1,250 Twin Cities janitors reportedly fired over immigration st...

There are 9 comments on the TwinCities.com story from Nov 9, 2009, titled 1,250 Twin Cities janitors reportedly fired over immigration st.... In it, TwinCities.com reports that:

An immigration attorney says roughly 1,250 undocumented janitors in the Twin Cities were fired from their jobs in October as their company checked immigration papers.

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The Golf Guy

Winter Park, FL

#110 Nov 12, 2009
Peter wrote:
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Ridiculous. We hear that dopiness from the tomato crowd too. No, we wouldn't, we'd shift more to imports. And that'd be a good thing. No imported orange ever dropped an anchor baby or drained our social services. No imported orange ever bankrupted a school because you couldn't tax its parents enough to pay a teacher. No imported orange was ever on the free lunch program or called the fire department or had a kid in a street gang or sold drugs or had an accident without insurance or walked into an emergency room with zero capacity to pay the bill.
So, we have a choice: Import people that damage the country or import that little orange you're so worried about. Smarten up.
Real smart thinking, import some more products into out country, therefore sending more of our money to another country. You make no sense with your orange rant. No wonder we in this country have lost most manufacturing jobs. You and people like you couldn't care less about buying American. You make me sick.
James

Plymouth, MN

#111 Nov 12, 2009
I never went to Nam, drafted stabilized in the US in a hi demand MOS.
The Golf Guy wrote:
<quoted text> Tell me about your time in Viet Nam, where were you and what was your mos?
Peter

Houston, TX

#113 Nov 12, 2009
The Golf Guy wrote:
<quoted text> Real smart thinking, import some more products into out country, therefore sending more of our money to another country. You make no sense with your orange rant. No wonder we in this country have lost most manufacturing jobs. You and people like you couldn't care less about buying American. You make me sick.
Sure, because the country's future is threatened because we have too FEW unskilled peasants. Clearly, we'll grind to halt without more. But American? I'm importing an orange, you're importing a Mexican. Seems both of us are importing something, but my import does less damage.

We're way better off importing oranges than importing poverty and social problems. See, the idea of manufacturing jobs is to manufacture things of high value. That way, the jobs produce high incomes. Picking oranges is unskilled work that, accordingly, is very low pay. This is just the kind of job that is ideal to offshore.

While you worry about losing things overseas, you might want to learn a little something about remittances. That's where someone works here, pays nothing or almost nothing in taxes, lives in our community utilizing everything that that offers, yet sends what money they do have out of the country back to wherever-the-hell-they-came-fr om-land. Smarten up.
James

Plymouth, MN

#114 Nov 12, 2009
You enlisted for an MOS to keep your arse out of combat, that is what everyone did.

I waited for the draft and served where needed. I would have served in any MOS needed. My issue is with those who refused to serve the US in any capacity. WHAT IF everyone did that in a time of war.

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The Golf Guy wrote:
<quoted text> You had the balls to call me out about my enlisting when the draft was going on? You are a spineless piece of garbage. You give me crap about my service, but you didn't even go to Viet Nam, I suggest you ran to Canada, you yellow dog.
The Golf Guy

Winter Park, FL

#115 Nov 12, 2009
Peter wrote:
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Sure, because the country's future is threatened because we have too FEW unskilled peasants. Clearly, we'll grind to halt without more. But American? I'm importing an orange, you're importing a Mexican. Seems both of us are importing something, but my import does less damage.
We're way better off importing oranges than importing poverty and social problems. See, the idea of manufacturing jobs is to manufacture things of high value. That way, the jobs produce high incomes. Picking oranges is unskilled work that, accordingly, is very low pay. This is just the kind of job that is ideal to offshore.
While you worry about losing things overseas, you might want to learn a little something about remittances. That's where someone works here, pays nothing or almost nothing in taxes, lives in our community utilizing everything that that offers, yet sends what money they do have out of the country back to wherever-the-hell-they-came-fr om-land. Smarten up.
Where in any post did I say we should import workers from Mexico? What I said was that no one here in this country will do the work. Don't worry about me getting smarter, I see it every day. Most people who cry about their jobs being taken, won't work at those jobs. The orange growers, as an example, can't afford to pay 15 dollars an hour, or anything close, and make a profit. What is your soulution, as long as you're going to make me smarter?
The Golf Guy

Winter Park, FL

#116 Nov 12, 2009
James wrote:
You enlisted for an MOS to keep your arse out of combat, that is what everyone did.
I waited for the draft and served where needed. I would have served in any MOS needed. My issue is with those who refused to serve the US in any capacity. WHAT IF everyone did that in a time of war.
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You are a liar, you referred to me as "your kind ". Well, you're kind can kiss my kind rear end.
James

Minneapolis, MN

#117 Nov 12, 2009
I'll say it again, you enlisted to avoid combat in Nam.

I stood up and was drafted to do whatever the country needed.

BTW being drafted was totally different than enlisting for a specific MOS. While I was in basic 2 draftees died, one blew his head off, killed himself, at the range another died trying to go over a high voltage fence surrounding a radar dish. He thought he had to scale the fence to get out/go AWOL. After that death the DIs gave everyone a speech on how to get off base without being killed.

A war time draft has different meaning than enlisting.

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The Golf Guy wrote:
<quoted text> You are a liar, you referred to me as "your kind ". Well, you're kind can kiss my kind rear end.
The Golf Guy

Plymouth, MN

#118 Nov 12, 2009
The Golf Guy wrote:
<quoted text> You are a liar, you referred to me as "your kind ". Well, you're kind can kiss my kind rear end.
But I'll have to tax you first! I just loooove taxes! How's that song go? Oh yeah... Deep in the heart of Taxes!
Peter

Houston, TX

#119 Nov 13, 2009
The Golf Guy wrote:
<quoted text> Where in any post did I say we should import workers from Mexico? What I said was that no one here in this country will do the work. Don't worry about me getting smarter, I see it every day. Most people who cry about their jobs being taken, won't work at those jobs. The orange growers, as an example, can't afford to pay 15 dollars an hour, or anything close, and make a profit. What is your soulution, as long as you're going to make me smarter?
Sorry, I shouldn't have assumed that you have the ability to understand the logical conclusion of what you're advocating.

Import oranges. What the growers can't/won't pay, the rest of us do in social services (and a long list of .etc). But the growers don't give a damn if the local hospital goes broke, not his problem, hence his demand for this labor. If the local schools and hospitals got to put a tax on orange production to cover their losses, you'd see us import oranges soon enough.

Not all jobs have to exist. Demand for employees varies with price. Knock down the price and labor demand goes up. For example, valet parking is ubiquitous here in Houston, but not St. Paul. The reason is simple: The flood has yet to fully reach St. Paul. The price of labor in St. Paul is sufficiently high where people choose to park their own cars. Here in Houston, it's free (but for a small tip) and demand is large as a result. Doing this wrecks our schools, but that's not the decision that gets made as the restaurant or mall. We could stand around saying "who will do this job"? In reality, the job wouldn't exist at a higher wage and no one would really care. Just like how we'd adjust to importing oranges and having more solvent schools and fewer babies on Medicaid.

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