia or anything east of the Susquehanna. We will truck our fracked water there and flush you into the sea.
Please do. That cesspool of inhumanity NEEDS to be flushed.
nice

Westminster, MD

#25 Nov 4, 2010
Nobama wrote:
Western PA now controls state government and we don't give a flying fk about philthydelphia or anything east of the Susquehanna. We will truck our fracked water there and flush you into the sea.
real civic-minded I see, concerned about your fellow citizens
nice

Westminster, MD

#27 Nov 4, 2010
Nobama wrote:
<quoted text>Martin LOSER King is dead. Get over it.
Do tell!

Please share more of your thoughts with us, that we may judge you not by the color of your skin but by the content of your character.

Such as it is.
S York

Fort Huachuca, AZ

#28 Nov 4, 2010
BobbySomers wrote:
<quoted text>Why is this always the first thought?
"The government should do something."
NO!
These drilling companies routinely give free clean drinking water (Deer park i think) to anyone who tells them that their wells are polluted because of drilling.
If you don't want that then don't allow them to drill on your property.
If the contamination is coming from someone else's property then sue the company.
Why do people insist the government take care of them when they are perfectly capable of handling it themselves?
You can't be that obtuse. You statement is predicated on the drilling company still being in business 100 years from now. Who is left cleaning up the mess when they are gone? My taxes. Your rights end at the tip of my nose.
S York

Fort Huachuca, AZ

#29 Nov 4, 2010
Theoracle wrote:
As a landowner who has a lease for 2 of the wells, bring it on! Show me the money. I lucked into it, did nothing more than negotiate a lease, and they are going to pay me. I can't wait.
I am well aware of the "dangers" of the drilling process, and have taken steps to protect my resources, as every person who leases should.
As for cleanup when they leave, they are required to bond their equipment, so that if they do bail, they fronted the money to "cleanup".
Let me guess. The bonds were written by AIG. Too big to fail? Who bailed them out? My taxes.
Harry P Ness

Mechanicsburg, PA

#30 Nov 4, 2010
BobbySomers wrote:
<quoted text>I agree that defense budget needs to be cut down to size. We can start by getting out of Iraq/Afghanistan and then STAYING out of wars that really don't concern us and go from there.
But to take that savings and blow it on bigger government when we have 14 trillion dollars in debt is insane.
And for what? So government can do for us what we can do for ourselves?
Relying on government to take care of us like a mother takes care of an infant is NOT the American way.
It's a shame most Americans don't believe that.
So how do I as a citizen of this country protect myself and my family from the damages done to my drinking water and the environment without the backing of the US government behind me? Please tell!!!! Should I routinely do surprise inspections at the drilling sites? Will they even let me take a look in the first place? If I find a problem who will enforce it? What rules will they go by and who will enforce them? If the government doesnít do the enforcement than Iím assuming your thinking private sector and enforcement by psychical force? Maybe I leave it to my local government officials to handle though they lack the resources to handle such a task. I'm really interested on how you propose I protect myself from the pollution these drilling sites cause. Do you think they would operate cleaner if there was no government oversight and rules? If Iím not mistaken most of the mine pollution we are cleaning up now was done during a time of little government oversight. Remember the ďsuper fundĒ? it wasnít called super because the cleanup was cheap.
yeah but

Westminster, MD

#31 Nov 4, 2010
You can get some super prices on real estate in the Love Canal area though.

“I'm not nuts. Just different”

Since: Mar 08

Cheswold, Delaware.

#32 Nov 4, 2010
Harry P Ness wrote:
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So how do I as a citizen of this country protect myself and my family from the damages done to my drinking water and the environment without the backing of the US government behind me? Please tell!!!! Should I routinely do surprise inspections at the drilling sites? Will they even let me take a look in the first place? If I find a problem who will enforce it? What rules will they go by and who will enforce them? If the government doesnít do the enforcement than Iím assuming your thinking private sector and enforcement by psychical force? Maybe I leave it to my local government officials to handle though they lack the resources to handle such a task. I'm really interested on how you propose I protect myself from the pollution these drilling sites cause. Do you think they would operate cleaner if there was no government oversight and rules? If Iím not mistaken most of the mine pollution we are cleaning up now was done during a time of little government oversight. Remember the ďsuper fundĒ? it wasnít called super because the cleanup was cheap.
DO you have a private well?
If so it's pretty inexpensive to test the water quality. In fact it should be done yearly whether there is drilling in your area or not.
If you have a problem with your water then most likely your neighbors do also.
Why couldn't you and your neighbors take your concerns to court and force the drillers to stop?
Harry P Ness

Mechanicsburg, PA

#33 Nov 4, 2010
BobbySomers wrote:
<quoted text>DO you have a private well?
If so it's pretty inexpensive to test the water quality. In fact it should be done yearly whether there is drilling in your area or not.
If you have a problem with your water then most likely your neighbors do also.
Why couldn't you and your neighbors take your concerns to court and force the drillers to stop?
So I have to wait for my water to get contaminated FIRST!!!! Then I have to spend my money on lawyer fees? Taxes are cheaper!!!! Maybe I win and they stop drilling, so what, my water is already contaminated. What about the poor folks that cannot afford to pay lawyer fees. It's OK for them to get sick and maybe die. What about the wildlife, is water going to be trucked in for them too or do we just say F'em and let them die off? Providing bottle water is not a solution. The solution is to ensure that the pollution doesn't occur in the first place to the best of our human abilities.

“I'm not nuts. Just different”

Since: Mar 08

Cheswold, Delaware.

#34 Nov 4, 2010
Harry P Ness wrote:
<quoted text>
So I have to wait for my water to get contaminated FIRST!!!! Then I have to spend my money on lawyer fees? Taxes are cheaper!!!! Maybe I win and they stop drilling, so what, my water is already contaminated. What about the poor folks that cannot afford to pay lawyer fees. It's OK for them to get sick and maybe die. What about the wildlife, is water going to be trucked in for them too or do we just say F'em and let them die off? Providing bottle water is not a solution. The solution is to ensure that the pollution doesn't occur in the first place to the best of our human abilities.
The only way to ensure that is no drilling at all and somehow I doubt that will happen any time soon.
S York

Fort Huachuca, AZ

#35 Nov 5, 2010
Harry P Ness wrote:
<quoted text>
So how do I as a citizen of this country protect myself and my family from the damages done to my drinking water and the environment without the backing of the US government behind me? Please tell!!!! Should I routinely do surprise inspections at the drilling sites? Will they even let me take a look in the first place? If I find a problem who will enforce it? What rules will they go by and who will enforce them? If the government doesnít do the enforcement than Iím assuming your thinking private sector and enforcement by psychical force? Maybe I leave it to my local government officials to handle though they lack the resources to handle such a task. I'm really interested on how you propose I protect myself from the pollution these drilling sites cause. Do you think they would operate cleaner if there was no government oversight and rules? If Iím not mistaken most of the mine pollution we are cleaning up now was done during a time of little government oversight. Remember the ďsuper fundĒ? it wasnít called super because the cleanup was cheap.
You can't protect your faimily, that is the point. For corporations, the bottom line is all that matters. It is easier to send 19 year olds to Asia to die so we can have warm showers, to purchase an exemption from Congress from the Clean Water Act to frack in shale, and to ensure by expending $$ from foreign sources (including the peaceful workers of the Peoples Republic of China) to make sure that the elected representatives set up a system that permits all the cost and consequences to fall on the little guys (bottom 95% of taxpayers) to avoid the "true" cost of "cheap" energy. You know, too big to fail. FYI, if you think Love Canal was bad, remember one thing, it was state of the art technology when it was created - just like fracking is today. From the chemical company's standpoint, a good deal, they paid about about twenty-five cents on every dollar of cleanup costs and delayed that payment for 25+ years so their actuarial true cost was less than that. Wonder where the rest of the $$ to clean it up came from??
Harry P Ness

Mechanicsburg, PA

#36 Nov 5, 2010
BobbySomers wrote:
<quoted text>The only way to ensure that is no drilling at all and somehow I doubt that will happen any time soon.
You're right, drilling is not going away. But regualtions and enforcment can make it a whole lot safer them just letting them do what ever they want and waiting for the pollution to occur. If fracking is so safe then require it to meet the clean water act.

“I'm not nuts. Just different”

Since: Mar 08

Cheswold, Delaware.

#37 Nov 5, 2010
Harry P Ness wrote:
<quoted text>
You're right, drilling is not going away. But regualtions and enforcment can make it a whole lot safer them just letting them do what ever they want and waiting for the pollution to occur. If fracking is so safe then require it to meet the clean water act.
I just sent my brother-in-law a message asking how much oversight they actually have.
He works for a gas drilling company in PA.

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