BA tie with American 'in two weeks'

BA tie with American 'in two weeks'

There are 11 comments on the www.thisismoney.co.uk story from Aug 3, 2008, titled BA tie with American 'in two weeks'. In it, www.thisismoney.co.uk reports that:

British Airways and American Airlines are expected to take the first step towards the creation of a giant airline in the next two weeks.

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confused

Lusby, MD

#1 Aug 3, 2008
Ka ching for the execs. Probably a bad deal for the workers.

Just wondering: I thought we got rid of British control in 1776?
John

Sanford, FL

#2 Aug 3, 2008
Gobal reach to almost any city in the world created with two world class airlines.

The discount airlines can't compete, with only a handful of reliever airports not even in the business centers of the U.S. let alone the world!

The leisure bus crowd is pulling back on spending and the discounters will be hurt as their market dries up.

We live in a world economy and companies need to compete and to be able to serve with a world wide reach otherwise they will be seen for what they really are regional small time players.

Since: Apr 08

Tulsa, OK

#3 Aug 3, 2008
Originally posted July 28 by me:

BA, Iberia in merger talks

Let's see the next phase, AA/BA alliance, no messy seniority lists to worry about !
YallerDog

Providence, RI

#4 Aug 3, 2008
I wonder if BA will staple the AA employees to the bottom of their seniority lists sort of like the way they did to TWA?
Adam

Boynton Beach, FL

#5 Aug 3, 2008
BA AND AA ARE NOT MERGING.

They are forming a TransAtlantic partnership like that of DL/NW/AF/KL. BA and IB may be merging. No AA jobs will be affected because of this. Just clearing things up.

Since: Apr 08

Oklahoma City, OK

#6 Aug 4, 2008
Adam wrote:
BA AND AA ARE NOT MERGING.
They are forming a TransAtlantic partnership like that of DL/NW/AF/KL. BA and IB may be merging. No AA jobs will be affected because of this. Just clearing things up.
Adam, thanks for educating YallerDog. Nothing new here. This alliance has been pursued for years before the airlines fell into the dilemma they're currently facing. It may fly now that the die has been cast by the alliances you point out. What excuse can the DOJ come up with now?
KEN

Rowlett, TX

#7 Aug 5, 2008
YallerDog wrote:
I wonder if BA will staple the AA employees to the bottom of their seniority lists sort of like the way they did to TWA?
Lets see, TWA was a bankrupt airline with no chance of survival. AA bought and kept what was left and could continue as a company. The unions have NO obligation to even allow any of those employees on the property. Delta acquired what was left of Pan Am then had Pan Am's pilots go through a hiring process. A least AA's unions put them on the bottom. By the way the pilots were merged at 7 to 1 with the most senior pilots keeping most of their seniority. In fact at present the TWA Pilots in St. Louis enjoy a super-seniority. They also enjoy a direct line to the Captains seat. Ask pilots who have been at AA for 10-18 years just how well this purchase not merger worked out for them. They have to fly with pilots who are junior to them and also they are kept from seats that only TWA pilots can occupy! Get your fact straight before you spout off about what you know nothing about!
Hmmmmm

Zephyrhills, FL

#8 Aug 6, 2008
YallerDog wrote:
I wonder if BA will staple the AA employees to the bottom of their seniority lists sort of like the way they did to TWA?
Staple to the Bottom?....They Should have just Sent ALL of them to the Desert with Their Worn Out Old Planes !!!!!!!!!!
Are You Kidding

Mount Vernon, WA

#9 Aug 7, 2008
Hmmmmm wrote:
<quoted text>Staple to the Bottom?....They Should have just Sent ALL of them to the Desert with Their Worn Out Old Planes !!!!!!!!!!
First and foremost the bankruptcy was orchestrated by Carty and Compton; to get rid of Carl Ichan's Caribu ticketing agreement, ie TWA could only sell tickets on-line on 40 cents on the dollar. AA and TWA were able to find an obscure section in the bankruptcy code to dissolve that agreement. Ican challenged that and lost in court. Also to abbrogate all union contracts and scope agreements, and to redo at a lower rate all of the TWA aircraft lease agreements.

AA acquired 186 aircraft, 757's, MD80 and 717 all newer than AA is flying presently. If the 757 are all junk; then why is Delta flying 18 (former) TWA new 757 extended range. AA also acquired countless route authorties, which still remain unused today, ie. Cairo, Istanbul, Bombay just to name a few. Hangars in LAX, ORD, JFK, landing slots, major portion of Worldspan reservation system, which AA sold for 106 million.

Carty's promise to Congress about fair equitable intergration. Remember two great airlines one great future. Also, AA f/a union staples all TWA f/a to bottom. How hypocritical for APFA who at the time had no scope clause to copy TWA f/a scope verbatim, which protects thier f/a from being stapled to the bottom of seniority list in the event of merger or AQUISITION.

Now let's cover that glorious pilot agreement. The ratio is 1 for 9, 8 AA to 1 TWA. TWA's most senior pilot at the time being 1964 hire being plugged in behind AA junior 757, which at the time was an AA 1985; then ratioing 1 TWA pilot for every 8 AA pilots, which stapled 2/3 of TWA pilot group. For example, a 1978 hire ended up with 1991 seniority. You know you can see 2 walls from space, the Great Wall of China, and The Great TWA pilot fence around STL; affectionaly called "the SLT ghetto." The former TWA pilots can't even bid thier fabricated seniority number system wide; can never fly the sacred cow 777.

Let's talk unions; what a joke. Unions fair representaton-NOT. The TWA pilots and f/a are and will forever be treated like the "red-headed step children."

Let's cut to the chase there are less than 2,000 former TWA employees from 23,0000 at AA. And these 2,000 people are nothing more thab furlough fodder; who work in a toxic work enviroment.
George

United States

#10 Aug 7, 2008
Are You Kidding wrote:
<quoted text>
bla bla ...
I am a former TWA pilot, and you need to just get over it or get lost. We work for one airline now- AA and believe me it could be a lot worse. We are still paid very well and are one of the only airlines with a generous pension left. Most of us belong to APA and we are all pulling in one direction. We don't need some bitter idiot telling us how things should have been done. Sure the senoriy list could have been better, however AA has given us full senority for pay purposes so we still do very well!

All the airlines are having a tough time with oil levels at the present price but AA is still the largest and best airline in world and that includes the contribution from the former TWA pilots are all treated as equals within our company.

You don't speak for the former TWA pilots and believe me we are doing very well without you so get lost! Airline combinations are never pretty and history has proven that over and over.

I and most of the guys I fly with are all very happy AA pilots. You perspective is very outdated!
Hmmmmm

Zephyrhills, FL

#11 Aug 7, 2008
Are You Kidding wrote:
<quoted text>
First and foremost the bankruptcy was orchestrated by Carty and Compton; to get rid of Carl Ichan's Caribu ticketing agreement, ie TWA could only sell tickets on-line on 40 cents on the dollar. AA and TWA were able to find an obscure section in the bankruptcy code to dissolve that agreement. Ican challenged that and lost in court. Also to abbrogate all union contracts and scope agreements, and to redo at a lower rate all of the TWA aircraft lease agreements.
AA acquired 186 aircraft, 757's, MD80 and 717 all newer than AA is flying presently. If the 757 are all junk; then why is Delta flying 18 (former) TWA new 757 extended range. AA also acquired countless route authorties, which still remain unused today, ie. Cairo, Istanbul, Bombay just to name a few. Hangars in LAX, ORD, JFK, landing slots, major portion of Worldspan reservation system, which AA sold for 106 million.
Carty's promise to Congress about fair equitable intergration. Remember two great airlines one great future. Also, AA f/a union staples all TWA f/a to bottom. How hypocritical for APFA who at the time had no scope clause to copy TWA f/a scope verbatim, which protects thier f/a from being stapled to the bottom of seniority list in the event of merger or AQUISITION.
Now let's cover that glorious pilot agreement. The ratio is 1 for 9, 8 AA to 1 TWA. TWA's most senior pilot at the time being 1964 hire being plugged in behind AA junior 757, which at the time was an AA 1985; then ratioing 1 TWA pilot for every 8 AA pilots, which stapled 2/3 of TWA pilot group. For example, a 1978 hire ended up with 1991 seniority. You know you can see 2 walls from space, the Great Wall of China, and The Great TWA pilot fence around STL; affectionaly called "the SLT ghetto." The former TWA pilots can't even bid thier fabricated seniority number system wide; can never fly the sacred cow 777.
Let's talk unions; what a joke. Unions fair representaton-NOT. The TWA pilots and f/a are and will forever be treated like the "red-headed step children."
Let's cut to the chase there are less than 2,000 former TWA employees from 23,0000 at AA. And these 2,000 people are nothing more thab furlough fodder; who work in a toxic work enviroment.
So Whats your Point? I don't see a Problem....

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