Stop smoking

Apr 8, 2012 Full story: Desert Sun 27

Marvin Schurgin, American Cancer Society volunteer; Jane Warner, president and CEO of the American Lung Association; Charlie Schaeffer, cardiologist; former Assemblywoman Bonnie Garcia; and Beth Miller from the No on 29 campaign meet with the Desert Sun editorial board.

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Smokers Death Face

Winnipeg, Canada

#1 Apr 9, 2012
Yea stop smoking luzzers
Hugh Jass

Nashville, TN

#2 Apr 9, 2012
Ah, but Linda and Generalsn keep telling us that RWJF has caused all these bans to happen because they gave out $99 million in grant money over the course of 10 years.

You mean, despite that alarming expenditure to fund the brainwashing of the American public, tobacco companies were able to defeat a tax hike in California by spending a mere $66 million in one state during that one campaign?
We REALLY can't let RWJF take advantage of us like that. This huge imbalance in funding just isn't fair to the poor little tobacco companies.
Ronald

Long Beach, CA

#3 Apr 9, 2012
Hugh Jass wrote:
Ah, but Linda and Generalsn keep telling us that RWJF has caused all these bans to happen because they gave out $99 million in grant money over the course of 10 years.
You mean, despite that alarming expenditure to fund the brainwashing of the American public, tobacco companies were able to defeat a tax hike in California by spending a mere $66 million in one state during that one campaign?
We REALLY can't let RWJF take advantage of us like that. This huge imbalance in funding just isn't fair to the poor little tobacco companies.
Hugh Jass.

Yes. You are right. We are all familiar with the fact that the abuse of decent women and men who smoke tobacco began as a way for tax addicted politicians to satisfy their addiction to ever increasing taxes. At the beginning of Government's war against its own people - the many decent women and men who smoke tobacco - there was lots of resistance from Big Tobacco who campaigned against Big Government's ever greater and greater levels of taxation. Big Tobacco campaigned in defense of their overtaxed mostly worker *("middle")* class customers.

After Big Government nationalized Big Tobacco, the industry became a Government controlled and "protected" industry. As such, Big Tobacco profits soared to levels that were unimaginable before nationalization. With Big Government's protection racket protecting industry profits, Big Tobacco no longer felt it necessary to campaign in the manner they did prior to nationalization - even if Big Government were to permit them to do so.

It is always a good idea to follow the money in order to more clearly see what Big Government is doing to us. An example is the Government licensed phony "health related" "non profit" businesses. "Non profit" is Big Government code meaning taxpayer supported - businesses such as Big Heart and Big Lung. It is businesses of their ilk who are the biggest recipients of laundered Big Tobacco related money.

Meanwhile, Baby Boomers are dying like flies. It is no surprise that the elderly Baby Boomers *(the so-called "hairless" ones)* are primarily non smokers. In fact, most deaths among all age groups are overwhelmingly those of non-tobacco smokers.

Ronald
Vaccines Maim Kill

Winnipeg, Canada

#4 Apr 10, 2012
Ronald wrote:
<quoted text>
Hugh Jass.
Yes. You are right. We are all familiar with the fact that the abuse of decent women and men who smoke tobacco began as a way for tax addicted politicians to satisfy their addiction to ever increasing taxes. At the beginning of Government's war against its own people - the many decent women and men who smoke tobacco - there was lots of resistance from Big Tobacco who campaigned against Big Government's ever greater and greater levels of taxation. Big Tobacco campaigned in defense of their overtaxed mostly worker *("middle")* class customers.
After Big Government nationalized Big Tobacco, the industry became a Government controlled and "protected" industry. As such, Big Tobacco profits soared to levels that were unimaginable before nationalization. With Big Government's protection racket protecting industry profits, Big Tobacco no longer felt it necessary to campaign in the manner they did prior to nationalization - even if Big Government were to permit them to do so.
It is always a good idea to follow the money in order to more clearly see what Big Government is doing to us. An example is the Government licensed phony "health related" "non profit" businesses. "Non profit" is Big Government code meaning taxpayer supported - businesses such as Big Heart and Big Lung. It is businesses of their ilk who are the biggest recipients of laundered Big Tobacco related money.
Meanwhile, Baby Boomers are dying like flies. It is no surprise that the elderly Baby Boomers *(the so-called "hairless" ones)* are primarily non smokers. In fact, most deaths among all age groups are overwhelmingly those of non-tobacco smokers.
Ronald
They have done it for vaccines too, giving makers blanket immunity from all forms of lawsuit. Plus it has been deemed that once Licenced by the FDA no product can be the subject of lawsuit. Odd for for products we are constantly told are safe and are not connected to autism, seizures, autoimmune disorders and blood disorders . This even though they are admitted in product inserts and safety studies.
Need A Light

Dorchester, Canada

#5 Apr 10, 2012
Both so very true Ronald & VMK makes you wonder how we got here with governments who take money with both hands.

http://www.lfpress.com/news/columnists/ian_gi...
Hugh Jass

Nashville, TN

#6 Apr 10, 2012
Ronald wrote:
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Hugh Jass.
Yes. You are right.
Yes, we all agree that it is ridiculous to think anyone would believe that the rapidly proliferating restrictions on smoking were somehow the result of spending by interests opposed to public smoking. It is clear to everyone that the huge amount of money the tobacco industry puts into frustrating those regulations absolutely dwarfs any pittance that is actually spent to try to enact them.

The ludicrous efforts to imply that a public-health-directed non-profit's grants to US groups that lobby for the restrictions were somehow responsible for what is actually a global phenomenon, when the grants in question--over the course of a decade--don't add up to the money the US tobacco industry spends on FOUR DAYS of advertising alone.

Over the last half of a century the tobacco industry has spent an enormous amount of money on scientists who helped them figure out how best to manipulate people through the chemical content of their products. They have spent even more on PR firms to help them figure out how best to manipulate people--certainly including children who cannot properly make decisions yet--through purely psychological means. If the vanishingly small amount spent by those opposing that control is sufficient to have cut their number of customers in half during that time, there is clearly some fundamental reason for quitting and for not taking up the habit.

Yes, I think we all know how vile a thing it is to market addiction while knowing that the addiction will destroy lives while providing a huge profit for the marketers. Thank you for pointing that out.
Ima Quita

United States

#7 Apr 10, 2012
I foolishly smoked for like 20 years..quit last year, then after a year had a relapse!(Started dating a gal who smoked when drinking...peer pressure is a bitch.) Now on like day 3 of quitting again. I realized the trick is to not TRY to quit...just quit.
Ronald

Long Beach, CA

#8 Apr 10, 2012
Ima Quita wrote:
I foolishly smoked for like 20 years..quit last year, then after a year had a relapse!(Started dating a gal who smoked when drinking...peer pressure is a bitch.) Now on like day 3 of quitting again. I realized the trick is to not TRY to quit...just quit.
Ima Quita.

You are exactly right. Despite Government propaganda that is disseminated to a gullible public for purposes of increased taxation and control - primarily over non-smokers - quitting smoking is the easiest thing in the world for anyone who really wants to quit. Witness to that obvious fact are the untold millions of former tobacco smokers who have quit without suffering any adverse effects.

Big Government is able to get away with such tomfoolery because many decent tobacco smokers have no desire to quit smoking tobacco - and why should they? Because Big Government collects far more tobacco taxes since it nationalized Big Tobacco? Big Government then describes those decent folks as "being unable" to quit, and use its taxpayer funded "junk science studies" that "prove" them to be "addicted".

The hysterics Big Government is able to incite to carpet munching hysteria are the fewest victims of this despicable war against ordinary worker *("middle")* class women and men who enjoy the simple pleasure of smoking an occasional tobacco product. Big Government use of its "Kick 'em in the rear so hard that they will say THANK YOU for not kicking harder!" is a time worn tactic employed by Big Government ever since the revolutionaries came to power.

Meanwhile, the revolutionary ruling class party in the shade of their wealthy enablers yachts that are tied up alongside taxpayer funded breakwaters fronting their front yards, smoking expensive imported cigars and getting falling-down drunk.

Ronald

Since: Apr 12

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#9 Apr 10, 2012
(I'm AKA Ima Quita) The first time i quit I was in Mexico for 6 weeks...it involved a fair amount of Xanax and marijuana to be honest! But really it is not that hard to quit if you really want too. It is far more of a mental thing than any physical addiction to nicotine. I screwed around this time for a couple months "trying" to quit...then giving in and buying 1 more pack. Already the cravings are not that bad...and I know that it gets easier every day...so nice to not smell those damn things!

Since: Apr 12

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#10 Apr 10, 2012
Btw Ronald...had several people in my family who smoked for years die of lung cancer. I realize you have a right to your opinion, but lets be honest here- smoking kills people. Most do not use tobacco only once in a while.
"Big Government is able to get away with such tomfoolery because many decent tobacco smokers have no desire to quit smoking tobacco - and why should they?" (Per Ronald)
They should because of the obvious and well documented adverse effects of smoking!
Ronald

Long Beach, CA

#11 Apr 10, 2012
Krackhead wrote:
(I'm AKA Ima Quita) The first time i quit I was in Mexico for 6 weeks...it involved a fair amount of Xanax and marijuana to be honest! But really it is not that hard to quit if you really want too. It is far more of a mental thing than any physical addiction to nicotine. I screwed around this time for a couple months "trying" to quit...then giving in and buying 1 more pack. Already the cravings are not that bad...and I know that it gets easier every day...so nice to not smell those damn things!
Krackhead.

Exactly. Those who "want" to quit smoking just quit. Those who do not really want to quit just "try" to quit. Often, in order put on the appearance of being politically correct to their friends, they will say they "cant" quit. It's all psychological.

Ronald
Ronald

Long Beach, CA

#12 Apr 10, 2012
Krackhead wrote:
Btw Ronald...had several people in my family who smoked for years die of lung cancer. I realize you have a right to your opinion, but lets be honest here- smoking kills people. Most do not use tobacco only once in a while.
"Big Government is able to get away with such tomfoolery because many decent tobacco smokers have no desire to quit smoking tobacco - and why should they?" (Per Ronald)
They should because of the obvious and well documented adverse effects of smoking!
Krackhead.

Yes. I agree. The world's longest lived demographic group are cigar smokers. Government is able to "prove" anything it is motivated to do at any given point in time, and Government is able to prove opposing conclusions at different points in time because Government uses unbelievable amounts of our hard earned taxpayer money to conduct every conceivable scientific "study". Those "studies" are often not necessarily evil in themselves, but rather, the evil arises from the selective manner Government pieces the results of those studies together.

Incidentally. The death rate amongst non-smokers is nearly 100%. I hope Government uses some of our hard earned tax money to address that important issue. Over the years I have lost nearly all of my non-smoker friends. I would hate to lose the few who remain.

Source: http://goo.gl/2QxIm

Source: http://goo.gl/YGIqk

Ronald

Since: Apr 12

Location hidden

#13 Apr 10, 2012
Ronald wrote:
<quoted text>
Krackhead.
Yes. I agree. The world's longest lived demographic group are cigar smokers. Government is able to "prove" anything it is motivated to do at any given point in time, and Government is able to prove opposing conclusions at different points in time because Government uses unbelievable amounts of our hard earned taxpayer money to conduct every conceivable scientific "study". Those "studies" are often not necessarily evil in themselves, but rather, the evil arises from the selective manner Government pieces the results of those studies together.
Incidentally. The death rate amongst non-smokers is nearly 100%. I hope Government uses some of our hard earned tax money to address that important issue. Over the years I have lost nearly all of my non-smoker friends. I would hate to lose the few who remain.
Source: http://goo.gl/2QxIm
Source: http://goo.gl/YGIqk
Ronald
Well afraid the death rate for all of us...smokers or not is 100%. But I am quite sure you get a few more years above ground by not smoking!
Hugh Jass

Nashville, TN

#14 Apr 10, 2012
Ronald wrote:
<quoted text>
Krackhead.
Exactly. Those who "want" to quit smoking just quit. Those who do not really want to quit just "try" to quit. Often, in order put on the appearance of being politically correct to their friends, they will say they "cant" quit. It's all psychological.
Ronald
Ah, the voice of experience? Please note that you were discussing how to absolutely quit with someone who knows because he did that--and yet is now three days into a next "absolute quitting".
He's got an excuse going for why it eventually failed the last time.
There usually is an excuse somewhere. Of course it is only OTHER people who relapse because THEY just don't have the willpower...

Since: Apr 12

Location hidden

#15 Apr 10, 2012
Uh no actually..of course it was lack of willpower. I don't think i used the term "absolute quitting". Too much crap being passed as intellect on this thread...have fun!

Since: Apr 12

Location hidden

#16 Apr 10, 2012
Ronald wrote:
<quoted text>
Krackhead.
Yes. I agree. The world's longest lived demographic group are cigar smokers. Government is able to "prove" anything it is motivated to do at any given point in time, and Government is able to prove opposing conclusions at different points in time because Government uses unbelievable amounts of our hard earned taxpayer money to conduct every conceivable scientific "study". Those "studies" are often not necessarily evil in themselves, but rather, the evil arises from the selective manner Government pieces the results of those studies together.
Incidentally. The death rate amongst non-smokers is nearly 100%. I hope Government uses some of our hard earned tax money to address that important issue. Over the years I have lost nearly all of my non-smoker friends. I would hate to lose the few who remain.
Source: http://goo.gl/2QxIm
Source: http://goo.gl/YGIqk
Ronald
read carefully...the death rate amongst non-smokers is NEARLY 100%...so what 2-3% NEVER die...WOW
Hugh Jass

Nashville, TN

#17 Apr 10, 2012
Krackhead wrote:
<quoted text>
Well afraid the death rate for all of us...smokers or not is 100%. But I am quite sure you get a few more years above ground by not smoking!
Actually, not quite 100%, since an unmanageable number of us are still breathing.
Hugh Jass

Nashville, TN

#18 Apr 10, 2012
Krackhead wrote:
Uh no actually..of course it was lack of willpower. I don't think i used the term "absolute quitting". Too much crap being passed as intellect on this thread...have fun!
Please note that I was responding to "Ronald". That particular twisted bit of a reasoner has a habit of pretending that what he is saying is somehow what someone else has said, and he had attributed his current line of crap to his agreeing with you.

Check it out and see if you can see the source of the term "absolute", okay?
Ronald wrote:
<quoted text>
Krackhead.
Exactly. Those who "want" to quit smoking just quit. Those who do not really want to quit just "try" to quit. Often, in order put on the appearance of being politically correct to their friends, they will say they "cant" quit. It's all psychological.
Ronald

Since: Apr 12

Location hidden

#19 Apr 10, 2012
Hugh Jass wrote:
<quoted text>
Please note that I was responding to "Ronald". That particular twisted bit of a reasoner has a habit of pretending that what he is saying is somehow what someone else has said, and he had attributed his current line of crap to his agreeing with you.
Check it out and see if you can see the source of the term "absolute", okay?
<quoted text>
I did of course note his "agreeing" with me...then going on to some gov't conspiracy. I also noted your reference to my being 3 days into quitting again, which is why i responded to you. I was very stupid to start again. No doubt about that. As far as what ronald said...I lost any interest in his crazed "logic".
Hugh Jass

Nashville, TN

#20 Apr 11, 2012
Krackhead wrote:
<quoted text>
I did of course note his "agreeing" with me...then going on to some gov't conspiracy. I also noted your reference to my being 3 days into quitting again, which is why i responded to you. I was very stupid to start again. No doubt about that. As far as what ronald said...I lost any interest in his crazed "logic".
Hey, there actually IS a reason for using the word "agreeing" in your last point. I certainly wish you luck in your newfound nonsmokerness.

I've got a little over 35 years on it myself. Before that, I "quit" a couple dozen times or so, lasting from half a day to two years. A lot of the time it was simply a question of forgetting that I had made the decision and accepting an offered cigarette. The two years ended when I was offered a smoke after two or three days with almost no sleep and less food, and a few hundred miles of hitching left before I got where I was going.

I understand the difficulty of quitting, and was offended by the smug proclamation "Ronald" was pushing on us.
Sorry for any spill-over on that one.

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