Oil Leak in Gulf of Mexico May Be 5 T...

Oil Leak in Gulf of Mexico May Be 5 Times Initial Estimate

There are 60 comments on the International Herald Tribune story from Apr 29, 2010, titled Oil Leak in Gulf of Mexico May Be 5 Times Initial Estimate. In it, International Herald Tribune reports that:

Government officials said late Wednesday night that oil might be leaking from a well in the Gulf of Mexico at a rate five times that suggested by initial estimates.

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“Angry Antlers ”

Since: Sep 08

Miami

#46 May 2, 2010
Bluebonnets-Thistle wrote:
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What the hell does that have anything to do with this? Patton was ranked at the bottom academically also. Moot point.
Moot point??

LOL!!

And we all know McCain was Patton's equal. LMMFAO!

Since: Dec 07

Trinidad, TX

#47 May 2, 2010
Caribou Barbie wrote:
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Moot point??
LOL!!
And we all know McCain was Patton's equal. LMMFAO!
You're certainly way below McCains standing. He's served his countrymen, you just curse them.

“The King of R&R”

Since: Dec 07

Location hidden

#48 May 2, 2010
PooPoo Platter wrote:
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LOL!!!
That was John McCain showing off the intellect that got him ranked 894th of 899 in his Annapolis graduation class.
#1 - scientists have to learn to transform seawater into fuel - and i am not talking hydrogen, that is a DEAD subject

“"I'm A Great American!"”

Since: Sep 08

Obama Nation! USA! USA!

#50 May 2, 2010
Bluebonnets-Thistle wrote:
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What the hell does that have anything to do with this? Patton was ranked at the bottom academically also. Moot point.
Are you confusing the cartoon character in the movie with the real George Patton?

Patton did not work well with other generals, and kept losing his commands. The real general was a limited asset back in that day, but in a world that required diplomacy and cooperation, even his superiors ultimately decided he was a liability.

But let's suppose Patton was as terrific as you appear to think; I doubt you believe John McCain is in Patton's league.
freebird

Fort Worth, TX

#51 May 2, 2010
a christian wrote:
sack BP chairman and make him clean the oil off the little birds an crocodiles; and ban him from being a director ever again
aint no damn crocs in la. they are gators!!

Since: Dec 07

Trinidad, TX

#52 May 2, 2010
PooPoo Platter wrote:
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Are you confusing the cartoon character in the movie with the real George Patton?
Patton did not work well with other generals, and kept losing his commands. The real general was a limited asset back in that day, but in a world that required diplomacy and cooperation, even his superiors ultimately decided he was a liability.
But let's suppose Patton was as terrific as you appear to think; I doubt you believe John McCain is in Patton's league.
No, not particularly. Two different people. Patton was able to get his armyís moving much better than those who scored higher than him. You canít deny that fact. Your liberal assertions that someone meant something different than what was spoken is hilarious and typical. Patton also used diplomacy and cooperation after the war to get his area of Germany moving again and was criticized. Seems the dem president Truman didnít know what the hell he wanted. Typical. I defended McCains service, thatís all. All the past dem Presidents from Truman on (except for Kennedy) could not do what McCain did in Nam. Try not putting words in peoples mouths because you disagree politically.
PooPoo Platter

Naperville, IL

#53 May 2, 2010
Bluebonnets-Thistle wrote:
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No, not particularly. Two different people. Patton was able to get his armyís moving much better than those who scored higher than him. You canít deny that fact. Your liberal assertions that someone meant something different than what was spoken is hilarious and typical. Patton also used diplomacy and cooperation after the war to get his area of Germany moving again and was criticized. Seems the dem president Truman didnít know what the hell he wanted. Typical. I defended McCains service, thatís all. All the past dem Presidents from Truman on (except for Kennedy) could not do what McCain did in Nam. Try not putting words in peoples mouths because you disagree politically.
Nobody put words in your mouth. I asked a question, you answered it & I have no quarrel. Your statements stand on their own.

And you neglected to mention Patton lost one command because he slapped a soldier. Even in wartime he was widely condemned for his boorish behavior, by military persons and civilians alike.

Today he probably would not advance so far if the movie accurately portrayed his leadership style. Those antics aren't tolerated, by coaches or by teachers or by generals. There are no longer characters like that in the highest ranks of the military.

Patton's other command was lost because his impulse to make outrageous statements was a diplomatic liability. He could not be trusted to behave himself, and thus became a prime example of the Peter Principle; promoted to his level of incompetence.

He was capable meeting some military objectives, and was excellent within his limited skill set; but incapable of the full range of skills needed by a leader of people in a complex enterprise. If you don't play well with others, you'll be sent away eventually.

And maybe be remembered as a tragic figure.
old oilee

UK

#55 May 3, 2010
I guess the 'bop' sub sea valve was'nt designed for the natural gas pressure experienced ( 60,000 ILbs)+ was it secured with a drill plate frame sufficiently large enough to have enough 2 metre rod wrall-expander bolts to cope with pressures above 60,000 Ibs example 200 in number; and have to be fixed into hard substantial rock; wells of this complexity should have dual holes drilled as a matter of standard procedure; I hope they were not relying on ballast gravity of the rig itself! come on President Obama kick their arses and monitor their wells with government surviellance equipment 24 hours 7 days a week;
freebird

Mansfield, TX

#56 May 3, 2010
old oilee wrote:
I guess the 'bop' sub sea valve was'nt designed for the natural gas pressure experienced ( 60,000 ILbs)+ was it secured with a drill plate frame sufficiently large enough to have enough 2 metre rod wrall-expander bolts to cope with pressures above 60,000 Ibs example 200 in number; and have to be fixed into hard substantial rock; wells of this complexity should have dual holes drilled as a matter of standard procedure; I hope they were not relying on ballast gravity of the rig itself! come on President Obama kick their arses and monitor their wells with government surviellance equipment 24 hours 7 days a week;
finally someone who khows wtf they are talking about!!!!
Animal lover

Atlanta, GA

#57 May 3, 2010
God help our animals
freebird

Mansfield, TX

#58 May 3, 2010
Animal lover wrote:
God help our animals
GET YOUR ASS DOWN THERE WITH SOME DAWN AND START WASHING!!!!!
angel eyes

UK

#59 May 3, 2010
God/Allah is taking care of all things, all the time but man has to learn!

watch out you trickster type money manipulating con men that ruin America and other countries like greece portugal uraquay uk ireland spain turkey russia china pakistan middle east japan iceland and Canada; President Obama has got you in his sights! youve even tried to railroad His health bill with your selfish greed and speculation; but I tell you with high authority President Barack Obama is a special man who loves justice and goodness and the Lord Almighty GOD/Allah is watching over him in all matters and will deliver him success so that the world will surely see success! this I promise you faithfully as one who works for the Lord Almighty; believe on God/Allah above and you will see good things and not perish and life belongs to such as you, oh little children as you all are to me!

“Strive for balance and reason”

Since: Apr 08

Belfast, N Ireland

#60 May 3, 2010
Freedom Lover of IL wrote:
Why would a corporation be allowed to have a rig operating without any plan in place to avert a disaster. Now they are saying it will take three months to cap.
We need to add BP to list of corporations to be executed, since they now have person-hood. Goldman Sachs, Toyota and BP should be given the death sentence.
Where is the media outrage, if there were currently a republican administration in place I am sure we would be reading more scathing reports.
Republican?
As in Haliburton?
Haven't you noticed, their oily paws are all over this.
They OWN part of BP!!!
Besides, its a cartel, and BP will do exactly as Exxon did after the Alaska spill.
Promise the moon, and then when the fuss dies down. litigate.

Did you know that Exxon spent 18 years in litigation after the Alaska incident, ended up paying half of the original judgement, and took no responsibility for the long term effects of the spill?
Did you know that the oil is still present in Alaska beaches and the wildlife?
Hve you any idea as to hown many lives have been ruined and how many people are still paying a price for something which was not of their doing?

Before you jump all over BP as the sole bad guys, you should know that the industry is a cartel and BP is doing nothing the other major companies are not doing.
Safety last, and, oh goody, now we have a good excuse to jack the prices up.

We have little recourse in the face of the oil giants, except to cut our consumption.
We can all, with a bit of thought and planning, do just that.

Course, if we could be arsed, we could stop with the knee jerk reactions to whatever crap we are being fed, and start paying attention and making a LOT more noise about what some of these magacorporations are doing.

It's sooo easy to just blame it on the President, but in the face of the heavy lobbying and the opposition of vested interests, what would you suggest he can do?
freebird

Mansfield, TX

#61 May 3, 2010
interested Observer wrote:
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Republican?
As in Haliburton?
Haven't you noticed, their oily paws are all over this.
They OWN part of BP!!!
Besides, its a cartel, and BP will do exactly as Exxon did after the Alaska spill.
Promise the moon, and then when the fuss dies down. litigate.
Did you know that Exxon spent 18 years in litigation after the Alaska incident, ended up paying half of the original judgement, and took no responsibility for the long term effects of the spill?
Did you know that the oil is still present in Alaska beaches and the wildlife?
Hve you any idea as to hown many lives have been ruined and how many people are still paying a price for something which was not of their doing?
Before you jump all over BP as the sole bad guys, you should know that the industry is a cartel and BP is doing nothing the other major companies are not doing.
Safety last, and, oh goody, now we have a good excuse to jack the prices up.
We have little recourse in the face of the oil giants, except to cut our consumption.
We can all, with a bit of thought and planning, do just that.
Course, if we could be arsed, we could stop with the knee jerk reactions to whatever crap we are being fed, and start paying attention and making a LOT more noise about what some of these magacorporations are doing.
It's sooo easy to just blame it on the President, but in the face of the heavy lobbying and the opposition of vested interests, what would you suggest he can do?
HEY SMARTASS! PIPER ALPHA RING A BELL?
sophia andy

UK

#62 May 3, 2010
In order to close an open discharging possible flammable oil liquid discharging drill hole, note deep in the sea is an ideal safe environment as it now is; ie; the damage is done! ie,to block a small apperture hole as this one is, including drill head andwell debris requires high depth charge explosives applied at 10 metre radius from well head at least 12 placed charges with hour clock format spacing as near as is possible; they all have to explode simultaneosly; this will blow out a sea bed channel but will importantly cause close proximity drill hole rock to fracture and close the well head that will close the oil drill hole;

note; oil pressure is over 60,000 lbs psi

geologists need to substantiate sea bed rock strata type to a depth of 100 metres, ie, if it is soft sediment, this type of operation can not work or take place, cause soft sedimentary rock will just gush out of drill hole with the force of the oil and gas; the only way then, is bridge base technology ie 100 tons of solid granite is dropped over gush hole then massive depth charges are placed all around the rocks and some on top this will hammer blow the heavy granite rocks into the soft sedimentary rock sealing the well, even if there is multiple rsjs'and heavy plant and well head shut of valve;

navy explosives experts would have a dam good idea on how to acheive all this and far more than myself; please go ahead and get in touch with President Obama in Washington DC dept of energy they are on the ball usually in my experience or though people always think they are not; kind regards andy and sophia; good luck!
freebird

Mansfield, TX

#63 May 3, 2010
sophia andy wrote:
In order to close an open discharging possible flammable oil liquid discharging drill hole, note deep in the sea is an ideal safe environment as it now is; ie; the damage is done! ie,to block a small apperture hole as this one is, including drill head andwell debris requires high depth charge explosives applied at 10 metre radius from well head at least 12 placed charges with hour clock format spacing as near as is possible; they all have to explode simultaneosly; this will blow out a sea bed channel but will importantly cause close proximity drill hole rock to fracture and close the well head that will close the oil drill hole;
note; oil pressure is over 60,000 lbs psi
geologists need to substantiate sea bed rock strata type to a depth of 100 metres, ie, if it is soft sediment, this type of operation can not work or take place, cause soft sedimentary rock will just gush out of drill hole with the force of the oil and gas; the only way then, is bridge base technology ie 100 tons of solid granite is dropped over gush hole then massive depth charges are placed all around the rocks and some on top this will hammer blow the heavy granite rocks into the soft sedimentary rock sealing the well, even if there is multiple rsjs'and heavy plant and well head shut of valve;
navy explosives experts would have a dam good idea on how to acheive all this and far more than myself; please go ahead and get in touch with President Obama in Washington DC dept of energy they are on the ball usually in my experience or though people always think they are not; kind regards andy and sophia; good luck!
PUFF PUFF PASS DUDE!

“Strive for balance and reason”

Since: Apr 08

Belfast, N Ireland

#64 May 3, 2010
freebird wrote:
<quoted text>HEY SMARTASS! PIPER ALPHA RING A BELL?
Thanks!
Too bad your ass isn't a wee bit smarter!!
;-))))
rman

UK

#65 May 3, 2010
bp will have it all sorted in 6 weeks: theres a rumour the've got frank spencer on the team!
rman

UK

#66 May 3, 2010
if frank sets fire to the oil and we get a bit lucky and the volcano cracks off again then we're not be able to see to vote for our gordon the man with vision who can see where he's going! please do not answer that! cause granny vexed enough!
news

UK

#67 May 3, 2010
The rig belonged to Transocean, but BP had leased it to drill an exploration well and BP bore legal responsibility for any consequences.

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