American Airlines unions seek mediation

American Airlines unions seek mediation

There are 27 comments on the Tulsa World story from Mar 9, 2012, titled American Airlines unions seek mediation. In it, Tulsa World reports that:

American Airlines pilots, flight attendants, mechanics and baggage handlers have asked U.S. mediators to join talks with management as the carrier seeks $1.25 billion in labor concessions, including 13,000 job cuts, in bankruptcy.

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Since: Apr 08

Tulsa, OK

#1 Mar 11, 2012
Can someone tell me what flavor koolaide are the unions drinking?

The time to play hardball and mediate has passed. AMR decided to file for bankruptcy because labor talks had reached an impasse. Mediation should have been requested a long time ago. I guess the unions were concerned that mediation at that time would have resulted in an undesirable contract and played chicken with the company. The unions never expected that AMR would play the bankruptcy card. They did, you lose!

Since: Apr 08

Tulsa, OK

#3 Mar 14, 2012
Additional information regarding AMR's financial stance on the current backruptcy proceedings, read the following article:

http://www.tulsaworld.com/business/article.as...

Mediation may be out the window and the bankruptcy court may decide about the labor agreements from here on.
AA employee

Hurst, TX

#4 Mar 14, 2012
Chicken? Your the one who probably made the company like it is. All you care about now is your damn retirement. Unlike you I have 14 years and now my job is in jeopardy for the 6th time! Why donʻt you just shut up and keep comments to yourself. AA offered a TA and the OSM is the ones who turned it down. Just keep this in mind while your on vacation in retirement land, at least you have a pension!!!!

Since: Apr 08

Tulsa, OK

#5 Mar 14, 2012
AA employee wrote:
Chicken? Your the one who probably made the company like it is. All you care about now is your damn retirement. Unlike you I have 14 years and now my job is in jeopardy for the 6th time! Why donʻt you just shut up and keep comments to yourself. AA offered a TA and the OSM is the ones who turned it down. Just keep this in mind while your on vacation in retirement land, at least you have a pension!!!!
Chicken? Not quite, I busted my ass for the company each and every day. I never ran away from my responsibilities or found a hiding place to sleep away during my work. I didn't keep quotas and stop working when I had reached the limit imposed on me by some artificial ceiling dictated to me by the lazy good for nothings working for the company. If your union, you know exactly what I'm talking about. You see, I didn't have a shop steward or union to run to and bawl like a two year brat that didn't get what they wanted or when they were reprimanded for violating the rules. I've been around your lot and I can safely say I earned my retirement in spades and it's guys like me that kept your lazy ass employed!

If you all had spent the energy you used to bitch and moan towards your work then there's no doubt in my mind that the bankruptcy could have been avoided, and you too, would get to retire respectfully when you decided it was the time to do so.

I may sound like a hard ass, but I do feel the pain for those of you that did work and dedicated yourself to the good of the company and your fellow workers! For the rest of you, the judgment day is coming. You should have manned up a long time ago.
Angry White United Pilot

Royston, GA

#6 Mar 15, 2012
Grow some balls American workers! Shut that damned airline down forever. Show america you too can put the crappy airline out of business like the machinist's at Eastern Airlines did.

Either put up or shut up!

Eastern workers found new careers, so can you!
AA employee

Hurst, TX

#7 Mar 15, 2012
As a hard worker and a Marine that served my country I donʻt like SLUGS! I prefer to actually work with one so that I can help them change their ways. If you were a hard worker then you should of help change their ways. I really would like to see the union save my job, but if I have to look for another job then so be it. The company claims Labor Labor Labor but thats not the total truth. Just remember this fellow AA employee and American citizen Union jobs made our industry what it is today. Out sourcing to China and other countries are bogus! Keep jobs in America....@ AW united pilot, Looking for a job is not what Iʻm worried about! Iʻm pissed because Mr. Horton is full of BS and being laid off for the 6th time is way way to old. Iʻm pretty sure he wouldn't like it if I laid him off 6th times...
vietnam veteran

Raleigh, NC

#8 Mar 15, 2012
AA employee wrote:
Chicken? Your the one who probably made the company like it is. All you care about now is your damn retirement. Unlike you I have 14 years and now my job is in jeopardy for the 6th time! Why donʻt you just shut up and keep comments to yourself. AA offered a TA and the OSM is the ones who turned it down. Just keep this in mind while your on vacation in retirement land, at least you have a pension!!!!
Why not attend union meetings and try to make things better, like the employees who came before you? The company went downhill during your career. Stop the whinning and get involved.
Angry Blackman

Naples, FL

#9 Mar 16, 2012
Angry White United Pilot is right!

We should shut this damned airline down. Put it out of business.

I'm tired of the white masters in Dallas taking more and more from the blackman. I'm angry and it hurts.

Shut this airline down. Like AWUP said; grow some balls and shut this place down.

If Eastern Airlines could, so can we.
Rabbit62

Seattle, WA

#10 Mar 20, 2012
If management refuses to negotiate in good faith, I hope the judge sees thru the game they are playing. Just possibly they are a disgrace to the American way. Management can make a lot more money by hiring foreign workers. If profit is the only goal, then American workers shold be fired..
Eduardo Bradley

Midlothian, TX

#11 Mar 21, 2012
You don't want the court to decide. It will be worse than what the company proposed.

Since: Mar 12

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#12 Mar 21, 2012
Just wait it only get's worse. Company has judge in it's back pocket, so so long pay so long benifit's so long job security.
Otto Lilienthal

Dallas, TX

#13 Mar 21, 2012
rice rocket 1 wrote:
Just wait it only get's worse. Company has judge in it's back pocket, so so long pay so long benifit's so long job security.
The judge's only interest is to see if AMR can operate profitably. If not, then it's best to shut it down.
Just Another BK

Harwick, PA

#14 Mar 21, 2012
I guess that Retirement Temporary Agreement went out the window for all the TWU employees. American is now asking Judge to abrogate all Union Contracts. Its musical chair time for all the Union groups after the inevitable layoffs come. Should have negotiated out of BK. You would have stood a better chance.
Rabbit62

Seattle, WA

#15 Mar 21, 2012
You idiots! This bankruptcy was planned for many months. The company had stonewalled to bring all the unions to a stale mate. There hasnt been meaningful negotiations on the company side since 2006, when they "opened" negotiations early for the pilots. It's been a scam all along.

Since: Mar 12

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#16 Mar 22, 2012
Bankruptcy is a buisness tool used to rid the company of union contracts. Without the threat of liquidation it will remain the go to process for inept and corrupt corprate boards.

Since: Apr 08

Tulsa, OK

#17 Mar 22, 2012
rice rocket 1 wrote:
Bankruptcy is a buisness tool used to rid the company of union contracts. Without the threat of liquidation it will remain the go to process for inept and corrupt corprate boards.
and lazy good for nothing union workers..........
The dream

United States

#18 Mar 22, 2012
rice rocket 1 wrote:
Bankruptcy is a buisness tool used to rid the company of union contracts. Without the threat of liquidation it will remain the go to process for inept and corrupt corprate boards.
I love how if each month I made LITTLE or NO money, but I still ate steak and lobster, travelled around to multiple homes all over the world which are not paid for and spent money like there was no END. I would be called STUPID,IRRESPONSIBLE, and a DEADBEAT, especially if I could no longer pay my bills, inluding my hired help. Someone with and Ivy League University education does it with Corporate FUNDS and it is SOMEHOW the "hired" help's fault or a "Unions" fault. If this is the case then we are simply living in a modern feudalism trying to pass itself off as "capitalism"...just as stupid as supporting "socialism"...
The dream

United States

#19 Mar 22, 2012
tulaaretired wrote:
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and lazy good for nothing union workers..........
Default on the pensions.....no one will ever collect on them ANYWAY....and you can always work at Walmart as a greeter! Smile OK Sunshine!

Since: Apr 08

Tulsa, OK

#20 Mar 22, 2012
The dream wrote:
<quoted text>Default on the pensions.....no one will ever collect on them ANYWAY....and you can always work at Walmart as a greeter! Smile OK Sunshine!
It appears that Walmart is doing away with the greeters. So I will have to rely on my pension that is already protected from the bankruptcy.

Too bad I don't live in Orlando, then I too can work with you at Disney World picking up the trash!
the dream

United States

#21 Mar 23, 2012
tulaaretired wrote:
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It appears that Walmart is doing away with the greeters. So I will have to rely on my pension that is already protected from the bankruptcy.
Too bad I don't live in Orlando, then I too can work with you at Disney World picking up the trash!
Your resume is too short. You have litte or no experience except waking your 'ma up before you leave for work at AA the last upteen years. You need something else besides "AA life-er" on it. Yes, let's push YOUR pension on the PBGC! That will work! Your pension is fair game just like the working wage. You MIGHT get enough out of it after the PBGC is done to buy yourself a bottle of Thunderbird to hang out under the bridge....if you have over 20 years it will be enough for box wine! Tip it! Tip it! Trust me my "pension" went bye-bye A LONG time ago! We too blamed the "unions" then we found out just how reckless our "brillant management" was with money. Enjoy the ride. It is just starting...but please keep your hands and feet inside the ride at all times.

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