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Pilots' union says American Airlines management is "listening" in current round of negotiations

There are 19 comments on the Dallas Morning News story from Oct 15, 2012, titled Pilots' union says American Airlines management is "listening" in current round of negotiations. In it, Dallas Morning News reports that:

Talks between the union representing pilots at American Airlines Inc. and management appear to be going well, though no agreements have been reached yet.

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Betsy

Fort Lauderdale, FL

#1 Oct 15, 2012
Lets see if they really want to negotiate....and by 'they', I am referencing the management. And lets see what the BOD for APA decides.....?

Since: May 08

Santee CA

#2 Oct 16, 2012
I "listen" to my kid too. But then still tell her no because my mind is made up.
steve

Bedford, VA

#3 Oct 16, 2012
I hope an agreement can be reached as more than just the pilots jobs are at stake.
Look at the world economy today, the worst I have ever seen, no time to be consumed with trying to reach for the sky when the alternative is pounding the pavement in these tough times.
Betsy

Fort Lauderdale, FL

#4 Oct 16, 2012
steve wrote:
I hope an agreement can be reached as more than just the pilots jobs are at stake.
Look at the world economy today, the worst I have ever seen, no time to be consumed with trying to reach for the sky when the alternative is pounding the pavement in these tough times.
Steve,
Lets be clear....no one( except management, and the BOD of APA, that have a 'unique' relationship as they like to call it).... is trying to reach for the sky here. Just an industry standard contract, and what has been legally promised for years.
Betsy

Fort Lauderdale, FL

#5 Oct 16, 2012
Prost wrote:
I "listen" to my kid too. But then still tell her no because my mind is made up.
Prost,

Thats right...listen...and then say NO....he#*ll NO.
Enough is enough
steve

Bedford, VA

#6 Oct 17, 2012
Betsy wrote:
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Steve,
Lets be clear....no one( except management, and the BOD of APA, that have a 'unique' relationship as they like to call it).... is trying to reach for the sky here. Just an industry standard contract, and what has been legally promised for years.
Times have changed and many are having a hard time accepting this fact.The industry standard is changing as we speak, wages are dropping, benefits are becoming less attractive in the airline industry but it sure beats what else is out there.
Trying to hold out for more may in the end result in less than was offered in the past. Where does a pilot go for work outside the industry? Slim pickings out there.
The world is not the same place it was ten years ago and there is no going back to the good old days.
I hope cooler heads will prevail and reality sets in for all employees involved.

Since: May 08

Santee CA

#7 Oct 17, 2012
steve wrote:
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Times have changed and many are having a hard time accepting this fact.The industry standard is changing as we speak, wages are dropping, benefits are becoming less attractive in the airline industry but it sure beats what else is out there.
Trying to hold out for more may in the end result in less than was offered in the past. Where does a pilot go for work outside the industry? Slim pickings out there.
The world is not the same place it was ten years ago and there is no going back to the good old days.
I hope cooler heads will prevail and reality sets in for all employees involved.
Every industry is going thru it. As people lose jobs they cannnot afford the same things. That cuts into others profits. Companies respond by cutting wages and benefits. People can no longer afford the same things. See the pattern. Here is the sad part. When you raise my medical costs (assuming you don't eliminate the benefit) and cut my wages to force me to again make cuts at home, Why do you as a manager reward yourself and your team with millions of dollars? Here is my solution. Give that millions you paid yourself to your employees. Then I can afford to take my family to dinner once a week. Maybe I can buy more goods (preferably made in America) Then those companies will make money and not have to cut etc. Just a thought from a soon to be unemployed guy working for a company whose managers will share about 600 million amoung themselves. Hey which one of you guys wants to buy my house?
Betsy

Fort Lauderdale, FL

#8 Oct 17, 2012
steve wrote:
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Times have changed and many are having a hard time accepting this fact.The industry standard is changing as we speak, wages are dropping, benefits are becoming less attractive in the airline industry but it sure beats what else is out there.
Trying to hold out for more may in the end result in less than was offered in the past. Where does a pilot go for work outside the industry? Slim pickings out there.
The world is not the same place it was ten years ago and there is no going back to the good old days.
I hope cooler heads will prevail and reality sets in for all employees involved.
Steve,
I am painfully aware that the industry standard has changed. The pilots of AA, just want what the 'current' industry standard pay rates and benefits are,...same as: Delta, United, Southwest. Unless, you have personally lived through years of relations with AMR....you have no idea, what the employees 'reality' is....
Betsy

Fort Lauderdale, FL

#9 Oct 17, 2012
Prost wrote:
<quoted text>Every industry is going thru it. As people lose jobs they cannnot afford the same things. That cuts into others profits. Companies respond by cutting wages and benefits. People can no longer afford the same things. See the pattern. Here is the sad part. When you raise my medical costs (assuming you don't eliminate the benefit) and cut my wages to force me to again make cuts at home, Why do you as a manager reward yourself and your team with millions of dollars? Here is my solution. Give that millions you paid yourself to your employees. Then I can afford to take my family to dinner once a week. Maybe I can buy more goods (preferably made in America) Then those companies will make money and not have to cut etc. Just a thought from a soon to be unemployed guy working for a company whose managers will share about 600 million amoung themselves. Hey which one of you guys wants to buy my house?
Prost,
thats right, the management and all the execs are making millions.( for running the airline into the ground)Yet some how, folks like Steve, think the employees need to suck it up, and take all the hits. Be grateful that they still have a job.

Hmmmm. Thats like a victim saying thanks for not beating me after the rape. I am ever so grateful! Really....you folks are crazy.
steve

Bedford, VA

#10 Oct 18, 2012
Betsy wrote:
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Prost,
thats right, the management and all the execs are making millions.( for running the airline into the ground)Yet some how, folks like Steve, think the employees need to suck it up, and take all the hits. Be grateful that they still have a job.
Hmmmm. Thats like a victim saying thanks for not beating me after the rape. I am ever so grateful! Really....you folks are crazy.
You still do not seem to get the point I am trying to make. Sure it stinks that management is insulated from pay and benefit cuts but no amount of railing vocally will change it. There are only 2 choices for the pilots,get the best contract under the situation of AA being in chapter 11 or look for work elsewhere. That's it.
As bad as the pilots feel about pay cuts and work rule changes, it sure beats whats out in the job environment today.
As I said, the radio talk show mentality of ranting and raving accomplishes nothing except fill the pockets of the hosts and the same ranting and raving on this subject does nothing except for some to blow off steam. I guess if it makes you feel good, so be it. Still its wasted time and energy that can be focused elsewhere.
Don't fall into the ditto head mentality that makes morons of the listeners of talk radio. Deal with reality, start planning to reduce monthly costs, work with your family to coalesce and with all pitching together, workers will get through this.
I did going through 2 chapter 11's at airways.
Betsy

Fort Lauderdale, FL

#11 Oct 18, 2012
OMG Steve, I clearly get your point....I simply do not agree with it!!!!!
we will have to agree to disagree. I dont know you, and you dont know me. I am painfully aware of my reality. I have so many comments, that I could reply....but I will refrain.

My husband has been a Pilot since he was 16 years old.
He has a lot more than 2 choices at you put it.
Radio talk show....morons....? what are you talking about?
steve

Bedford, VA

#12 Oct 18, 2012
Betsy wrote:
OMG Steve, I clearly get your point....I simply do not agree with it!!!!!
we will have to agree to disagree. I dont know you, and you dont know me. I am painfully aware of my reality. I have so many comments, that I could reply....but I will refrain.
My husband has been a Pilot since he was 16 years old.
He has a lot more than 2 choices at you put it.
Radio talk show....morons....? what are you talking about?
What I mean by talk show morons are those who listen and called the host to say they agree with him about something completely out of their control. Just offering a blurb means nothing and people think they made a difference,what nonsense.
So many complaints about AA management which is not much different from other large corporations are just wasted words. You or I will never change the inequities of big business just like no one can change the weather. Everybody is aware how greedy upper brass is but this is capitalism in action,like it or not,this is how the system works.
And what other choices do pilots have, go on strike and close down the airline and put thousands of other workers out of a job? I know what the job opportunities are out there and they are not that good.I have many skills but the older you get,you are viewed with less value and for a long time I looked for another job but all other offers were deficient in pay and the benefits were terrible and expensive so I stayed with my airline job till retirement.One of the questions I was first asked on an interview was how old was I. I knew that was the kiss of death.
I felt resentment but still did my job to the best of my ability and lived my life within my means. It meant lowering my standard of living and doing without at times but still my family got by.
In the end,what good does ranting and raving do? Does it make the situation better? Does it help to deal honestly with reality? I have heard some pilots say close the airline down, what a narrow minded thing to say and how uncaring with regard to the many other workers who don't earn anything near what a pilot earns.
The whole worlds economy is in turmoil and only those who accept that fact and prepare for it will get by. Remember the 1929 stock market crash,its about to be repeated.
Betsy

Fort Lauderdale, FL

#13 Oct 18, 2012
Whats the old saying...If your talking ( explaining) your losing.

You seem to continue with long posts....ranting and raving, as you put it.

Are you a Pilot? Are you an expert on job opportunities? You keep stating..."I"...
Is this ' all about you'?

You seem to have resentment for the pilots?

Dont be a hater!

Yes, they are overpaid, prima dona, arrogant talented folks....are you jealous?
steve

Bedford, VA

#14 Oct 19, 2012
Betsy wrote:
Whats the old saying...If your talking ( explaining) your losing.
You seem to continue with long posts....ranting and raving, as you put it.
Are you a Pilot? Are you an expert on job opportunities? You keep stating..."I"...
Is this ' all about you'?
You seem to have resentment for the pilots?
Dont be a hater!
Yes, they are overpaid, prima dona, arrogant talented folks....are you jealous?
I don't have any resentment towards the pilots at all. All I was trying to get across is do not act in anger and burn bridges behind you. We all know the top brass is over paid and over compensated, talking about something that is not going to change is just fueling the feelings of frustration and anger.
If the pilots close down the airline, the top brass still will walk away with millions and nothing can be done to change that, but those left behind,the pilots,flight attendants,mechanics,gate agents,res agents will all pay the price of being out on the street. Not a nice place to be these days.
By the way,how are the negotiations going?

Since: May 08

Santee CA

#15 Oct 19, 2012
Steve, Betsy, bury the hachet already....
hatchet

Van Nuys, CA

#16 Nov 17, 2012
i dont want to be buried
Ugaf

Miami, FL

#18 Nov 19, 2012
Hachet you are one crazy motha foka.
Ugaf

Miami, FL

#19 Nov 19, 2012
Betsy wrote:
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Prost,
Thats right...listen...and then say NO....he#*ll NO.
Enough is enough
hey do you want to fight?
RWG

Cross Plains, IN

#20 Nov 21, 2012
First off, American Airlins management never , ever listens to it's employees because they think all their employees are drones, untrustworthy lazy goof balls and would pay them McDonald's wages if they could find a way to do it.
It's always been that way there and always will.

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