Unemployment soars to 5.5%

Unemployment soars to 5.5%

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The unemployment rate took its biggest jump in more than two decades in May as employers once again cut jobs from U.S. payrolls, according to a government report Friday, showing a job market weaker than ...

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“Small gov't.Low taxes, Freedom”

Since: Mar 07

Ronkonkoma

#595 Jun 17, 2008
Christian Soldier wrote:
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I can only imagine your church: The Church of Christo Fascists of Libertarian BS.
And what kind of Christian are you? You're bellicose, rude, and mean spirited. In fact, I think your a sick , pathetic liar.
You Libertarians think you can use your storm trooper methods to forward your totally sick agenda.
Why don't you, Ron Paul and the other 7% of your cult crawl back under the rocks you came out from under?
I'm bellicose mean and rude to YOU because you warrant it.

You ignore facts and reality to place some fictional blame where it doesn't belong.

My church is very conservative I'm considered a maverick there based on my defense of homosexuals alone.

Sick and pathetic would be an apt description of the laundry list of lies and half truths that YOU posted to attempt to place blame for a natural disaster and poor city engineering on a man who just happenned to be Prtesident when it happenned.

George W Bush is an incompetant nut job and there is a LONG list of insidiously stupid and destructive things he's done to the detriment of the US. Te response to Hurricane Katrina is NOT among them.

One last time I ask you to refrain form your incindary comments about Libertarians since it's glaringly clear you don't begin to understand a SINGLE thing my party stands for.

Ron Paul is a Republican.

For anyone who would like to actually learn about the Libertarian party to see that christian soldier's opinions are so vastly incorrect please go to:

www.lp.org

“Small gov't.Low taxes, Freedom”

Since: Mar 07

Ronkonkoma

#596 Jun 17, 2008
You really do have a warped sense of reality.
Christian Soldier wrote:
<quoted text>
"...in which all individuals are sovereign over their own lives and no one is forced to sacrifice his or her values for the benefit of others."
I'm sorry you can't have anything resembling a civilized society that does not recognize the egalitarian principle of giving or compromise for the good of the greater whole.
Christian Soldier wrote:
Comprimise does not mean capitulation. 20 businessmen in Queens are about to LOSE their businesses because of eminent domain. their property and buildings are going to be seized by the Government of the City of NY so that commercial property can be built in their stead so that the NY Mets can have a pretty facade across the street from their new stadium.

In a Libertarian controlled government those businesses would be paid fair market value for their land and all would benefit, now only the corrupt government and the multi millionaire Fred Wilpon benefit.

There are other examples .....

[QUOTE who="Christian Soldier"]Why should I build an apartment building with a sprinkler system? why should there be firewalls in the structure?
To protect your tenants. No Libertarian would dispute that.
Christian Soldier wrote:
Why comply with inspection of food I sell to the public?
To protect your customers. Selling bad food is idiotic why would you want to kill your connsumer base and destroy future profit?
Christian Soldier wrote:
Why can't I just build what I want where I want?
Because then you'd be doing the work of government.
Christian Soldier wrote:
Why can't I make a child work for me for whatever pay I deem fair? Why can't I sell drugs to those same kids? Speed anywhere I want? Shoot a gun at anyone for anything?
because ALL of those things are the taking advantage of other individuals and usurping their rights. Libertarians are not anarchists cs they are realists and stand for individual liberty not hedonism.
Christian Soldier wrote:
Why should I pay taxes of any kind for any service I don't avail of...
Libertarians want to destroy the fabric of society to enable some Utopian scenario that could never work.
And herein lied the simple truth you didn't read a SINGLE word of the Libertarian preamble that was posted. If you had there is no way you possibly could have made such an untruthful ignorant staement such as this.

“Small gov't.Low taxes, Freedom”

Since: Mar 07

Ronkonkoma

#597 Jun 17, 2008
my editing on the last post was a little off but this wa the important piece I lost in the jumble:

Comprimise does not mean capitulation. 20 businessmen in Queens are about to LOSE their businesses because of eminent domain. their property and buildings are going to be seized by the Government of the City of NY so that commercial property can be built in their stead so that the NY Mets can have a pretty facade across the street from their new stadium.

In a Libertarian controlled government those businesses would be paid fair market value for their land and all would benefit, now only the corrupt government and the multi millionaire Fred Wilpon benefit.

There are other examples .....

“Small gov't.Low taxes, Freedom”

Since: Mar 07

Ronkonkoma

#598 Jun 17, 2008
Saif wrote:
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As I am an employer, and not a union member myself, I know that the laws that govern the treatment of workers are sufficient to keep safety in place (as long as the laws are obeyed).
Libertarian thought is just the government not MANDATING that people sacrifice for the good of others. That doesn't prevent people from making that choice- but it allows them a choice.
Liberty is all about the freedom to choose for yourself. It is not about the government telling you what choice to make.
You choose to be a socialist. I don't. I have the freedom to make that choice. But along with that freedom comes the responsibility to society that goes with it.
I choose to pay my employees well. I choose to make sure that my employees have excellent health insurance. They, in turn, choose to work for me and with me, and are very productive employees.
Your idea of government is all about removal of choice- even to the point of removal of free will. That isn't my idea of the liberty and freedom upon which this country was built.
This is an example of Why Public Unions are needed as well. I do have a hard time reconciling my Libertarian principles with my Union membership, but not when one realizes I work for a Sate run Hospital who would take advantage and exploit every single employee if given the chance. They do it NOW with the union in place I shudder to think what it would be like if the union were banished.

It's been clear from the start that cs doesn't understand Libertarians and nothing we say is going to change his warped view of reality.

“get your head out of the sand!”

Since: May 08

Florida

#599 Jun 17, 2008
And that my friends area why we are in the situation that the country is in. Everybody knows everything and they are stupid to listen to anything anyone as to say. Everyone is just so smart. Go and read, the correct information is out there. Open your eyes and look. If its on the news, reverse it and you have the truth. We should not even have political parties any more. We need people with common sense. Not a bullshit degree or millions of dollars in the bank. Remember, each kind looks after its own. The rich stay with the rich and the poor with the poor.

Since: Jan 07

Location hidden

#600 Jun 18, 2008
Saif wrote:
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As I am an employer, and not a union member myself, I know that the laws that govern the treatment of workers are sufficient to keep safety in place (as long as the laws are obeyed).
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Ron Paul IS a Libertarian: He entered the 1988 presidential election, running as the Libertarian nominee while remaining a registered Republican.

Let's go back to the Union and Libertarian dogma:
"..an employer should have the right to recognize or refuse to recognize a union"
Saif wrote:
<quoted text>YOU STATED "As I am an employer, and not a union member myself, I know that the laws that govern the treatment of workers are sufficient to keep safety in place (as long as the laws are obeyed)."

Safety in the workplace where workers are not crushed in machines, or exposed to toxic materials in the workplace is something that UNIONS fought for from their very beginning.
These gains were no innovatedt pioneered by robber barons or sweatshop operators.

The primary purpose of a union is to insure fair compensation for labor provided, but more commonly to prevent cruel explotation of workers who would be otherwise powerless and as you know that is where collective bargaining comes into play.

If the pages of history of rampant capitalism were filled with examples of giving workers decent wages and benefits, the entire concept would be mute.

But, let me provide you another thought about Unions and the world we live in: Unions have been flanked by Corporations who have moved manufacturing offshore where they can pay pennies on the dollar for labor the remaining jobs in our country today are largely service and small businesses.

Many, like WalMart and McDonald's have insured that they are safely exempt from union activity. They hire expensive labor consultants and institutionally bribe politicians to destroy any attempt at forming a union.

I beleive that something like 70% of all remaining businesses in the U.S. are 5 and under employees. The very size of the labor force and existing law makes it next to impossible to collectivize.

Most states have egregious anti-union laws in place. I work for serviced based privately held company here in the "right to work" state of Florida. If I were so much as to imply that we (workers) should be able to collectively bargain. I and anyone else involved can be fired without cause immediately.

Is there any recourse I can turn to? No.

So, really, what are you so all fired worried about?

Welcome to Phase II of the Great American Banana Republic

But as our corrupt FIRE based economy begins to fall apart at the seams, which it is apparently well on the way to doing, little people are going to start looking around and noticing that have been totally screwed. Probably it will be too late.

So you can go to bed tonight knowing that unions will never be a threat to you or any employer. It just doesn't work in a Banana Republic model.

“Insert witty comment <here>”

Since: Aug 07

Wyoming, MI

#601 Jun 18, 2008
Thanks for mining my quotes to show what you wanted to see.

You've been indoctrinated by the unions well, Komrade.

You notice the state in which I live? Michigan. The state that has the largest union workforce in the country. Take a look at what the unions have done to our once proud auto industry. Tell me that it is advantageous for a union to make such high demands of a business that it ends up losing jobs in the process.

It isn't about workplace safety in most cases anymore. It is about getting as much as you can for as little work as possible.

As I stated in my previous post, I pay my employees well and provide good benefits for them and their families. My employees want to work for me for those reasons. I have a profit-sharing plan in place which allows my employees to benefit from their productivity, so if their work generates additional revenue and profit, then they get to reap the rewards of that hard work.

I admit that I am in a minority when it comes to people that own and operate businesses.

The point that I make about liberty in general is that I am free to choose how I run my business, as long as I don't violate OSHA regulations and pay at least minimum wage. I choose to involve my employees deeply into the workings of my business so that they have not only a place to work, but a personal investment in the future of the company and their personal fortune (or lack thereof).

The choices that I make affect not only me, but the people around me and my community as well. I don't want to live in the Banana Republic (though you apparently think that I do). I want to live in the United States of America, which was founded on principles of liberty and freedom. The direction this country is moving is not in the direction of liberty, it is in the direction of totalitarian Soviet-style governance.

That's not MY America.

Since: Jan 07

Location hidden

#602 Jun 18, 2008
Saif wrote:
Thanks for mining my quotes to show what you wanted to see.
You've been indoctrinated by the unions well, Komrade.
You notice the state in which I live? Michigan. The state that has the largest union workforce in the country. Take a look at what the unions have done to our once proud auto industry. Tell me that it is advantageous for a union to make such high demands of a business that it ends up losing jobs in the process.
It isn't about workplace safety in most cases anymore. It is about getting as much as you can for as little work as possible.
As I stated in my previous post, I pay my employees well and provide good benefits for them and their families. My employees want to work for me for those reasons. I have a profit-sharing plan in place which allows my employees to benefit from their productivity, so if their work generates additional revenue and profit, then they get to reap the rewards of that hard work.
I admit that I am in a minority when it comes to people that own and operate businesses.
The point that I make about liberty in general is that I am free to choose how I run my business, as long as I don't violate OSHA regulations and pay at least minimum wage. I choose to involve my employees deeply into the workings of my business so that they have not only a place to work, but a personal investment in the future of the company and their personal fortune (or lack thereof).
The choices that I make affect not only me, but the people around me and my community as well. I don't want to live in the Banana Republic (though you apparently think that I do). I want to live in the United States of America, which was founded on principles of liberty and freedom. The direction this country is moving is not in the direction of liberty, it is in the direction of totalitarian Soviet-style governance.
That's not MY America.
Dude- what screwed Michigan ( and the nation) was the sellout of this nation to the WTO.

Think about it. How the hell can you make anything in this nation when you can have cheap exploited labor doing the same thing for a nickel on the ever decreasing dollar?

Unions tried desperately to placate manufacturers, but in the end they were powerless over this simple rule of economics that enabled the flight of our production to China, Mexico and the 3rd world.

When you can no longer offer a working man enough in salary to live a middle class lifestyle you are in the race to the bottom. Which we've just about hit.

And if you think this limited to Unions I suggest you consider this:

Number of Silicon Valley worker's earning between $30 and $80M who have lost their jobs since 2002: 62,000.

Number who have been hired into jobs earning less than $30,000 in the dame period: 66,000

source Haper's Index May 2008 .

No we've become a Fascist Nation.

“Behave Yourself”

Since: Jul 07

Fort Worth, Texas

#603 Jun 18, 2008
Christian Soldier wrote:
<quoted text>
Dude- what screwed Michigan ( and the nation) was the sellout of this nation to the WTO.
Think about it. How the hell can you make anything in this nation when you can have cheap exploited labor doing the same thing for a nickel on the ever decreasing dollar?
Unions tried desperately to placate manufacturers, but in the end they were powerless over this simple rule of economics that enabled the flight of our production to China, Mexico and the 3rd world.
When you can no longer offer a working man enough in salary to live a middle class lifestyle you are in the race to the bottom. Which we've just about hit.
And if you think this limited to Unions I suggest you consider this:
Number of Silicon Valley worker's earning between $30 and $80M who have lost their jobs since 2002: 62,000.
Number who have been hired into jobs earning less than $30,000 in the dame period: 66,000
source Haper's Index May 2008 .
No we've become a Fascist Nation.
Gee, don't you wonder what all the money-hoarding Capitalist rats are going to do when they run out of people they can hose on a daily basis? Isn't it funny how demonic the Communists are until you need their cheap labor pool for manufacturing?

“Insert witty comment <here>”

Since: Aug 07

Wyoming, MI

#604 Jun 18, 2008
Fascism: definition
a governmental system led by a dictator having complete power, forcibly suppressing opposition and criticism, regimenting all industry, commerce, etc., and emphasizing an aggressive nationalism and often racism.
Actually, no we haven't. The only thing that I see that fits is the emphasis on nationalism, and that has been the case since Reagan was in office.

We are headed in completely the opposite direction from fascism. The progression is capitalism leads to socialism leads to communism. We are currently in the capitalist/socialist phase.

Look for yourself. Socialism is defined as:
a theory or system of social organization that advocates the vesting of the ownership and control of the means of production and distribution, of capital, land, etc., in the community as a whole.
The stripping of personal rights and liberty is a direct result of the socialization of the government. "We have to take more taxes so we can support our social programs."

If we continue in the current direction, granted that it would have to go a long way to get there, we will end up getting a regular stipend from the government directly and all that we produce would go to the State.

Since: Jan 07

Location hidden

#605 Jun 19, 2008
Edthirty wrote:
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Gee, don't you wonder what all the money-hoarding Capitalist rats are going to do when they run out of people they can hose on a daily basis? Isn't it funny how demonic the Communists are until you need their cheap labor pool for manufacturing?
And notice that there is not rebuttal from "saif", because the sad truth is that rampant Capitalism in this nation and now globally can only function on the race to them bottom. Worse, it can't cope with the negative consequences (sometimes referred to as externalities) of this process; worker exploitation, pollution of the environment, destruction of the social fabric.

There are now cities numbering in the millions in China where workers literally live in the factory working 12 hour days 7 days a week making 70 cents an hour.

We simply can not compete in that world.

Since: Jan 07

Location hidden

#606 Jun 19, 2008
Your definition is wrong. A primary tenet of Fascism is the control of Government by large scale business.

"a governmental system led by a dictator having complete power, forcibly suppressing opposition and criticism, regimenting all industry, commerce, etc., and emphasizing an aggressive nationalism and often racism."

The complete power part by a dictator is to insure compliance with the goals of the corporations. The racism is simply a ratcheted up version of "hot button" issues like gays, guns, and abortion used to keep the masses distracted and paranoid.

Fascism has morphed to a degree over time, to fit the needs of big business and zeitgeist of that time. But trust me if the anti-semitic thing proved viable for the corporations who foster our particular brand of fascism, then the cattle cars would be moving out to the crematoriums the next morning.

takion1

“FIGHT THE POWER!”

Since: Feb 08

LOUISVILLE

#607 Aug 2, 2008
No_oil_4_u wrote:
<quoted text>Oh I see, what a nice little liberal you are. Once the name calling starts its so easy to tell. No doubt you have one of those whiney high pitched little lib whiner voices too. Always so easy to spot
Seems like you have a knack for creating enemies no matter where you go.
Must be your mindless gloating about how well you are doing.
NoGOP

Houston, TX

#608 Oct 29, 2008
I want US to get universal health coverage.
Moral hazard theory that this GOP health care is based on is fundamentally wrong. People will not go to hospitals more just because they do not pay for it directly. People will not run get some chemo even if they do not have cancer just because its “free”. Moral hazard theory is a Fraud. Increasing number of people even with some insurance that fall into high ticket illness go bankrupt . Let alone that do not have any insurance at all. System is created for profit maximization, not health care. Peoples lives are not a commodity to be made profit from or traded on wall street . It is not a mark of civilized society let alone number one country that we claim to be. It needs fundamental change, not cosmetic ones. Plus it will level the field for business in US to compete against other countries that have socialized healthcare in term of costs.
Thus a huge philosophical disagreement with Republicans. So I will advocate we change to Universal Health Care or medicare for all.
Instead we are busy bailing out wall street gamblers.
NoGOP

Houston, TX

#609 Oct 29, 2008
UHC (Universal Health Care)can be like Medicare but for all, delivery can be through “private” hospitals. So people are free to go where ever they like. Just that any doctor with a license has to accept UHC paying the bill to be in business. Countless surveys have found that most people that have Medicare like it . This will also free up business like auto industry for example from providing health care .
Europe , Japan , China all have UHC thus have competitive advantage , UHC in USA will just level the playing field. If you do not want jobs being shipped out demand UHC. Thus UHC will be a good boost to the economy and promote healthy citizens .

Since: Jan 07

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#611 Oct 30, 2008
WAKE UP AMERICA!!!!- first used by Dennis Kucinich at the DNC 2008.

William Timmons, the Washington lobbyist who John McCain has named to head his presidential transition team, aided an influence effort on behalf of Iraqi dictator Saddam Hussein to ease international sanctions against his regime. The two lobbyists who Timmons worked closely with over a five year period on the lobbying campaign later either pleaded guilty to or were convicted of federal criminal charges that they had acted as unregistered agents of Saddam Hussein's

McCain and his pal Timmons - The Best Friends Saddam Hussein Ever Had.

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