Voter ID Bills Out of Committee, Head...

Voter ID Bills Out of Committee, Headed to House and Senate

There are 98 comments on the NBC29 Charlottesville story from Jan 28, 2013, titled Voter ID Bills Out of Committee, Headed to House and Senate. In it, NBC29 Charlottesville reports that:

For the second General Assembly session in a row, the fight over voter identification is creating tension in Richmond.

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DUDE

Purcellville, VA

#42 Feb 9, 2013
huck wrote:
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So why suppress potentially millions of otherwise legal votes cast in order to 'validate' the potentially few fraudulent votes that would not likely sway an election anyway?
Watch this YouTube video of a democrat election official who admits to voting twice and sending in absentee votes for others

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Realist

United States

#43 Feb 9, 2013
DUDE wrote:
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Watch this YouTube video of a democrat election official who admits to voting twice and sending in absentee votes for others
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v =EyNkIMGVw58XX&feature=you tube_gdata_player
Im Ya Huckleberry wrote:

I'm so glad that almost nobody is commiting voter fraud. LOL
http://www.nationalreview.com/corner/340174/v ...
only idiots think that editorials are facts... Guess what?

Same story Huckleberry posted earlier. Who's the idiot now?
huck

Charlottesville, VA

#44 Feb 9, 2013
DUDE wrote:
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Watch this YouTube video of a democrat election official who admits to voting twice and sending in absentee votes for others
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v =EyNkIMGVw58XX&feature=you tube_gdata_player
gimme a break,this was a registrar worker (who should have known better), but I seriously doubt she thinks an extra vote or two would influence the outcome. She sent in an absentee ballot and then voted in person, thinking the absentee wouldn't arrive in time.
Whether she was out of her mind, or really had some crazee reason to believe 2 votes could make a difference, this is NOT voter ID fraud, and there's something wrong with our system if a received absentee ballot isn't reflected as a vote already cast come election day at the voter registration polling station.
Boodreau

Saraland, AL

#45 Feb 9, 2013
I'm not claiming election fraud, i'm just saying every other action or transaction requires id. Why not prove who you are in order to vote
Dude

Culpeper, VA

#46 Feb 9, 2013
Realist wrote:
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Im Ya Huckleberry wrote:
I'm so glad that almost nobody is commiting voter fraud. LOL
http://www.nationalreview.com/corner/340174/v ...
only idiots think that editorials are facts... Guess what?
Same story Huckleberry posted earlier. Who's the idiot now?
it's a broken link
Dude

Culpeper, VA

#47 Feb 9, 2013
huck wrote:
<quoted text>
gimme a break,this was a registrar worker (who should have known better), but I seriously doubt she thinks an extra vote or two would influence the outcome. She sent in an absentee ballot and then voted in person, thinking the absentee wouldn't arrive in time.
Whether she was out of her mind, or really had some crazee reason to believe 2 votes could make a difference, this is NOT voter ID fraud, and there's something wrong with our system if a received absentee ballot isn't reflected as a vote already cast come election day at the voter registration polling station.
no different than this republican

http://www.reuters.com/article/2012/02/04/us-...
Dude

Culpeper, VA

#48 Feb 9, 2013
Boodreau wrote:
I'm not claiming election fraud, i'm just saying every other action or transaction requires id. Why not prove who you are in order to vote
nobody is saying that there isn't fraud, either. What we've been saying is there is effectually none that voter ID laws would resolve. However, there is a reason there is a push for these laws, and one party is admitting why they're doing it.

http://thinkprogress.org/justice/2012/11/26/1...
http://www.salon.com/2012/07/27/fla_republica...
http://www.allvoices.com/contributed-news/128...
http://www.dailykos.com/story/2012/06/25/1103...

Disenfranchising voters is equally abhorrent.

http://www.nbcnews.com/id/24490932/
DUDE

Purcellville, VA

#49 Feb 9, 2013
huck wrote:
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gimme a break,this was a registrar worker (who should have known better), but I seriously doubt she thinks an extra vote or two would influence the outcome. She sent in an absentee ballot and then voted in person, thinking the absentee wouldn't arrive in time.
Whether she was out of her mind, or really had some crazee reason to believe 2 votes could make a difference, this is NOT voter ID fraud, and there's something wrong with our system if a received absentee ballot isn't reflected as a vote already cast come election day at the voter registration polling station.
So you think voter fraud is acceptable as long as the fraud is small?
Dude

Spotsylvania, VA

#50 Feb 9, 2013
DUDE wrote:
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So you think voter fraud is acceptable as long as the fraud is small?
So you think voter disenfranchisement is okay as long as it tilts the tables in your party's favor? Neither is okay, and only one is illegal. The system is working fine. There is no voter fraud that ID laws would prevent. There is fraud, but it's more in absentee ballots and registration fraud, go after that.
sez you

Charlottesville, VA

#51 Feb 9, 2013
Cry babies trying to fix the system in their favor. They better start getting real cause their agendas are not holding water anymore. With the demographic changing as rapidly as it is they better wise up, quick.

“Equal Opportunity Not Results!”

Since: Nov 08

Charlottesville

#52 Feb 10, 2013
Dude wrote:
<quoted text>So you think voter disenfranchisement is okay as long as it tilts the tables in your party's favor? Neither is okay, and only one is illegal. The system is working fine. There is no voter fraud that ID laws would prevent. There is fraud, but it's more in absentee ballots and registration fraud, go after that.
Tell me who is not able to get a photo ID.
Dude

Culpeper, VA

#53 Feb 10, 2013
C-Ville Patriot wrote:
<quoted text>Tell me who is not able to get a photo ID.
Anyone who can't afford to or get to a DMV. Most likely the poor or elderly. Does it matter though? It's an imaginary problem. I've provided ample links to prove the real agenda behind the movement. As a patriot, you should be more disgusted by disenfranchisement.
Fact Fact Fact

Charlottesville, VA

#54 Feb 10, 2013
Chuck wrote:
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November 2008 Elections. Woman drives up to C-ville poll location. Walks in and while holding her over-accessorized keychain declares that she forgot her ID. She is made to fill out paperwork and is allowed to vote. She walks out, gets in hr car, and drives off.
This is a factual account. How may times do you think this happened that day as well as last November's election. This is easy to do because not everyone who is listed on those polling lists actually show up to vote.
Those of us who already voluntarily provide proof of identification when we vote do not care if this law is passed. Ever notice that the ones who are totally against this law are the ones who are of the opinion that minorities and the elderly are too stupid to be able to obtain their own IDs.
This is also a factual account!

A man goes up to the polls and sheepishly tells the poll worker that he left his driver's license at home. Despite the fact that the man was well known to the poll worker, he was still made to sign an affidavit of identity and was only allowed to cast a provisional ballot. Had he been turned away, there would have been no time to return home and back to the polls, and one less vote for Virgil Goode who narrowly lost to Tom Perriello.

If you ask poll workers, they will tell you there are far more cases of forgetful people than of voter fraud. These types of bills are clearly designed to keep people from voting more than voter fraud. Under this logic, we would remove many constitutional provisions that help protect innocent people from being convicted just to catch a couple more criminals.

Needless to say, the forgetful voter was me, but the poll worker was my wife. In the last election, her polling place recorded over 80 provisional ballots due to forgotten ID. Between the poll workers, there was only one person among them that was not personally known to any of them. Think of it. These bills would keep 80 people from voting to maybe catch one potential case of fraud.

These bills are nothing but voter supression disguised as using a meat cleaver to fix the tiniest of paper cuts.

By the way, I am not of the opinion that the elderly or minorities are too stupid to get ID. I am of the opinion that we can all be stupidly forgetful, but I am also of the opinion that the more difficult and intimidating we make voting, that fewer people will.
Fact Fact Fact

Charlottesville, VA

#55 Feb 10, 2013
C-Ville Patriot wrote:
<quoted text>Tell me who is not able to get a photo ID.
Almost anyone can, but there is a cost, both in money and inconvenience. If you do not drive, you have the cost of transportation. You have a delightful wait at the DMV. Finally you have a fee.

You might recall, we have a constitutional amendment outlawing poll taxes, and this smacks of an indirect poll tax to me.

“Equal Opportunity Not Results!”

Since: Nov 08

Charlottesville

#56 Feb 10, 2013
Dude wrote:
<quoted text>Anyone who can't afford to or get to a DMV. Most likely the poor or elderly. Does it matter though? It's an imaginary problem. I've provided ample links to prove the real agenda behind the movement. As a patriot, you should be more disgusted by disenfranchisement.
So you're telling me that someone who is getting rent assistance, food stamps and a free cell phone can't afford 10 bucks for an ID? You are so misinformed it's scary.

“Equal Opportunity Not Results!”

Since: Nov 08

Charlottesville

#57 Feb 10, 2013
Fact Fact Fact wrote:
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Almost anyone can, but there is a cost, both in money and inconvenience. If you do not drive, you have the cost of transportation. You have a delightful wait at the DMV. Finally you have a fee.
You might recall, we have a constitutional amendment outlawing poll taxes, and this smacks of an indirect poll tax to me.
You are grasping at straws.
sez you

Charlottesville, VA

#58 Feb 10, 2013
C-Ville Patriot wrote:
<quoted text>You are grasping at straws.
Exactly what the right wing is doing, or more likely gasping. Can't wait for the mid terms.
Fact Fact Fact

Charlottesville, VA

#59 Feb 10, 2013
C-Ville Patriot wrote:
<quoted text>You are grasping at straws.
....and disenfrancising 80+ voters to catch 1 possible fraudulent vote is not grasping at straws?
Dude

Spotsylvania, VA

#60 Feb 10, 2013
C-Ville Patriot wrote:
<quoted text>So you're telling me that someone who is getting rent assistance, food stamps and a free cell phone can't afford 10 bucks for an ID? You are so misinformed it's scary.
For one, that's a voter tax and unconstitutional, and two, that's what I'm telling you. Secondly, not everyone that is elderly or impoverished is getting rent assistance, on food stamps or free cell phones. It appears that you are misinformed, and equally dismissible. You are quite the conundrum; you espouse small government when it suits your purpose, and espouse big intrusive government when it suits your purpose. You're not only misinformed, you're a hypocrite.
Dude

Spotsylvania, VA

#61 Feb 10, 2013
C-Ville Patriot wrote:
<quoted text>You are grasping at straws.
Look, the theocratic party has admitted to what they're doing. If you hate the democratic process so much, just admit it. Own what you are.

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