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AEP lays out power-plant closings to meet proposed EPA rules | The Columbus Dispatch

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Since: Jun 09

Hilliard, OH

#330 Jun 11, 2011
This should be fun to watch, President Obama dream of hope and change, meets reality. If the AEP plants do close, then the working poor and non-working poor will be hit the hardest. The poor will have have numerous options. Here are some: choosing between higher electrical cost, choosing between higher food cost, sitting in the dark during rolling brown-outs, or going outside and breathing-in minutely improved air quality.

Then there are all those coal miners who voted for hope and change. They will now be save from their dangerous jobs when the EPA rules shut down their mines because of the closed AEP plants. The coal miners can then sit safely on their couches, drink beer and collect their monthly stipend from the government while they breathe-in minutely cleaner air.

Yes, the hope and change train is chugging through American leaving a path of destruction in its path.
Mercury Facts

Grove City, OH

#331 Jun 11, 2011
http://www.nrdc.org/health/effects/mercury/so...

Coal-fired boilers account for 40% of airborne mercury, but not all such boilers are used for public power consumption - many are used for on-site power at industrial plants, and are the worst offenders.

You get more mercury by eating tuna fish than what you're getting from a power plant.

Not enough time was provided for power companies to make a change. They've had cap-and-trade carbon dioxide hanging over their heads, amongst other issues. There have been rumors for the past few years for what Washington would mandate, but you can't run a public utility on rumors. Now when they finally make up their minds they give utilities practically no time to act. It's another sign of the lack of leadership we're getting from Washington.

Washington has not provided an energy policy. Washington has not provided an environmental policy. Heck, Washington hasn't even passed a budget since Obama took office (true fact - check it out).
reader

Columbus, OH

#332 Jun 11, 2011
Mercury Facts wrote:
http://www.nrdc.org/health/eff ects/mercury/sources.asp
Coal-fired boilers account for 40% of airborne mercury, but not all such boilers are used for public power consumption - many are used for on-site power at industrial plants, and are the worst offenders.
You get more mercury by eating tuna fish than what you're getting from a power plant.
Not enough time was provided for power companies to make a change. They've had cap-and-trade carbon dioxide hanging over their heads, amongst other issues. There have been rumors for the past few years for what Washington would mandate, but you can't run a public utility on rumors. Now when they finally make up their minds they give utilities practically no time to act. It's another sign of the lack of leadership we're getting from Washington.
Washington has not provided an energy policy. Washington has not provided an environmental policy. Heck, Washington hasn't even passed a budget since Obama took office (true fact - check it out).
Spoken like a good industry hack.
reader

Columbus, OH

#333 Jun 11, 2011
Your criticism of Dems for failing to pass a budget last year is fair. Believe me, they wish they had passed one last year.

As for DC failing to provide an energy or environmental policy, we've gotten a helluva lot more responsible action from Obama appointees like Lisa Jackson than we did in the days when Cheney invited Enron and industry lobbyists to secret lunches to write our laws. That's a GOP idea of "policy" -- industry lobbyists ripping off the public.
Mercury Facts

Grove City, OH

#335 Jun 11, 2011
reader wrote:
Your criticism of Dems for failing to pass a budget last year is fair. Believe me, they wish they had passed one last year.
As for DC failing to provide an energy or environmental policy, we've gotten a helluva lot more responsible action from Obama appointees like Lisa Jackson than we did in the days when Cheney invited Enron and industry lobbyists to secret lunches to write our laws. That's a GOP idea of "policy" -- industry lobbyists ripping off the public.
So you propose we should have people who know nothing about the business regulate the business? Really? People who know nothing about finances and economics should regulate our financial system? People who know nothing about health care should regulate our health care system?

In regards to your snarky Dick Cheney comment, just remember it was Hilary Clinton who held closed-door (read: secret) meetings to develop a new health care system back when her husband was president. And it was Pelosi who admonished Congress they needed to pass Obamacare so they could see what's in it. Sad but true.

These are simple facts. This is the idiocy passing for leadership in Washington these days.

But that's OK. American utilities will be able to comply within the allotted time. They're closing plants. AEP isn't the only one.

Why don't they spend the money to retrofit are generate new, clean energy sources and create jobs? Simple - they don't have the money. They're regulated utilities. Public Utility Commissions determine how much cost they can recover, and utility users don't like their bills increasing. Utility users want something for nothing.

Add to that that several of these utilities are already overextended due to the implementation of other pollution controls measures, and they don't have the credit left for new construction. Billions of dollars have already been spent, and billions of dollars more are needed. And the utilities have maxed out their credit.

Oh wait, there I go again! I'm talking about facts of the situation. Utility companies aren't the Daddy Warbucks they're portrayed to be. Go ahead and crow about the overpayed C-level execs - it's a pittance compared to the money needed to comply with these new regulations.

And what does that mean? Jobs will be lost. Lost. Repeat that a few hundred more times. Let me be more emphatic: NOT ONE NEW "CLEAN ENERGY" JOB WILL BE CREATED AS A RESULT OF THIS POLICY.

It's a simple fact that apparently even our president can't fathom.

DrC Ohio

Columbus, OH

#336 Jun 11, 2011
powell sinclair wrote:
This should be fun to watch, President Obama dream of hope and change, meets reality. If the AEP plants do close, then the working poor and non-working poor will be hit the hardest. The poor will have have numerous options. Here are some: choosing between higher electrical cost, choosing between higher food cost, sitting in the dark during rolling brown-outs, or going outside and breathing-in minutely improved air quality.
Then there are all those coal miners who voted for hope and change. They will now be save from their dangerous jobs when the EPA rules shut down their mines because of the closed AEP plants. The coal miners can then sit safely on their couches, drink beer and collect their monthly stipend from the government while they breathe-in minutely cleaner air.
Yes, the hope and change train is chugging through American leaving a path of destruction in its path.
So, we shouldn't regulate for pollution. That is a stand up position you got their buddy. By your logic, you are probably against seat belts and catalytic converters since that costs money (and probably created jobs). Since you are so dismissive of health regulations, how about I come over and sh (i) t on your cereal. You are an AEP apologist. They knew these rules were coming and chose not to prepare for them.
DrC Ohio

Columbus, OH

#337 Jun 11, 2011
As another poster pointed out, if you don't think AEP was going to close down their 50+ year old plant you're crazy.
reader

Columbus, OH

#338 Jun 11, 2011
Mercury Facts wrote:
<quoted text>
So you propose we should have people who know nothing about the business regulate the business? Really? People who know nothing about finances and economics should regulate our financial system? People who know nothing about health care should regulate our health care system?
In regards to your snarky Dick Cheney comment, just remember it was Hilary Clinton who held closed-door (read: secret) meetings to develop a new health care system back when her husband was president. And it was Pelosi who admonished Congress they needed to pass Obamacare so they could see what's in it. Sad but true.
These are simple facts. This is the idiocy passing for leadership in Washington these days.
But that's OK. American utilities will be able to comply within the allotted time. They're closing plants. AEP isn't the only one.
Why don't they spend the money to retrofit are generate new, clean energy sources and create jobs? Simple - they don't have the money. They're regulated utilities. Public Utility Commissions determine how much cost they can recover, and utility users don't like their bills increasing. Utility users want something for nothing.
Add to that that several of these utilities are already overextended due to the implementation of other pollution controls measures, and they don't have the credit left for new construction. Billions of dollars have already been spent, and billions of dollars more are needed. And the utilities have maxed out their credit.
Oh wait, there I go again! I'm talking about facts of the situation. Utility companies aren't the Daddy Warbucks they're portrayed to be. Go ahead and crow about the overpayed C-level execs - it's a pittance compared to the money needed to comply with these new regulations.
And what does that mean? Jobs will be lost. Lost. Repeat that a few hundred more times. Let me be more emphatic: NOT ONE NEW "CLEAN ENERGY" JOB WILL BE CREATED AS A RESULT OF THIS POLICY.
It's a simple fact that apparently even our president can't fathom.
If the "business" includes emissions that medical experts will tell you are proven to cause brain damage in kids, no, my friend, I am not inclined to leave it to industry to decide if it should be allowed to keep doing that.

American Electric Power and the coal lobby are quite capable of influencing governmental decisions for the sake of their executives and shareholders, thank you. They can even buy the assistance of a local congressman or two.

And if you see efforts to deal with the crisis of 40 million plus citizens lacking health insurance as the equivalent of the energy lobby trying to continue its tax subsidies and loopholes in environmental laws, that speaks volumes about you, sir. All of it bad.
CSD

Columbus, OH

#339 Jun 11, 2011
You can send your next electric bill to little Barry and see if he pays it.
Mark

Lima, OH

#340 Jun 11, 2011
Tenth Amendment: The powers not delegated to the United States by the Constitution, nor prohibited by it to the States, are reserved to the States respectively, or to the people.

The federal government (EPA) has no legitimate authority to control AEP.
Mercury Facts

Grove City, OH

#342 Jun 11, 2011
reader wrote:
<quoted text>
If the "business" includes emissions that medical experts will tell you are proven to cause brain damage in kids, no, my friend, I am not inclined to leave it to industry to decide if it should be allowed to keep doing that.
American Electric Power and the coal lobby are quite capable of influencing governmental decisions for the sake of their executives and shareholders, thank you. They can even buy the assistance of a local congressman or two.
And if you see efforts to deal with the crisis of 40 million plus citizens lacking health insurance as the equivalent of the energy lobby trying to continue its tax subsidies and loopholes in environmental laws, that speaks volumes about you, sir. All of it bad.
What you're saying is our government is corrupt - for they can be bought. That's the government's fault, not the lobbyist's. So, we have found common ground in regards to our government.

And, yes, we also agree that Mercury needs to be removed from the environment, just like lead. Look back when we transitioned to unleaded gas - it took years. And there was far more direct impact to health than we currently have with coal-fired power plants.

I'd like to see an overarching energy policy developed - all-inclusive. We need to consider our dependence on foreign oil. We need to consider the hazards of the drilling and transport of oil. We need to consider the hazards of electric power production. And then put together a comprehensive plan getting us where we need to go, and yet ensuring everyone has the energy they need at a reasonable price.
Alan Strickler

Cleveland, OH

#343 Jun 11, 2011
Ohio needs to team up with the new senator from WV for common sense solutions!
rob

Kannapolis, NC

#344 Jun 11, 2011
reader wrote:
These EPA rules will save thousands of lives per year. They are reasonable regulations to limit emissions that pose known, documented hazards to human health. Mercury causes brain damage in kids.
Shame on AEP for putting corporate profits above the health of its customers and their families.
Is there any concern for the mercury in the CFL light bulbs that are MANDATED by our glorious leaders? I am sure that those are OK. It must be some kind of safe mercury that the government makes you buy to light your child's nursery. It must be "for the children". If you can, try to think a little now and then.

Since: Jun 09

Hilliard, OH

#345 Jun 12, 2011
DrC Ohio wrote:
<quoted text>
So, we shouldn't regulate for pollution. That is a stand up position you got their buddy. By your logic, you are probably against seat belts and catalytic converters since that costs money (and probably created jobs). Since you are so dismissive of health regulations, how about I come over and sh (i) t on your cereal. You are an AEP apologist. They knew these rules were coming and chose not to prepare for them.
DrC Ohio needs some anger management. Name calling seems to be an alternative for you in the absence of coherent thought. These EPA regulations are another attempt by the Don Quixote's of the world chasing a nonexistent problem for the lofty goal floating in their head of saving the world. Then, electrical cost to the consumer double, food prices soar and these so called "do gooders" of the world will then moan about "Big Electric" is evil and is raising prices to make more money for their shareholders. Same old story.
reader

Columbus, OH

#346 Jun 13, 2011
rob wrote:
<quoted text>
Is there any concern for the mercury in the CFL light bulbs that are MANDATED by our glorious leaders? I am sure that those are OK. It must be some kind of safe mercury that the government makes you buy to light your child's nursery. It must be "for the children". If you can, try to think a little now and then.
I dont let my kids eat light bulbs. If you do, I hope someone calls Childrens Services soon.
electricguy

Lexington, KY

#347 Jun 13, 2011
reader wrote:
<quoted text>
I dont let my kids eat light bulbs. If you do, I hope someone calls Childrens Services soon.
I bet you didn't let your kids eat lead paint, either. Well, I know the argument about chipped paint, etc., but you wouldn't have chipped paint in your house, would you??
Miss logic

Columbus, OH

#348 Jun 13, 2011
Rileyblinddog wrote:
I work in the Electric industry have done studies involving the claims of the Progressive left. Their claims of impact on health has absolutely no bases in fact. I dare any left wing wacko to prove their facts. Here is the impact that AEPs reaction or compliance with new Unconstitutional drummed up EPA regulation. Brown Outs, rolling Black out during Peak load conditions in the Summer and in the Winter. Lost jobs to the mass polluter China, India and Mexico. United States becoming a 3rd world econmomic nation with out adequate electric power to supply even that economy. Oh yes wind Power is a joke. No wind mill Farm has ever recovered it's cost to build and operate anywhere in the world. In fact Wind mills consume more power then they will ever produce. The best availability is 30% and the best average out put is 30%. In other words wind mills operate only 30% of time and produce only 30% of there max. output. Compare to Coal fired generation the availability is 75% to 90% and output average 85% to 95%, and pay for themself with in 12 years of start up and last 60+ years.
At first I was interested in what you had to say, since you claim to work in the electric industry. But then you launch into a name-calling rant and make unsubstantiated claims. I can read the research about the effects of air pollution on public health. I also can see the difference in my own family. My parents had one bought of bronchitis after another living around polluting steel, coking and chemical industries, and several heart attacks too. My brother had bad asthma. They moved about 50 miles away into an area with almost no big polluting industry and they no longer have the health issues.

However, as a reasonable person, I want to hear both sides and see the data. You lost your chance to give me useful information and instead spew the company line, at least until the end when you put up some numbers that I've actually read in the literature of legitimate research and data gathering. That is useful. Unfortunately, your childish rant and poor grammar leave me thinking you probably are not what you claim to be.

I also will say that any company that is making record profits who claims they can't afford plant upgrades that will protect health, has little credibility with me. Oh, I also understand profit making. I like the utility companies making profits, somewhere between 10% and 14% of my retirement stock portfolio is in energy and utility companies, the highest percentage of any type of stock. So I want them making a profit. But I'm not so selfish that I'm going to put money before health, especially knowing that when I retire and want to use that money, I'd also like to have good health so I can enjoy the money. I don't believe that AEP (and other companies) can't spend money on upgrades and still be profitable.
DrC Ohio

Columbus, OH

#349 Jun 13, 2011
powell sinclair wrote:
<quoted text>
DrC Ohio needs some anger management. Name calling seems to be an alternative for you in the absence of coherent thought. These EPA regulations are another attempt by the Don Quixote's of the world chasing a nonexistent problem for the lofty goal floating in their head of saving the world. Then, electrical cost to the consumer double, food prices soar and these so called "do gooders" of the world will then moan about "Big Electric" is evil and is raising prices to make more money for their shareholders. Same old story.
Wow, so you don't think power plant pollution hurts people. Well, I have some fish from the Ohio River I'd like to serve you.
Hg facts

Columbus, OH

#350 Jun 13, 2011
Mercury Facts wrote:
http://www.nrdc.org/health/eff ects/mercury/sources.asp
Coal-fired boilers account for 40% of airborne mercury, but not all such boilers are used for public power consumption - many are used for on-site power at industrial plants, and are the worst offenders.
You get more mercury by eating tuna fish than what you're getting from a power plant.
Not enough time was provided for power companies to make a change. They've had cap-and-trade carbon dioxide hanging over their heads, amongst other issues. There have been rumors for the past few years for what Washington would mandate, but you can't run a public utility on rumors. Now when they finally make up their minds they give utilities practically no time to act. It's another sign of the lack of leadership we're getting from Washington.
Washington has not provided an energy policy. Washington has not provided an environmental policy. Heck, Washington hasn't even passed a budget since Obama took office (true fact - check it out).
And where does the mercury in tuna fish come from? The mercury emitted into the air which is eventually deposited back onto our land and water. Once in the water it changes chemically into methylmercury and is taken in to acquatic wildlife like fish. Methylmercury is bioaccumulative, meaning is builds up in tissue instead of being excreted. Therefore the older the fish, the higher levels of mercury it is likely to have. Bottom line, yes, that tuna sandwich you may eat contains mercury, but that mercury is still coming largely from manmade sources such as power plants and other fossil fuel burning sources.

We need more pollution controls on coal burning power plants and we also need to build less polluting or nonpolluting power sources, such as nuclear power plants. They are clean and very efficient, moreso than coal. People are a hoot when they don't mind living near a coal burning plant, but they fear nuclear power. This is a failure of science education, but that's another topic.
John Blutarsky

Columbus, OH

#351 Jun 13, 2011
Hg facts wrote:
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And where does the mercury in tuna fish come from? The mercury emitted into the air which is eventually deposited back onto our land and water. Once in the water it changes chemically into methylmercury and is taken in to acquatic wildlife like fish. Methylmercury is bioaccumulative, meaning is builds up in tissue instead of being excreted. Therefore the older the fish, the higher levels of mercury it is likely to have. Bottom line, yes, that tuna sandwich you may eat contains mercury, but that mercury is still coming largely from manmade sources such as power plants and other fossil fuel burning sources.
Wow, so what we need are a bunch of tuna farms downwind from the power plants so the tuna can absorb all of the mercury they emit since they are so good at it. As long as we don't eat the tuna we're safe.

I'll get Al Gore on the phone after I apply for my patent on tuna mercury capturing technology.

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