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Easing of coercive anti-smoking tactics welcome

There are 55 comments on the Dayton Daily News story from Jun 23, 2011, titled Easing of coercive anti-smoking tactics welcome. In it, Dayton Daily News reports that:

For weeks now, the American Cancer Society and the American Lung Association have criticized the governor and legislature for cutting funding for smoking-ban enforcement and smoking cessation.

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“POOR BRAINWASHED ANTISMOKER”

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#1 Jun 24, 2011
Wonder if ACS pays taxes on all that acquired income and property? I doubt it. I wouldnotgive themmorey or air
Hugh Jass

Nashville, TN

#2 Jun 24, 2011
Nothing like a solid, unbiased source of information. Really, nothing even close to resembling such a thing.

"Ms. Parker is regional director of the Buckeye Liquor Permit Holders Association."

“POOR BRAINWASHED ANTISMOKER”

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#3 Jun 24, 2011
Hugh Jass wrote:
Nothing like a solid, unbiased source of information. Really, nothing even close to resembling such a thing.
"Ms. Parker is regional director of the Buckeye Liquor Permit Holders Association."
are you claiming that because Ms Parker is regional director of the Buckeye Liquor Permit Holders Association she cannot do public information request for correct information or read ACS form990?
brogers

Dayton, OH

#4 Jun 24, 2011
Hugh Jass wrote:
Nothing like a solid, unbiased source of information. Really, nothing even close to resembling such a thing.
"Ms. Parker is regional director of the Buckeye Liquor Permit Holders Association."
Ms. Parker got her information directly from the ACS website.
ichoosefreedom

Reynoldsburg, OH

#5 Jun 24, 2011
Hugh Jass wrote:
Nothing like a solid, unbiased source of information. Really, nothing even close to resembling such a thing.
"Ms. Parker is regional director of the Buckeye Liquor Permit Holders Association."
How is there any BIAS in this? It's a FACT.
http://www.cancer.org/acs/groups/content/ @finance/documents/document/ac sd-005945.pdf

Scroll to page 11
Hugh Jass

Nashville, TN

#6 Jun 24, 2011
ichoosefreedom wrote:
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How is there any BIAS in this? It's a FACT.
http://www.cancer.org/acs/groups/content/ @finance/documents/document/ac sd-005945.pdf
Scroll to page 11
That is not this:

http://www.daytondailynews.com/opinion/easing...

“POOR BRAINWASHED ANTISMOKER”

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#7 Jun 25, 2011
Hugh Jass wrote:
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That is not this:
http://www.daytondailynews.com/opinion/easing...
what part ofthe documented facts in that article are you having a hissy about?
Hugh Jass

Nashville, TN

#8 Jun 25, 2011
Is the article limited to documented facts, or is there spin present?
Hugh Jass

Nashville, TN

#9 Jun 25, 2011
How much context is given to the documented facts?

How much is presented as if documented facts without proof of that status?

“Veritas Vincit. Pro Libertate”

Since: Jun 08

peoples republic of Madison

#10 Jun 25, 2011
Hugh Jass wrote:
Nothing like a solid, unbiased source of information. Really, nothing even close to resembling such a thing.
"Ms. Parker is regional director of the Buckeye Liquor Permit Holders Association."
Ahhh yes nothing like ad hominem, your topix handle suits you. By unbiased you wouldn't mean someone like Jonathen Samet would you?
http://veritasvincitprolibertate.wordpress.co...

“Veritas Vincit. Pro Libertate”

Since: Jun 08

peoples republic of Madison

#11 Jun 25, 2011
Hugh Jass wrote:
Is the article limited to documented facts, or is there spin present?
Oh you mean like the Surgeon Generals Report, by all means spin away.

“Veritas Vincit. Pro Libertate”

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peoples republic of Madison

#12 Jun 25, 2011
Hugh Jass wrote:
How much context is given to the documented facts?
How much is presented as if documented facts without proof of that status?
Here is some documented facts.
http://www.preventcancer.com/losing/acs/wealt...

And then there is always this.
http://cancer-gate.blogspot.com/

“POOR BRAINWASHED ANTISMOKER”

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#13 Jun 25, 2011
Hugh Jass wrote:
Is the article limited to documented facts, or is there spin present?
well, Surgeon General Carmona was let go from his medical positions before his no safe level spin to scare the public and soon after was no longer sg. Have you seen the reports of his lies for positions and teh extra long time it took him to pass his medical exams?

What was that about spin?

“POOR BRAINWASHED ANTISMOKER”

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#14 Jun 25, 2011
I have no reason to drink alcohol, the ACS spin makes me so dizzy I'm afraid to drive after their spin for cash

“POOR BRAINWASHED ANTISMOKER”

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#15 Jun 25, 2011
Free_America wrote:
<quoted text>Ahhh yes nothing like ad hominem, your topix handle suits you. By unbiased you wouldn't mean someone like Jonathen Samet would you?
http://veritasvincitprolibertate.wordpress.co...
this about Samet and the airplane mechanic Stanton Glantz shows their intent. Everyone should read how far scumbags will go

A self-described "lunatic" on the issue, Dr. Glantz then
excoriated the American Cancer Society for its alleged decision to terminate
an employee for intemperate behavior in connection with a local smoking
ordinance. "He [the employee] may be a little impolitic which I of course
view as a plus. But you know activists need [to be] rewarded[.]*** I had
no objection to all the people who were given awards on the first day [of the
conference], but I did notice that there was not a single lunatic among
them ***." He further confessed that "[t]he main thing the science has
done on the issue of ETS, in addition to help people like me pay mortgages,
http://www.pipes.org/Articles/Bliley.html
Hugh Jass

Nashville, TN

#16 Jun 25, 2011
Free_America wrote:
<quoted text>Ahhh yes nothing like ad hominem, your topix handle suits you. By unbiased you wouldn't mean someone like Jonathen Samet would you?
http://veritasvincitprolibertate.wordpress.co...
Part of critical thinking is to examine the source of information and evaluate it for indications of just how much weight to put behind it.
For instance, when you find a source is nothing but the blog output of the person presenting that source as if it were conclusive evidence, you can feel pretty confident in dismissing both.
And when someone declares their appreciation for ad hominem arguments and the proves it with the next sentence, then I guess we should take them at their word and dismiss that content as well.

“POOR BRAINWASHED ANTISMOKER”

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#17 Jun 25, 2011
Don't forget old James Repace and his part in the anti smoking deceits
Hugh Jass

Nashville, TN

#20 Jun 26, 2011
Free_America wrote:
<quoted text>I guess you flunked critical thinking as well as science. Show where I committed an ad hominem attack.
Okay.
Free_America wrote:
your topix handle suits you.
Explain for our studio audience just how that was anything BUT ad hominem.

The fact that you have so bad a grasp of English that you separate sentences with a comma rather than with the required period may have confused things.

Or, perhaps you are just looking to create another opening to shove your website in our faces as if providing substantiation for your blather.

“Veritas Vincit. Pro Libertate”

Since: Jun 08

peoples republic of Madison

#21 Jun 26, 2011
Hugh Jass wrote:
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Okay.
<quoted text>
Explain for our studio audience just how that was anything BUT ad hominem.
The fact that you have so bad a grasp of English that you separate sentences with a comma rather than with the required period may have confused things.
Or, perhaps you are just looking to create another opening to shove your website in our faces as if providing substantiation for your blather.
It was a compliment, you picked an appropriate name.
Hugh Jass

Nashville, TN

#22 Jun 26, 2011
Free_America wrote:
<quoted text>It was a compliment, you picked an appropriate name.
Bushlit. However, thank you for sparing us the link this time.

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