US Airways, American Airlines may talk merger

Apr 19, 2012 | Posted by: roboblogger | Full story: WABC 7

Unions at American Airlines plan to support a potential takeover offer by rival US Airways, according to two people familiar with the situation.

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If this merger goes through, it could take 10-20 years to realize the benefits. The employee seniority issues alone would make any previous merger look seamless. Would the AA or USAir name survive? APA or ALPA? JFK or PHL?

I read that UA and CO had a combined 13 overlapping routes and they were forced to give up slots and gates. Imagine what an AA/US combination would have to give up and literally hand over to the LCCs.

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Apr 21, 2012
 
So what flavor Kool Aid was W.Douglas Parker serving at the union discussions? Whatever is was it convinced the ignorant and stupid union leaders that they will get a better deal at US ScAIR. Who in their right mind would think that any corporation would take on a high paid unproductive work force and turn it into gold? It's the assets their after boys and girls. Not you lAAzy asses.

Not the right decision, and time will tell. You have only yourselves to blame if this goes through. Oh by the way, you can rest assure that the AMR managers will get their Golden Parachutes and the only thing you will get is the Golden Shaft!
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I feel bad for the AA employees if this happens. However they will get a taste of their own medicine for what they did to the TWA employees. Not gonna be fun being a new hire with 10, 20 or even 30 years and they will dump the pensions too. I have no idea how AA unions could endorse this.
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Apr 21, 2012
 
The best scenario for the employees is a "new" AA emerging from BK as a stand alone airline. Yes, many employees will be cut but the same will happen with a merger.
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Bless y'all's hearts...but this is what you get when you support unions and the muslim president your unions elected. In 2012 we WILL get the wonderful Mitt Romney elected for POTUS and that EVIL Obama will be gone! God Bless! Praise Jesus! Once again the United States shall live!

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Apr 22, 2012
 
Kelly Field wrote:
The best scenario for the employees is a "new" AA emerging from BK as a stand alone airline. Yes, many employees will be cut but the same will happen with a merger.
The new AA is good if you happen to live in a hub, which logically most employees do. Other employees aren't so lucky. Also the Board of Directors that allowed the only entity in the industry to consistantly lose money remains in place with many of the same managers. The plan is to grow in the focus cities by 20%. To where? Won't growth use more of that very expensive fuel? Will the new contract employees running the out cities have the same dedication as the current AA employees? What do AA employees get with a merger from USAir. Not much, there will be cuts, especially out east. 8,000 fewer than AA has proposed Mr. Parker claimed. My opinion. The unions feel anger towards management after all of the bonuses, and years of stalemated negotiation. Plus they stand to lose alot of dues paying members. They will go with anyone who promises to oust the afor mentioned Board and managers.

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DFWFRED wrote:
I feel bad for the AA employees if this happens. However they will get a taste of their own medicine for what they did to the TWA employees. Not gonna be fun being a new hire with 10, 20 or even 30 years and they will dump the pensions too. I have no idea how AA unions could endorse this.
AA is the larger entity. When the time comes to vote for which union is going to be running the show, who's do you think will win? Would AA's unions endorse a deal that eliminates many dues paying members? AA employees didn't screw TWA or Reno Air or AirCal for that matter, the management did. It would be ironic if charma bit back at AA, but those managers will likely be floating away with their golden parachutes anyway. Personally I have 25 years and am 3rd from the bottom of FT in my station. 3 things can happen to me. 1) My station replaces the union with contract employees that are paid half what I make now. I am forced to chase my job with at least a 4 hour drive each day, or uproot my family.(That is currently going to happen) 2) USAirways buys AA, I do not retain my seniority, but I keep my job and house.(note I said I 3rd from the bottom now anyway). 3) USAirways buys AA, I carry my seniority. I get to keep my house and have a cushion under me for any potential layoffs down the road.(better shifts and days off too). Unless the company lets stations my size stay open, I am of course pro merger. Do I like the way USAir is run, not really. It is however the best thing for me though
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So many comments from disgruntled (former?) employees. No merger in history has ever been a panacea for everyone. Unions, in this case, must bear their share of blame for the existing conditions at AA (and USAirways as well). The marketplace dictates more mergers, good or bad, and USAirways management is as good as any, to be orchestrating the details. The merger should occur with them; the surviving company would be called American, and will ultimately be stronger than either of the two now are. It is what it is.

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Don't want to be the nemesis here regarding this merger. Read the following article to get a glimpse of what is going on:

http://www.tulsaworld.com/business/article.as...

How can the AA union merger work if America West/USAirways is still in the process of fixing their 2005 nightmare? Do you think for one moment that the AA unions would cave in? They didn't while negotiating with AMR, why would they have a change of heart now? Layoffs and cutbacks are inevitable no matter what the name of the corporation is that you're working for, would you rather receive the consequences from AMR or US Airways?

Wake up boys and girls, if this goes through the fuse on your dynamite stick just got much, much shorter and it will blow up in your face.
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Prost wrote:
<quoted text>AA is the larger entity. When the time comes to vote for which union is going to be running the show, who's do you think will win? Would AA's unions endorse a deal that eliminates many dues paying members? AA employees didn't screw TWA or Reno Air or AirCal for that matter, the management did. It would be ironic if charma bit back at AA, but those managers will likely be floating away with their golden parachutes anyway. Personally I have 25 years and am 3rd from the bottom of FT in my station. 3 things can happen to me. 1) My station replaces the union with contract employees that are paid half what I make now. I am forced to chase my job with at least a 4 hour drive each day, or uproot my family.(That is currently going to happen) 2) USAirways buys AA, I do not retain my seniority, but I keep my job and house.(note I said I 3rd from the bottom now anyway). 3) USAirways buys AA, I carry my seniority. I get to keep my house and have a cushion under me for any potential layoffs down the road.(better shifts and days off too). Unless the company lets stations my size stay open, I am of course pro merger. Do I like the way USAir is run, not really. It is however the best thing for me though
You are wrong about the AA's FA's union. Mgmt accepted the demands of the union to get TWA quickly. Since that date, laws have been enacted that will no longer ever allow for employees to be stapled to the bottom. DAL/NWA FA's received DOH. CAL/UAL FA's received DOH. In all the comments about the merger I haven't seen one that looks closely @ the 2 largest AL mergers, DAL/NWA UAL/CAL DAL made 1.5 billion in 2011, w/ high fuel, slow economies. Our merger will be complete effective 01May12 when all 22000 FA's start flying 2gether. This one great feat will allow the Corp to reap the synergies promised @ about 500 mil a yr!
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Mrs Cole wrote:
In 2012 we WILL get the wonderful Mitt Romney elected for POTUS and that EVIL Obama will be gone!
With all due respect Mrs. Cole please crawl back under your rock.
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<quoted text>Will the new contract employees running the out cities have the same dedication as the current AA employees?
Many AA cities have been outsourced for years and they obviously do an acceptable job.
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tulaaretired wrote:
Don't want to be the nemesis here regarding this merger. Read the following article to get a glimpse of what is going on:
http://www.tulsaworld.com/business/article.as...
How can the AA union merger work if America West/USAirways is still in the process of fixing their 2005 nightmare? Do you think for one moment that the AA unions would cave in? They didn't while negotiating with AMR, why would they have a change of heart now? Layoffs and cutbacks are inevitable no matter what the name of the corporation is that you're working for, would you rather receive the consequences from AMR or US Airways?
Wake up boys and girls, if this goes through the fuse on your dynamite stick just got much, much shorter and it will blow up in your face.
NONE of it would be like this if the corrupt unions had not pushed for Obama to get elected. Nothing will change until Obama is GONE!
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<quoted text>With all due respect Mrs. Cole please crawl back under your rock.
Let me guess, your one of those little girly-boys that flutters up and down the aisle with pixie dust and looking at the businessmen's crotches. Your part of the problem of what is wrong with America and why we have the vile corruption in office we have now. Romney 2012! Say good-bye butter-cup fairy!
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Toad wrote:
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You are wrong about the AA's FA's union. Mgmt accepted the demands of the union to get TWA quickly. Since that date, laws have been enacted that will no longer ever allow for employees to be stapled to the bottom. DAL/NWA FA's received DOH. CAL/UAL FA's received DOH. In all the comments about the merger I haven't seen one that looks closely @ the 2 largest AL mergers, DAL/NWA UAL/CAL DAL made 1.5 billion in 2011, w/ high fuel, slow economies. Our merger will be complete effective 01May12 when all 22000 FA's start flying 2gether. This one great feat will allow the Corp to reap the synergies promised @ about 500 mil a yr!
Your unions are the problem because they support Obama and his destruction of the American way of life. You as a fudge-packer who supports two men getting married are PERFECT example of what is wrong with the once great country. Should'nt you be in a bookstore in San Francisco giving head, not doing a single woman's job? Say good-bye to your LIBERAL man-sex child molester "life-style" once Romney is in office! Burn in hell! Praise Jesus and God Bless!
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Mrs Cole wrote:
<quoted text>NONE of it would be like this if the corrupt unions had not pushed for Obama to get elected. Nothing will change until Obama is GONE!
What has Obama got to do with the financial condition of AA? The major airlines went through the bankruptcy process and now AA is the last. Didn't realize Obama was at the helm in 2001 when the airlines started bleeding money.

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Toad wrote:
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You are wrong about the AA's FA's union. Mgmt accepted the demands of the union to get TWA quickly. Since that date, laws have been enacted that will no longer ever allow for employees to be stapled to the bottom. DAL/NWA FA's received DOH. CAL/UAL FA's received DOH. In all the comments about the merger I haven't seen one that looks closely @ the 2 largest AL mergers, DAL/NWA UAL/CAL DAL made 1.5 billion in 2011, w/ high fuel, slow economies. Our merger will be complete effective 01May12 when all 22000 FA's start flying 2gether. This one great feat will allow the Corp to reap the synergies promised @ about 500 mil a yr!
This is usefull. you're telling me a law was enacted that eliminated battles over seniority? What is the name of this law? Does it render Allegehny-Mohawk useless?

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<quoted text>Many AA cities have been outsourced for years and they obviously do an acceptable job.
I know, lowered expectations of the flying public make satisfaction simple. The ramp airline career is a dying entity. It simply saddens me. I spoke with a guy many years ago who was looking forward to a good paying job that would provide for his family. He wanted to leave working for the FBO to be with a carrier. I laughed and told him beause he would work for his current wage, he would one day work my planes when he replaced me. Same crappy wages and no benefits... that day has come.
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JetBlast wrote:
If this merger goes through, it could take 10-20 years to realize the benefits. The employee seniority issues alone would make any previous merger look seamless. Would the AA or USAir name survive? APA or ALPA? JFK or PHL?
I read that UA and CO had a combined 13 overlapping routes and they were forced to give up slots and gates. Imagine what an AA/US combination would have to give up and literally hand over to the LCCs.
You don't have a clue what your talking about. There is overlap in minimal markets and even less overlap that would leave the destination a "single carrier" location which is truly what the DOJ is concerned with. From the perspectives of both employee groups, and industry analyst, this merger is required for both carriers to not "die on the vine" as DAL and UAL take over the industry.

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AA name survives
APA
JFK, if it comes tom that as that is where the higher revenue traveler resides
As far as handing over...not much at all.
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And just when does upper management take any blame? They are continuing to point their fingers at EVERYONE else. Labor, fuel, economy, world events and competition. All while continuing to take massive BONUSES.

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