Steady jobs drop in Birmingham

Steady jobs drop in Birmingham

There are 17 comments on the Examiner.com story from Dec 11, 2011, titled Steady jobs drop in Birmingham. In it, Examiner.com reports that:

For the first two weeks of December Birmingham Alabama has seen a steady drop in the number of jobs available.

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Really

Omaha, NE

#1 Dec 11, 2011
That means citizens are finding jobs!
Different name

Brooklyn, NY

#2 Dec 11, 2011
Really wrote:
That means citizens are finding jobs!
One shouldn't blame state Rep. Micky Hammon, R-Decatur, for wishing the state's mean-spirited immigration law is responsible for Alabama's sharp decline in unemployment for October.

The rate fell from 9.8 percent in September to 9.3 percent in October, and Hammon, the House majority leader and primary co-sponsor of HB56, latched onto the immigration law as the reason for the steep drop.

With all the national and international criticism Alabama is getting for passing such a severe immigration law, Hammon no doubt is grasping for something positive about the law to tout.

"More Alabamians are working today," Hammon said, "thanks in part to our decision to crack down on illegal immigration."

Well, not so fast.

Alabama and two other states, Michigan and Minnesota, each saw a half-percent drop in their unemployment rates in October, the largest in the nation. Neither Michigan nor Minnesota have draconian immigration laws in place.

State Sen. Bryan Taylor, R-Prattville, said three of the five states with the steepest unemployment rate drops in October have passed tough immigration laws. "It's hard to draw a causal relationship conclusively, but it's certainly plausible," he said.

It is true that South Carolina and Utah, which did pass overreaching immigration laws, also had significant drops in unemployment, but their laws aren't nearly as tough as Alabama's.

But wait. Georgia and Arizona didn't make the top 12 states with significant drops in unemployment rates, and they have laws like South Carolina and Utah. Vermont did make the top 12. So did Pennsylvania. And Idaho. And Maryland. And none of those has Alabama-style immigration laws.

Something else must be going on, and the analysts say, yes, indeed, there is:

People are dropping off unemployment rolls because they've become discouraged by not being able to find a job and have stopped looking, according to an analysis by Arise Citizens' Policy Project. Alabama's labor force shrank by more than 6,000 workers in October, and the labor force has been shrinking since June. Economists say a shrinking labor force makes it easier for a state to post an unemployment rate decline, even if job growth is small.

While Alabama created fewer than 10,000 jobs in October, many of those were seasonal jobs and about half were state and local government jobs. Government jobs can't be held by undocumented workers, so those were not jobs being filled by Alabamians because undocumented workers were leaving the state.

The job sectors that do use immigrant workers -- restaurants, hotels, construction and manufacturing -- lost jobs in October. If undocumented workers are vacating those jobs, Alabama workers aren't rushing to fill them. Indeed, this week, the Associated General Contractors, based in Arlington, Va., said Alabama having the second-highest number of construction jobs lost from September to October -- 3.2 percent or 2,700 jobs -- is related to construction crews leaving the state in the wake of the immigration law.
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Really

Omaha, NE

#3 Dec 11, 2011
I wondered what stopped this thread and now I know. The paid spammer!
Juan

Pearland, TX

#4 Dec 11, 2011
Alabama is taking a second look at the recent changes in the immigration laws. Many companies are not willing to come to Alabama and many are moving out to other liberal states.

“Nothing Is Free In This World”

Since: Sep 10

Location hidden

#5 Dec 11, 2011
Juan wrote:
Alabama is taking a second look at the recent changes in the immigration laws. Many companies are not willing to come to Alabama and many are moving out to other liberal states.
I don't know that immigration has anything to do with with the escalating mess in Birmingham. Employers are moving out due to a 3.5 billion dollar debt, caused by politicians.

I work in construction and haven't seen much of a decline in the hispanic workforce. Some have left, but; not many.
Different name

Brooklyn, NY

#6 Dec 11, 2011
ConfusedByRhetoric wrote:
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I don't know that immigration has anything to do with with the escalating mess in Birmingham. Employers are moving out due to a 3.5 billion dollar debt, caused by politicians.
I work in construction and haven't seen much of a decline in the hispanic workforce. Some have left, but; not many.
I don't remember which Alabama county has the biggest ever in the USA history county bankruptcy filling ! And that bankruptcy from the one of the smallest population state, what's this telling you about Alabama's politicians
Juan

Pearland, TX

#7 Dec 11, 2011
ConfusedByRhetoric wrote:
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I don't know that immigration has anything to do with with the escalating mess in Birmingham. Employers are moving out due to a 3.5 billion dollar debt, caused by politicians.
I work in construction and haven't seen much of a decline in the hispanic workforce. Some have left, but; not many.
I am also in the construction business, I'm an electrician. I have never had a problem finding work. You just have to know what your doing.
Different name

Brooklyn, NY

#8 Dec 11, 2011
Really wrote:
That means citizens are finding jobs!
The lead story on the front page of Tuesday’s Press had this headline:“New Law Blamed for Less Workers.”
Cleaning agencies, agricultural enterprises and other manual labor businesses are complaining that Alabama’s new anti-illegal-immigrant law has caused their workers to quit and leave the state, and they cannot find anyone to replace them.
But get this: According to figures published by the state, there are approximately 215,000 certified legal Alabama citizens who are officially unemployed. In Mobile, the unemployment rate is around 11 percent, resulting in approximately 20,000 people without work.
According to the newspaper story, state Rep. Steve McMillan, R-Gulf Shores, estimates the agricultural worker shortfall in lower Alabama next spring will be approximately 1,100 jobs.
It certainly should raise this question: How on earth could there be a shortfall of 1,100 jobs, when there are 20,000 citizens who remain unemployed, doing nothing?
Numerous previous news stories have quoted official or business sources as saying that Americans do not want to do the kind of work that the illegal immigrants do. It makes you wonder who was doing this work before the illegal immigrants got here.
These are not minimum-wage jobs, by the way. Most, according to news reports, are paying $12 to $14 per hour — about $100 a day. And still these 20,000 unemployed in Mobile — many of them without jobs for more than a year — will not condescend to accept such work?
What are they living on? Is it the government dole? How do they eat, pay their rent and bills, and buy gas? Are the taxpayers of this city, state and nation obligated to support them forever until they find the sort of job that they feel suited to?
Am I being cruel? Insensitive? Uncaring? I don’t think so.
I was unemployed myself, in 1967, having been recently discharged from the U.S. Army, as an officer, after serving a year in Vietnam. I had a bachelor’s degree in English and a minor in philosophy, and I wanted to work with something in words, in ideas.
After a number of months, I had gone through all of the money I had saved up from being in Vietnam. I also realized that I could not sponge off my parents, and so when the opportunity arose for a job that paid minimum wage for unskilled work, I took it.
I was grateful for the job, though I didn’t plan on doing it forever (but might have, if something better hadn’t come along).
Was it demeaning? Yeah, a little. That was the year that I was in the Mardi Gras court, and was going to debutante parties and other such society functions, while most of my friends were starting out in their careers in banking, the law, medicine or business.
This isn’t some kind of Horatio Alger story. It’s just simple math. I needed that buck an hour and wasn’t too proud to work for it.
What is wrong with these “unemployed” people that that they refuse to take jobs that are “beneath” them, or that require physical labor?
Obviously someone 50 years old or older, or out of shape, or with health problems could be excused from such work. But what about the healthy 18 to 49-year-olds? How have we become the kind of nation in which they sit on their duffs waiting for the dream job, while the rest of us schmucks pay our taxes to support them?
It’s not just in Alabama, either. This situation goes across the nation
Juan

Pearland, TX

#9 Dec 11, 2011
The majority of americans will not work for $12 - $14 an hour...........they would much rather stay at home and draw unemployment. Unlike the undocumented worker who will be happy to work for that.

Since: Apr 10

Houston, TX

#10 Dec 11, 2011
Juan wrote:
Alabama is taking a second look at the recent changes in the immigration laws. Many companies are not willing to come to Alabama and many are moving out to other liberal states.
In a few years this law will be everywhere, besides when Obama leaves office immigration laws will be enforced nationwide.

"moving out to other liberal states" move to California and see how long your business lasts. All other states are E Verifying employees.

Plus a national EV will require all employees to be no matter how long you have been working.

Since: Apr 10

Houston, TX

#11 Dec 11, 2011
Juan wrote:
The majority of americans will not work for $12 -$14 an hour..........they would much rather stay at home and draw unemployment. Unlike the undocumented worker who will be happy to work for that.
Illegal aliens are happy to be pulled out of their cars or cuffed in front of their children on their way to deportation too. The gravy train is coming to it's last stop.

With Obama in office the economy is not going to get better, no matter what they say or numbers they give us. How can it? They exported our manufacturing base.

I don't pretty much don't care, i have my military retirement and SS in a few years than i'am off to Thailand to live on the beach with golden sunsets.
Sheriff Joe

Omaha, NE

#12 Dec 11, 2011
On the Illegal Immigration threads, there's a new article as to Maricopa County Sheriff's Dept arresting 5 more for ID theft! lol lol lol

“Nothing Is Free In This World”

Since: Sep 10

Location hidden

#13 Dec 11, 2011
Juan wrote:
The majority of americans will not work for $12 -$14 an hour..........they would much rather stay at home and draw unemployment. Unlike the undocumented worker who will be happy to work for that.
So, does that make breaking laws right? Does that somehow justify or make law breaking prudent?

There is no difference between illegal aliens breaking immigration laws and me building and operating a meth lab.

Anyone that thinks different is entirely too stupid, to be; engaged in such a debate.
Different name

Fort Lauderdale, FL

#14 Dec 11, 2011
Juan wrote:
The majority of americans will not work for $12 -$14 an hour..........they would much rather stay at home and draw unemployment. Unlike the undocumented worker who will be happy to work for that.
WTF are you talking about, the current living wage is at least $50/hr, nobody's working under that ! Only illegals

“ Divided We Fall ”

Since: Dec 08

Location hidden

#15 Dec 11, 2011
Different name wrote:
<quoted text> WTF are you talking about, the current living wage is at least $50/hr, nobody's working under that ! Only illegals
You couldnt tell the truth if your life depended on it.
Texan

Lewisville, TX

#16 Dec 12, 2011
Obamas HOPE and CHANGE - Well i HOPE the idiots that voted for him the first time, WILL CHANGE and not vote for him next election, he is a complete failure, this country has never been this bad off and he did it in only 3 years people. Make sure you dont vote him in again, just think what it would be like in 5 more years if he is re-elected.
Juan

Pearland, TX

#17 Dec 12, 2011
Different name wrote:
<quoted text> WTF are you talking about, the current living wage is at least $50/hr, nobody's working under that ! Only illegals
My boss would never pay that, I wish.

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