Companies say they need more time to clean coal

Coal will keep fueling national and world energy needs for decades to come, but that doesn't have to mean a dirty-power future, coal-industry executives told a House committee yesterday. Full Story
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Steve K

AOL

#1 Apr 15, 2010
The coal companies want to be given more time to clean up their act. But we have been mining coal in the US for more than 200 years, and with regards to worker safety and environmental protection, they still haven't "got it right". What they really want is for us to continue to believe the excuses they keep coming up with about why they shouldn't have to comply with existing laws and regulations. Their hope is that the "clean coal" deception will give them a few more decades to rip apart landscapes and pollute the air, water, and land before everyone realizes the insanity of allowing King Coal to reign over the power grid without any clothes.
reader

Columbus, OH

#2 Apr 15, 2010
From the quote in this story, Frank ODonnell could be a spokesman for the coal lobby. I realize that he isn't but the quote sure doesnt end up sounding like it came from an environmental group.

For a less industry-friendly take on the hearings than this Dispatch article, see http://www.grist.org/article/coal-execs-taken...
louise

Columbus, OH

#3 Apr 15, 2010
it is time for the coal people stop making excuses as to why they cannot do something to help clean up coal. they have known for many years there is a problem but continue to make excuses and try to stall the clean up. they always threaten the loss of jobs and the expense to reduce carbon.
if they had spent as much money on safety and finding clean coal technolody as they have spent on avoiding both issues the problem could be partially solved.
stop making excuses and the congress shoud stop accepting the excuses and require action.
GEEWIZ

Ashland, KY

#4 Apr 15, 2010
COAL is getting cleaner on emissions every year COAL is jobs+taxes and cheap electric.electric bills are going thur the roof because of GREEN ENERGY JOKE.ODUMBA is doing everything he can do to put miners out of work yea listen to the greenies air will B NO better but your electric will be2-3x higher
LessHypeMoreFact

Etobicoke, Canada

#5 Apr 18, 2010
Coal could get cleaner and there iwll undoubtably be more and more 'demonstrations' of clean coal but the fact is that coal is cheap only when it is dirty and the companies will maintain this by avoiding new clean technologies the same as they avoided stack scrubbers under the 'new source review' by maintaining old inefficient coal power plants ( only new or rebuilt plants had requirements for stack scrubbers).
GEEWIZ

Flatwoods, KY

#6 Apr 18, 2010
LessHypeMoreFact wrote:
Coal could get cleaner and there iwll undoubtably be more and more 'demonstrations' of clean coal but the fact is that coal is cheap only when it is dirty and the companies will maintain this by avoiding new clean technologies the same as they avoided stack scrubbers under the 'new source review' by maintaining old inefficient coal power plants ( only new or rebuilt plants had requirements for stack scrubbers).
They can add most anything to a old COAL-FIRE plant up dating it to make it=new without shutting exiting plants down.coal is going to get cleaner but 2 make electric 2-3 times higher because of a few emission=POORHOUSE

“EnvironMENTAList ”

Since: Feb 07

Near Detroit

#7 Apr 18, 2010
LessHypeMoreFact wrote:
Coal could get cleaner and there iwll undoubtably be more and more 'demonstrations' of clean coal but the fact is that coal is cheap only when it is dirty and the companies will maintain this by avoiding new clean technologies the same as they avoided stack scrubbers under the 'new source review' by maintaining old inefficient coal power plants ( only new or rebuilt plants had requirements for stack scrubbers).
It is a moot point anyways considering how Volcanoes show clearly that human's effect on this poor little five billion year old planet is like f a r t i n g in tornado. We are mortal monkeys and not immortal Gods dictating temperatures of planets.So the planet is NOT dieing and voter support is gone and coal is good.
ohio lawyer

Columbus, OH

#8 Apr 18, 2010
GEEWIZ wrote:
COAL is getting cleaner on emissions every year COAL is jobs+taxes and cheap electric.electric bills are going thur the roof because of GREEN ENERGY JOKE.ODUMBA is doing everything he can do to put miners out of work yea listen to the greenies air will B NO better but your electric will be2-3x higher
The coal industry just testified at this very hearing that it would take 20 years to begin to sequester carbon pollution. We don't have 20 years to wait, and there is no reason to believe that sequestering carbon will be cost competitive with energy efficiency and production measures that reduce or avoid the pollution to begin with.
ohio lawyer

Columbus, OH

#9 Apr 18, 2010
mememine69 wrote:
<quoted text>It is a moot point anyways considering how Volcanoes show clearly that human's effect on this poor little five billion year old planet is like f a r t i n g in tornado. We are mortal **** and not immortal Gods dictating temperatures of planets.So the planet is NOT dieing and voter support is gone and coal is good.
Atmospheric carbon dioxide levels have leaped from 270 ppm in 1800 to 390 ppm now -- an enormous change in a short time. No remotely credible person disputes that, nor does any credible climate scientist dispute that CO2 is a greenhouse gas. It was not volcanoes that changed the carbon composition of an eggshell-thin atmosphere. It was us.

“EnvironMENTAList ”

Since: Feb 07

Near Detroit

#10 Apr 18, 2010
ohio lawyer wrote:
<quoted text>
Atmospheric carbon dioxide levels have leaped from 270 ppm in 1800 to 390 ppm now -- an enormous change in a short time. No remotely credible person disputes that, nor does any credible climate scientist dispute that CO2 is a greenhouse gas. It was not volcanoes that changed the carbon composition of an eggshell-thin atmosphere. It was us.
Yes yes yes! Amazing isn't it how so much of Nature's CO2 can be in Nature's air and STILL not cause a climate crisis. Thanks for the proof that the CO2 theory was a mistake. Back to your cave fear monger.
GEEWIZ

Flatwoods, KY

#11 Apr 18, 2010
ohio lawyer wrote:
<quoted text>
The coal industry just testified at this very hearing that it would take 20 years to begin to sequester carbon pollution. We don't have 20 years to wait, and there is no reason to believe that sequestering carbon will be cost competitive with energy efficiency and production measures that reduce or avoid the pollution to begin with.
NOTHING is WRONG with EMISSIONS right now.the economy is a wreak so lets put millions out of WORK SO we can have a few less emissions that hurt nothing BUT HELP MANY
LessHypeMoreFact

Etobicoke, Canada

#12 Apr 18, 2010
GEEWIZ wrote:
<quoted text>NOTHING is WRONG with EMISSIONS right now.
Unsupported and contrary to every relevant science field.
GEEWIZ wrote:
<quoted text>
the economy is a wreak so lets put millions out of WORK SO we can have a few less emissions that hurt nothing BUT HELP MANY
Again, a non-sequitur on two levels. One is 'putting millions out of work'. Factually, non coal energy is likely to MAKE jobs since labor and investment is usually higher in green energy than in coal extraction.

Secondly, the level of emissions is in no way a requirement of economic prosperity. Actually the reverse since the health impacts from smog tend to reduce productivity.
GEEWIZ

Flatwoods, KY

#13 Apr 18, 2010
less-hypeU need to research that more. COAL employs nearly 100 thousand miners in the US not counting truckers +rail+river barges.buying billions $ of equitment from caterpillar and others. paying real TAX$ GIVING PPL. CHEAP ELECTRIC. ONLY REASON THEY GET SUBS is because of EPA CLEAN air rules which are fine but do not need to get stricker,GREEN=2-3x higher electric thats really going to help INDUSTRY PRODUCE more=less jobs there+most if not all green will be made overseas+COAL STATES will be in a deep depression doing all this for what little emissions coal emits is SILLY+AIRs not going to be any better unless u are a greenie and make yourself believe it which in the mind of a greenie anything is possibe
Northie

Spokane, WA

#14 Apr 19, 2010
More coal fellating from the Columbus Dispatch, in the heart of coal country. The truth is, clean coal is a gigantic scam; that giant sucking sound you hear is your tax dollars going down holes in Ohio, Kentucky, West Virginia, Colorado and Wyoming. Now that the coal companies have their hands on our money, of course, they tell us that, regrettably, our subsidies will have to continue for decades.

Let's face it, "clean coal" has always been a political fiction designed to soothe voters in valuable swing states, nothing more. Time to stop the gravy train.
Reality-based

Columbus, OH

#15 Apr 19, 2010
Delay, delay, delay and hope the issue goes away. The coal companies are learning from the Republicans in Congress.
LessHypeMoreFact

Orangeville, Canada

#16 Apr 19, 2010
Reality-based wrote:
Delay, delay, delay and hope the issue goes away. The coal companies are learning from the Republicans in Congress.
And probably going the same way as those dinosaurs... I mean when you have to point to Sarah Palin and John McCain as leaders, while Michael Steel shows the world how they work, even political donors of long standing have to step back and save their money..

Just look at coal. It is 'cheap' only if you subsidize it heavily with environmental bypass, rail subsidies, etc. Even coal mining ( which is about the same as open warfare, such as the first three years of the Iraq war) has to be heavily subsidized to make it 'cheap' and that is BEFORE the health effects of all that smoke, ash, radioactivity, etc.
Laughing At Wannabes

Sacramento, CA

#17 Apr 19, 2010
ohio lawyer wrote:
<quoted text>
Atmospheric carbon dioxide levels have leaped from 270 ppm in 1800 to 390 ppm now -- an enormous change in a short time. No remotely credible person disputes that, nor does any credible climate scientist dispute that CO2 is a greenhouse gas. It was not volcanoes that changed the carbon composition of an eggshell-thin atmosphere. It was us.
More fifth-column Al Gore ECO-TERROR commmentary to CHANGE NATIONAL POLICY

By an innumerate, illiterate luddite hick pressed into service from some high school debate class
Laughing At Wannabes

Sacramento, CA

#18 Apr 19, 2010
Disgusting Government employees form scheme to CHANGE the PEOPLE'S MINDS on HOW to CONDUCT POLICY

by TERRORIZING THEM, that THE WORLD will END if they DON'T.

That's what everyone hears, because everyone found out about the

EMAILS
and the DATA

LEAKED

to stop the ECO-TERROR POLICY SHIFT MACHINE

from rolling on unCHECKed

Well it got CHECKED

And now, it's just a matter of time before there are more indictments than the

DOZENS

already handed down in the CARBON CREDITS scam

again: that Al Gore stood UP for

AUTHENTICATED
PEDDLED

when he decided to spread TERROR that the WORLD was gonna end

when he couldn't win by clear majority
a bid to be

the president of the United States.
Laughing At Wannabes

Sacramento, CA

#19 Apr 19, 2010
the low-rent, low-intelligence dipsticks you see here are just the brainsless dopers and socially pathological dregs who can't make it in real business so they envision a life lived off ad revenue from scamming the naive and clueless.

It never occurs to these insipids that the day's got to come - November 17th -19th last year for instance when someone inside their workplace smuggled the data out and posted it online that they knew ALL ALONG there was no such thing as a warming globe,

and no such thing, as any ominous, END of the WORLD coming, as you see touted by these shriveled brainstem wack-a-moles sent here to try to drum up more ad-revenue/political support

for a SCAM to CHANGE POLICY by a RING of GOVERNMENT EMPLOYEES
using GOVERNMENT EMPLOYEE AUTHORITY

to lend CREDIBILITY to the SCAM to CHANGE POLICY through ECO - TERROR:

Telling the people to change the policies of their countries
or
the WORLD is going to END

sign: movers and shakers in the ECO - TERROR MOVEMENT

who got GOVERNMENT JOBS and RUN the SCAM

from THERE.
Northie

Spokane, WA

#20 Apr 19, 2010
loOK, I'm USING rANDOm CaPITALIZAtion juST LikE L.A.w.!

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