Economist 'gagged' over ETS attack

THE nation's peak science agency has tried to gag the publication of a paper by one of its senior environmental economists attacking the Rudd Government's climate change policies.

[I Am DigitaP]

Kill an environmentalist, feed him to your pet lion.

[I Am DigitaP]

LoL i thought i was posting on the ''meat causes half all GGs" sorry

[Earthling]

It would appear that gagging anyone who doesn't toe the party line on emission control is the way things are being done these days.
We can only hope that common sense starts spreading soon and we get back to sensible reasoning instead of panic.

[Brian_G]

They don't want us to know how much it will cost us every time we heat a meal, turn on a light or start our car.

[LessHypeMoreFact]

I have to agree with Dr. Splash. Cap and Trade is not economically effective and never will be. The model does not work for such ubiquitous emissions.

You need a 'carbon surcharge' to put a price on carbon AT THE SOURCE if there is to be any serious progress.

But OZ is politically on the same path as the U.S., EU and UK. Mostly trying to find ways to 'feed' off of emissions reductions to transfer public money to private hands. The rise of corporate power over politics depends on well financed lobbyists and permissive lobby rules.

[Earthling]

LessHypeMoreFact wrote:

You need a 'carbon surcharge' to put a price on carbon AT THE SOURCE if there is to be any serious progress.

Any type of surcharge put on carbon, "AT THE SOURCE" is always paid for by the consumer of the product, that's basic economics.
Anyone who thinks differently is daft.

[I Am DigitaP]

LessHypeMoreFact wrote:

I have to agree with Dr. Splash. Cap and Trade is not economically effective and never will be. The model does not work for such ubiquitous emissions.
You need a 'carbon surcharge' to put a price on carbon AT THE SOURCE if there is to be any serious progress.
But OZ is politically on the same path as the U.S., EU and UK. Mostly trying to find ways to 'feed' off of emissions reductions to transfer public money to private hands. The rise of corporate power over politics depends on well financed lobbyists and permissive lobby rules.

Here's this dipstick's GuRu Daddy: the "Smartest man in science"

From the Church of The Lens most oft-quoted Scripture body, Wikipedia:

He used his positions to arrange prizes for his friends (Jacobus van't Hoff, Wilhelm Ostwald, Theodore Richards) and to attempt to deny them to his enemies (Paul Ehrlich, Walther Nernst)."

Here is what other science he was interested in:

I never heard of it before but apparently he was a bigtime specialist in it, he was going around telling everybody how to run their

"Racial Biology."

Well you see,

"Svante Arrhenius was also actively engaged in the process leading to the creation in 1922 of The State Institute for Racial Biology in Uppsala, Sweden, which had originally been planned as a Nobel Institute. Arrhenius was a member of the institute's board, as he had been in The Swedish Society for Racial Hygiene (Eugenics), founded in 1909. Swedish racial biology was world-leading at this time, and the results formed the scientific basis for the Compulsory sterilization program in Sweden, as well as inspiring the Nazi eugenics in Germany."

That's straight from the Church's mouth. Wikipedia is Church of the Lens Scripture and I

DENY I believe in the Measureless Massless Moving Molecules of Melting Mannian Mayhem

DENY Arrenius's "Racial Biology" where GENOCIDE's the answer.

DENY Jim "Hide!!!" Hansen's Global COOLING scam AND I

DENY his GLOBAL WARMING SCAM

I DENY having any respect for the field of professional science hacks who GIVE FALSE PRIZES.

Note he was going around giving out FALSE PRIZES AND THE very science celebrating him GIVES OUT: WHAT? FALSE PRIZES.

You can't make these hillbillies' fixations on CRIME and CORRUPTION of SCIENCE UP.

FOUNDER of N.A.Z.I. EUGENICS????

This is what's presented to us as a "field of flawless experts.

Jimmie James Hansen the guy who couldn't tell us the weather YESTERDAY when we PAID him to.

Mann who has a BRANCH of STATISTICS NAMED for him, "MANNIAN STATISTICS" which MEANS: DESIGNED WITH FRAUD IN MIND;

Hansen who told us about the 2006-07 SUPER EL NINO destined to boil oceans, everybody's gonna die, blah BLAH blah.. you've heard it if you ever heard him open his mouth, "the world's ending any minute due to catostrophic weather!"

The 71 GLOBAL COOLING catastrophe scam.

The list goes on and on, of these kooks.

You tell ME: GO LOOK at photos of ARRHENIUS, Hansen and the two stooges Mike Mann and Gavin Schmidt.

Remember these people follow a man whose teachings founded the greatest "world perfect society" OF GENOCIDE ever seen.

The ONE time you CAN refer to NAZIS in modern times is that he inspired their DEATH cult.

You stay classy, Svante..
Wow.

I always knew you are a deluded hillbilly, i didn't realize what sheer criminality spawns your lies.

[I Am DigitaP]

Both Mann, and Schmidt, have that look of a greasy con man, Hansen has that delusional look of space-cadet ideologue true believer you'd expect to see on the face of a Zombie follower of one of the men whose teachings founded NAZI DEATH CAMPS for people because they were
RUINING things for THE GOOD PEOPLE.

Whenever there's a movement, examine the character of the man whose belief system FOUNDED that movement because PEOPLE LEAN toward PEOPLE who THINK LIKE THEY DO.

But ALSO true to form these rat faced and moon faced zombies of Church High Doctrinal Spin have added an even MORE sinister twist.

Their daddy Arrhenius SAID that he didn't think if the NOW suddenly DEADLY gas was harmful at ALL HE said he thought it was GOOD for the earth to be warmer.

But remember:one fraud meets another gets the idea, frauds some more.. that's how they do; they ALWAYS have to have their 'OWN IMPORTANT CONCLUSIONS' to draw a crowd of these Wal-Mart People you see shilling for this.

[I Am DigitaP]

Criminals, Frauds, Genocide for bad people;

Arrhenius: FRAUDULENT Nobel Prizes.

His greatest fan Al Gore: FRAUDULENT Nobel Prize.

Arrhenius: just eliminate people we don't like.

Global Warming Sociopaths: The world's going to end lets kill the people we don't like.

Arrhenius: denouncing people he DIDN'T want to get Nobels and MAKING that HAPPEN:

Global Warming Sociopaths: denying everyone elses's credentials.

Global Warming Sociopaths: "You're not even a CLIMATOLOGIST".

Arrenius: Was NOT a CLIMATOLOGIST.

FRAUD. So YOU CAN BET that the PEOPLE who FOLLOW him THINK like him.

[LessHypeMoreFact]

Earthling wrote:

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Any type of surcharge put on carbon, "AT THE SOURCE" is always paid for by the consumer of the product,

You are confusing a surcharge with a tax. A surcharge would be rebated on a 'relative usage' basis. I.e. homeowners would be so much and farmers ( who need a lot more power ) would get more, etc. The net effect is to increase the 'incremental PRICE' of power but not the 'mean cost' of power.

Earthling wrote:

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that's basic economics.

I've taken many basic economics and business courses. I doubt if you have since you don't seem to understand finance at all.

Earthling wrote:

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Anyone who thinks differently is daft.

The 'daft' ones are the ones who keep doing the SAME thing expecting different results. That would be a good description of YOU and other denialists.

Of course, you are driven by paranoia (about everyone else) and phobia ( about change) so I can see how you cannot help yourself, even to understand the subject.

[Brian_G]

LessHypeMoreFact wrote:

... A surcharge would be rebated on a 'relative usage' basis. I.e. homeowners would be so much and farmers ( who need a lot more power ) would get more, etc. The net effect is to increase the 'incremental PRICE' of power but not the 'mean cost' of power...
The 'daft' ones are the ones who keep doing the SAME thing expecting different results...

No, daft is taxing fossil fuel, then giving the consumers handouts. It won't help reduce CO2, it only increases taxes, creates an electorate addicted to government aid, and kills the undocumented poor, who never see a cent in rebates.

[LessHypeMoreFact]

Brian_G wrote:

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No, daft is taxing fossil fuel..

I specified a surcharge, not a tax. Though a tax would also make a lot of sense if it was accompanied by an equivalent lowering of OTHER taxes so that the tax income stays the same. Income and payroll are two 'regressive' taxes that could be reduced to compensate for a 'consumption' tax on fossil fuels.

And anyone can just look at your posts if they want an example of 'daft'.

[I Am DigitaP]

LessHypeMoreFact wrote:

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I specified a surcharge, not a tax. Though a tax would also make a lot of sense if it was accompanied by an equivalent lowering of OTHER taxes so that the tax income stays the same. Income and payroll are two 'regressive' taxes that could be reduced to compensate for a 'consumption' tax on fossil fuels.
And anyone can just look at your posts if they want an example of 'daft'.

More daft than the fact you're in here shilling for one world government

under whim of "protection for everybody from a Magically Measureless, Massleessly Moving Molecules, Melting Membrane Mechanism -

inspired by the SAME guy whose OTHER scientificatin field was RACIAL PURIFYIN?

And NOBEL FRAUD? LoL.

And we all need to surrender or freedoms to the Disciples of THIS MAN:

Racial biology

Svante Arrhenius was also actively engaged in the process leading to the creation in 1922 of The State Institute for Racial Biology in Uppsala, Sweden, which had originally been planned as a Nobel Institute. Arrhenius was a member of the institute's board, as he had been in The Swedish Society for Racial Hygiene (Eugenics), founded in 1909. Swedish racial biology was world-leading at this time, and the results formed the scientific basis for the Compulsory sterilization program in Sweden, as well as inspiring the Nazi eugenics in Germany.

Whose OTHER specialty was Nobel Fraud. Says the Scriptures of the Trailer Park Mullet Heads in their article on Old Svante,

About 1900, Arrehenius became involved in setting up the Nobel Institutes and the Nobel Prizes. He was elected a member of the Royal Swedish Academy of Sciences in 1901. For the rest of his life, he would be a member of the Nobel Committee on Physics and a de facto member of the Nobel Committee on Chemistry. He used his positions to arrange prizes for his friends (Jacobus van't Hoff, Wilhelm Ostwald, Theodore Richards) and to attempt to deny them to his enemies (Paul Ehrlich, Walther Nernst)"

So the guy who invented Dynamite and one of the founders of the NAZI RACIAL CLEANSNG GENOCIDE PROGRAMS started a PRIZE for SCIENCE.

But you didn't get it if you didn't have the RIGHT science like R.a.c.i.a.l. P.u.r.i.f.y.i.n.

And now we all need to see we're really safer in their hands, and yours.

No. It'll be too easy to just get rid of the racial cleansing "surrender to me cause I'm smarter" nordic Godheads, Hitler, Goebbels, and Arrenius.

Who wasn't even a Climatologist. His sciences were Racial Purifyin' and Chemistry.

And Fraud but that was more his hobby.

[I Am DigitaP]

It's under Svante Arrhenius in your combination Science Manual and Scriptures, Wikipedia.

[I Am DigitaP]

I suggest you repair to whatever mirror's not broken in your trailer, take a long look at yourself and ask if you want to be known as the mullet head who was going around preaching the pendng end of the world and we need to all unite under the Magical Lens, which will "finally bring about a chance for peace"

fed by disciples of one of the architects of White Global Supremacy through Racial Purifyin.

And Nobel Fraud. SPECIFICALLY FRAUD designed to QUENCH interest in OTHER PEOPLE'S DISCOVERIES.

Cause that's what you're in here shilling for.

Go look at that mullet and ask yourself if you really want to lay down at night inspired by the movement whose founder is that man.

Because birds of a feather flock together and your flocks got a lot of criminopathology connected with it's thinking.
One of the LEGENDARY, even FABLED SYMPTOMS of LOSING IT

is becoming fixated on the end of the world.

ESPECIALLY when the same people start talking about how there needs to be ONE world GOVERNEMT to keep us all SAFE FROM IT . LoL.

Your RACIAL GENOCIDE GURU is DENIED
Your M.a.g.i.c.a.l. Lens is DENIED.
your END of the WORLD PANIC is DENIED.

Simply, without one word of apology or even respect for your efforts. You're a disciple of a FRAUD movement.

Founded by a FRAUD.
And a MASS MURDER ARCHITECT who like Jim HIDE!!! Hansen was "just helpin' those guys out' in the Global COOLING modeling SCAM.

[Brian_G]

LessHypeMoreFact wrote:

I specified a surcharge, not a tax. Though a tax would also make a lot of sense if it was accompanied by an equivalent lowering of OTHER taxes so that the tax income stays the same. Income and payroll are two 'regressive' taxes that could be reduced to compensate for a 'consumption' tax on fossil fuels.
And anyone can just look at your posts if they want an example of 'daft'.

Income tax in the US is progressive, higher incomes pay a higher percent in tax. A government surcharge is just another name for tax, there is no difference.

[Earthling]

LessHypeMoreFact wrote:

You are confusing a surcharge with a tax. A surcharge would be rebated on a 'relative usage' basis. I.e. homeowners would be so much and farmers ( who need a lot more power ) would get more, etc. The net effect is to increase the 'incremental PRICE' of power but not the 'mean cost' of power.

Call it whatever you like, it amounts to the same thing, an increase in cost.

LessHypeMoreFact wrote:

I doubt if you have since you don't seem to understand finance at all.

I understood it well enough to be able to retire in 1988 at age 47 and not have to work since then.

LessHypeMoreFact wrote:

Of course, you are driven by paranoia (about everyone else) and phobia ( about change) so I can see how you cannot help yourself, even to understand the subject.

"Paranoia?"
"Phobia?"
From where I'm sitting, those descriptions belong to people who fear the unknown and believe in badly thought out science and fairies.
Stick to science, kiddo, your attempt at psychoanalysis is pathetic.

[LessHypeMoreFact]

I Am DigitaP wrote:

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More daft than the fact you're in here shilling for one world government

Paranoid delusion or non-sequitur?

[LessHypeMoreFact]

Earthling wrote:

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Call it whatever you like, it amounts to the same thing, an increase in cost.

An increase in PRICE of fossil fuels with no extra COST. You didn't take ANY economics courses did you?

Neither the rebated surcharge, nor a 'trade' in taxes to reduce regressive penalties to growth ( jobs and income ) would be an increase in the tax burden.

OTOH, Cap and Trade is purely punitive.

Earthling wrote:

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<quoted text>I understood it well enough to be able to retire in 1988 at age 47 and not have to work since then.

This isn't about YOU. I know lots of people that failed university but made a bundle because they KNEW THE RIGHT PEOPLE and were 'followers' for whom the phrase 'if you need an opinion, I'll give it to you' made sense. They made good money by being the kind of guy that the wealthy want around them.'Useful Idiots' or 'Yes Men' to be exact.

Nothing about YOU will change agw or the consequences. And you don't have to UNDERSTAND economics to benefit from it.

Earthling wrote:

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<quoted text>"Paranoia?"
"Phobia?"
From where I'm sitting, those descriptions belong to people who fear the unknown and believe in badly thought out science and fairies.

Your panaoia and belief in badly though out science is why you OPPOSE the 'science establishment. Hmm. 47 in 1988... means you are around 68 years old. Not easy to think so well any more?

Earthling wrote:

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Stick to science, kiddo, your attempt at psychoanalysis is pathetic.

No psychoanalysis. Just an observation of your postings. I doubt if the popular conception and use of the term is medically accurate, but everyone knows what 'paranoia' is.. and who demonstrates the signs..

That given, we're all a little daft 'cept me and thee and I'm not sure about thee.. ;-)

[Earthling]

LessHypeMoreFact wrote:

An increase in PRICE of fossil fuels with no extra COST. You didn't take ANY economics courses did you?
Neither the rebated surcharge, nor a 'trade' in taxes to reduce regressive penalties to growth ( jobs and income ) would be an increase in the tax burden.
OTOH, Cap and Trade is purely punitive.

As I said before, call it whatever you like, it would be an unnecessary increase in costs.

LessHypeMoreFact wrote:

This isn't about YOU.

So why go on to say:

LessHypeMoreFact wrote:

I know lots of people that failed university but made a bundle because they KNEW THE RIGHT PEOPLE and were 'followers' for whom the phrase 'if you need an opinion, I'll give it to you' made sense. They made good money by being the kind of guy that the wealthy want around them.'Useful Idiots' or 'Yes Men' to be exact.

I don't belong in any of those categories, I'm one of the oddballs who did it the hard way.

LessHypeMoreFact wrote:

Nothing about YOU will change agw or the consequences. And you don't have to UNDERSTAND economics to benefit from it.

You're now talking about people like Fat Al and all the other entrepreneurs who will make a killing out of this myth.

LessHypeMoreFact wrote:

Your panaoia and belief in badly though out science is why you OPPOSE the 'science establishment.

I oppose flawed science, which is the, "badly though out science," no, "pananoia" here.

LessHypeMoreFact wrote:

Hmm. 47 in 1988... means you are around 68 years old. Not easy to think so well any more?

Many people have problems thinking throughout their lives, while my perception has improved over the years, particularly with regard to the ever present global scares that arrive one after the other.

LessHypeMoreFact wrote:

No psychoanalysis. Just an observation of your postings. I doubt if the popular conception and use of the term is medically accurate, but everyone knows what 'paranoia' is.. and who demonstrates the signs..

"Everyone" doesn't know the signs and your terminology is far from, "medically accurate."
Don't give up your day job.

LessHypeMoreFact wrote:

That given, we're all a little daft 'cept me and thee and I'm not sure about thee.. ;-)

The correct order is, "Thee and me" and I'm absolutely certain about thee, he who believes Co2 isn't vital for life.