Sex abuse victims urge Hague court to...

Sex abuse victims urge Hague court to investigate Pope

There are 8 comments on the Q13.com story from Sep 13, 2011, titled Sex abuse victims urge Hague court to investigate Pope. In it, Q13.com reports that:

Lawyers for victims of sexual abuse by the clergy have asked the International Criminal Court to investigate Pope Benedict XVI and three top Vatican officials for crimes against humanity for allowing rape and child sex crimes.

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#1 Sep 13, 2011
Allowing and then covering them up it should say.
QUITTNER

Toronto, Canada

#2 Sep 13, 2011
3:10 pm, Tuesday, September 13, 2011:
RE: Sex abuse victims urge Hague court to investigate Pope
..... As I keep repeating, it was up to the victims to go to the police AT THE TIME and then help them to get sufficient evidence to get a conviction of lawbreakers in court, thus preventing more abuse. Maybe the victims should now be charged with obstruction of justice if they did NOT go to the police then.
..... Given that an accused person is deemed to be innocent until convicted in court, the church authorities should NOT have acted, and did not act, before a conviction.

Since: Jun 11

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#3 Sep 13, 2011
QUITTNER wrote:
3:10 pm, Tuesday, September 13, 2011:
RE: Sex abuse victims urge Hague court to investigate Pope
..... As I keep repeating, it was up to the victims to go to the police AT THE TIME and then help them to get sufficient evidence to get a conviction of lawbreakers in court, thus preventing more abuse. Maybe the victims should now be charged with obstruction of justice if they did NOT go to the police then.
..... Given that an accused person is deemed to be innocent until convicted in court, the church authorities should NOT have acted, and did not act, before a conviction.
So the church doesn't do anything unless the secular authorities approve of it first? That's a good one. Unless, of course, they wanted to actually obey the Scriptures, then they would have put these perverts out of the church.
QUITTNER

Toronto, Canada

#4 Sep 13, 2011
4:13 pm, Tuesday, September 13, 2011:
RE: Sex abuse victims urge Hague court to investigate Pope
chip117, in countries that have separation between church and state there should be strict separation between the areas of responsibility. The churches should never interfere with the judicial system, including the dealing before a conviction with accused lawbreakers of all kinds. But after a conviction the church authorities should carefully consider whether or not such a convicted person is to be expelled, or to be forgiven, and under which conditions if forgiven, according to the laws and regulations of that belief system, its membership conditions.
..... Compare with the teachings of Jesus!

Since: Jun 11

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#5 Sep 13, 2011
QUITTNER wrote:
4:13 pm, Tuesday, September 13, 2011:
RE: Sex abuse victims urge Hague court to investigate Pope
chip117, in countries that have separation between church and state there should be strict separation between the areas of responsibility. The churches should never interfere with the judicial system, including the dealing before a conviction with accused lawbreakers of all kinds. But after a conviction the church authorities should carefully consider whether or not such a convicted person is to be expelled, or to be forgiven, and under which conditions if forgiven, according to the laws and regulations of that belief system, its membership conditions.
..... Compare with the teachings of Jesus!
Wow, I didn't realize that turning in a child molester was "interfer(ing) with the judicial system."

Since: Dec 07

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#6 Sep 13, 2011
Oh, by all means, blame the victims.

Everyone, including other clergy members, has a moral obligation to report a crime committed against a child --- or anyone else, for that matter.
QUITTNER wrote:
3:10 pm, Tuesday, September 13, 2011:
RE: Sex abuse victims urge Hague court to investigate Pope
..... As I keep repeating, it was up to the victims to go to the police AT THE TIME and then help them to get sufficient evidence to get a conviction of lawbreakers in court, thus preventing more abuse. Maybe the victims should now be charged with obstruction of justice if they did NOT go to the police then.
..... Given that an accused person is deemed to be innocent until convicted in court, the church authorities should NOT have acted, and did not act, before a conviction.
QUITTNER

Toronto, Canada

#7 Sep 29, 2011
1:31 pm, Thursday, September 29, 2011:
RE: Sex abuse victims urge Hague court to investigate Pope
..... I wrote: "Given that an accused person is deemed to be innocent until convicted in court,..." and my comments apply only in such countries. Then there even the worst possible lawbreakers are still supposed to be quite innocent until a jury and/or a judge has pronounced them to be guilty. But after a conviction "throw the books" at them! But maybe in your country persons are guilty just because they have been accused of something and no proof is needed?
Hank

Satellite Beach, FL

#8 Sep 29, 2011
SFer wrote:
Oh, by all means, blame the victims.
Everyone, including other clergy members, has a moral obligation to report a crime committed against a child --- or anyone else, for that matter.
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We are also led to believe by the RCC, that never has there been an occasion other clergy knew about the commission of these crimes. Clergy are very much like muslims who are afraid to speak out....cowards all

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