Raids Drive Illegal Immigrants Into U...

Raids Drive Illegal Immigrants Into Underground Economy

There are 93 comments on the online.wsj.com story from Mar 29, 2011, titled Raids Drive Illegal Immigrants Into Underground Economy. In it, online.wsj.com reports that:

Critics of U.S. immigration policies on the left and right take issue with such audits by the Obama administration, also known as silent raids. They say that, as a practical matter, the raids shift illegal immigrants with relatively well-paying jobs into the underground economy. Conservatives would rather deport the immigrants; others call for a path to U.S. citizenship.

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Frank

Plano, TX

#96 Apr 15, 2011
Afghan - Iraq Vet wrote:
Deport, Deport, Deport they are all Illegal Aliens no matter where they come from. Jail and fine whoever hires them.
remanber some of those who u call illegal were fighting for george bush war

“A Nation of Legal Immigrants”

Since: Nov 07

Lake City Florida,/ Nebraska

#102 Apr 18, 2011
Freedomx4 wrote:
<quoted text>The federal government is doing their job. They have the funding to deport 400,000 undocumented workers a year, and they are doing that. But, there are 10+ million of them here. Why? Because you're one of those uneducated dumbazzes that want $20 an hour to push a mower.
Read post above, then tell me who,s the dumb ass! lol

“A Nation of Legal Immigrants”

Since: Nov 07

Lake City Florida,/ Nebraska

#103 Apr 18, 2011
Chuckie wrote:
<quoted text>
The federal and state government needs the revenues. They pay taxes that support the federal and state and local governments. Rent, food, gasoline, utilities, and many others.
They pay more taxes than General Electric.
LOL!!!

Rise in public benefits to children of illegal immigrants in L.A. County has
supervisor 'very concerned'

Welfare payments to children of illegal immigrants in Los Angeles County
increased in July to $52 million, prompting renewed calls from one county
supervisor to rein in public benefits to such families.

The payments, made to illegal immigrants for their U.S. citizen children,
included $30 million in food stamps and $22 million from the CalWORKS
welfare program, according to Los Angeles County figures released Friday by
Supervisor Michael D. Antonovich.

The new figure represents an increase of $3.7 million from July 2009 and
makes up 23% of all county welfare and food stamp assistance, according to
county records.

Last year, welfare and food stamp issuances totaled nearly $570 million, an
amount projected to exceed $600 million this year. In addition, county
taxpayers spend $550 million in public safety -- mostly for jail costs --
and nearly $500 million for healthcare for illegal immigrants, Antonovich
said.

"The supervisor is very concerned," said Antonovich spokesman Tony Bell. "He
believes we have an economic catastrophe on our hands."

Shirley Christensen of the county Department of Public Social Services said
the number of households with illegal immigrant parents and U.S. citizen
children receiving welfare increased by 7% from January to June of this
year.

"With the economy the way it is, a lot of people have had to avail
themselves of programs they may not have needed before," Christensen said.
"Everyone is taking a hit, including undocumented immigrants."

Amid continued economic gloom, debate has intensified over the public cost
of providing benefits to illegal immigrants and their U.S. citizen children.
In recent months, calls have grown for a constitutional amendment that would
effectively deny citizenship to the children of illegal immigrants, whose
numbers have increased from 2.7 million in 2003 to 4 million in 2008,
according to the Pew Hispanic Center.

http://latimesblogs.latimes.com/lanow/2010/09...

“A Nation of Legal Immigrants”

Since: Nov 07

Lake City Florida,/ Nebraska

#104 Apr 18, 2011
Illegal alien Health care costs in Miami

"Roldan knows the numbers. Last year, undocumented immigrants visited
Jackson 77,415 times, costing the system $38 million in unpaid care. So far
this year, 54,858 visits have cost $33 million.

That is less than 10 percent of the $500 million the system spends on
charity care each year, but more than half of the $56 million that Jackson
expects to lose this fiscal year.

To varying degrees, all hospitals in the region have had to pay for
undocumented immigrant care costs. Broward Health, the public system in
North Broward, estimates it spent about $16 million last year treating about
12,000 foreign patients who were probably undocumented.

In Miami-Dade, some are poor laborers who never get primary care and end up
in the emergency room very sick.

``Our hands in many ways are tied,'' says Jackson spokesman Robert Alonso.
``If you do the bare minimum, you are literally sentencing that patient to
death. All the ethical and moral issues are there.''

Jackson has never gone to the lengths of Martin Memorial Center in Stuart,
which in 2003 chartered a plane to take Luis Alberto Jimenez back to his
native Guatemala. An illegal immigrant, he had cost the hospital more than
$1 million after a car accident left him in a coma. The hospital acted while
a relative was still battling in court to stop the deportation.

In Jackson's experience, undocumented patients can run from young children
needing transplants to the elderly. Last year, 13 percent of them were over
65. Since they do not quality for Medicare, the hospital did not get
reimbursed for $4.6 million of their care cost.

NURSING HOMES

For long-term cases, Jackson operates two nursing homes -- one on Northwest
22nd Avenue, about two miles from Jackson Memorial, and the other off Old
Cutler Road in South Dade. About two-thirds of these patients are on
Medicaid, the federal-state insurer of the poor, and most of the remaining
third are undocumented immigrants.

Both facilities lose money, but at $318 a patient a day, they cost the
system considerably less than caring for them in the hospital, where charges
average $2,000 daily.

Altogether, the two facilities have about 95 undocumented immigrants. In all
cases, the patients are there because they need continuing care. Jackson
says it can't release any information about them because of privacy laws.

Most government programs do not pay for undocumented immigrants, but under
Section 1011 of the Medicare Modernization Act of 2003, the federal
government provided for their care $250 million a year for fiscal years 2005
through 2008. The program was extended to 2009, but there is no provision
for next year.

Sandra Johnson at Jackson says Section 1011 funds are strongly stacked
toward the West Coast. Only $8 million a year go to Florida, while
California gets $70 million, Texas $46 million and Arizona $45 million.

To get some of that money, Jackson submitted 2,908 claims in 2008 for $23.4
million. It was reimbursed $543,621.31.

Jackson officials want Congress to resurrect the program for next year, with
much fairer funding for Florida.

Outside the emergency room, Jackson's primary care clinics treat anyone who
can prove they are a resident of Miami-Dade -- with an electric bill, child
in the school system, or such -- but many immigration experts say those who
fear deportation are unlikely to appear at a government facility for basic
healthcare. Only when they get truly sick do they show up in ERs. "

http://www.miamiherald.com/news/top-stories/s...

“A Nation of Legal Immigrants”

Since: Nov 07

Lake City Florida,/ Nebraska

#105 Apr 18, 2011
On the verge of going bankrupt with an astounding $26.3 billion deficit, the
nation's most populous state is considering saving hundreds of millions of
dollars annually by cutting monthly welfare payments to illegal immigrants.

The savings doesn't even include the billions of dollars that California
spends annually to educate, incarcerate and medically treat the 2.7 million
illegal aliens (7% of the state's population) who live in the state that has
so generously offered them sanctuary for decades. It turns out that
legislators are finally realizing that illegal immigrants are draining their
precious Golden State.

That's why California officials, extremely generous with tax dollars in the
past, are trying to find a way to eliminate welfare payments to tens of
thousands of illegal immigrants. The move, which has caused outrage among
the state's powerful open borders lobby, would save a much-needed $640
million a year.

An example of who the state cuts the monthly checks to is an unemployed
43-year-old illegal immigrant from Mexico who gets $650 a month for each of
her four children and about $500 in federal food stamps and other vouchers.

Its still chump change compared to what the state spends-between $4 billion
and $6 billion annually-on schools, jails and hospitals for illegal
immigrants. That doesn't even include other local government costs such as
police and fire, road maintenance and other public services.

The biggest chunk-$2.3 billion-goes to educating about 300,000 illegal
immigrant children at public schools throughout the state. California
expects to spend around $834 million to incarcerate nearly 20,000 illegal
aliens in fiscal year 2009-2010 and well over $700 million to medically
treat close to 800,000 illegal immigrants.

More than half the healthcare money will go to emergency services but a
substantial portion will pay for nonemergency health services such as
abortions, prenatal and postpartum care and even nursing homes.

http://www.judicialwatch.org/blog/2009/jul/il...

“A Nation of Legal Immigrants”

Since: Nov 07

Lake City Florida,/ Nebraska

#106 Apr 18, 2011
Chuckie wrote:
<quoted text>

They do pay taxes and never receive the benefits from them like SS and Medicare.

They pay more taxes than GE the tax payers welfare.
LOL!!!

Illegal Aliens Eligible for Social Security Benefits

http://www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,79013,00....

“A Nation of Legal Immigrants”

Since: Nov 07

Lake City Florida,/ Nebraska

#108 Apr 18, 2011
Chuckie wrote:
<quoted text>
You simply do not know the facts.
They do pay state and federal taxes.
They pay into SS.
They pay into Medicare.
They pay property insurance.
They property taxes.
They pay sales taxes.
Many of them may pay more taxes than you.
Please review the following report on the FISCAL COST OF IMMIGRATION by
economist Edwin Rubenstein just released this past week:
http://www.esrresearch.com/Rubensteinreport.p...

A partial summary of the report:

The Fiscal Impact on 15 Federal Departments surveyed was:$346 billion in
fiscal related costs in FY 2007.

Each immigrant cost taxpayers more than $9,000 per year.

An immigrant household (2 adults, 2 children) cost taxpayers $36,000 per
year.

Legal immigrants were not separated out from illegal immigrants for the
fiscal impact study, but if they had been, the fiscal cost per ILLEGAL
immigrant would be even more shocking than the figures quoted above.

The most extensive and authoritative study, prior to economist Edwin
Rubenstein's "The Fiscal Impact of Immigration" (April 200 , is the
National Research Council (NRC)'s The New Americans: Economic, Demographic
and Fiscal Effects of Immigration (1997).

The NRC staff analyzed federal, state, and local government expenditures on
programs such as Medicaid, AFDC (now TANF), and SSI, as well as the cost of
educating immigrants' foreign- and native-born children.

NRC found that the average immigrant household receives $13,326 in federal
annual expenditures and pays $10,664 in federal taxes-that is, they generate
a fiscal deficit of $2,682 (1996 dollars)per household.

In 2007 dollars this is a deficit of $3,408 per immigrant household.

With 9 million households currently headed by immigrants, more than $30
billion ($3,408 x 9 million) of the federal deficit represents money
transferred from native taxpayers to immigrants.

Our national immigration policies have to work for the United States. While
improving the plight of the world's poor is a laudable goal, the finite
resources we have available to fulfill that goal would be swamped if there
wasn't some orderly and manageable system in place to limit entry into the
United States to what this nation can actually support. The more illegal
aliens that are permitted to subvert the immigration system, the fewer
immigrants we can accommodate who might actually produce a positive benefit
for our country.

The more we become a nation of illegal immigrants, the deeper we fall into
anarchy.

“A Nation of Legal Immigrants”

Since: Nov 07

Lake City Florida,/ Nebraska

#110 Apr 18, 2011
Chuckie wrote:
<quoted text>
They still pay taxes.
LOL!!!

(CBS) It was 5 a.m. and CBS News national correspondent Byron Pitts is with
a woman who is nine months pregnant. She's rushed to a south Texas hospital
to undergo a C-section - a $4,700 medical procedure that won't cost her a
dime. She qualifies for emergency Medicaid.

She gave birth to a healthy, 8 1/2 pound baby boy - born in America. His
Mexican mother gave him an American name: Eliot.

Eliot is one of an estimated 300,000 children of illegal immigrants born in
the United States every year, according to the Pew Hispanic Center. They're
given instant citizenship because they are born on U.S. soil, which makes it
easier for their parents to become U.S. citizens.

That's because those babies can eventually sponsor their parents - when they
turn 21 years old.

As for Eliot's mother, no longer as fearful of deportation, she told CBS
News her name, Fabiola, and her story.

"So your son is an American citizen. What does that mean to you?" Pitts
asked.

"I am very glad that he was born. That's why I came here - so my children,
my husband and I could have a better life," she said through a translator.

Back in December, when she was six months pregnant, Fabiola, her husband and
their two daughters - ages 4 and 11 - crossed the Rio Grande from Mexico
into the U.S.

Once on the other side of the river they walked for two hours in search of a
better life and free medical care for their unborn child.

"Do many women in Mexico make the choice to have their children in the
United States?" Pitts asked.

"Yes," she said through a translator. "I know people who have done that.
Things are much better here in the U.S. because they help children so much
more."

It's a "better" life ... that American taxpayers help pay for.

Take healthcare for example -- an estimated $1.1 billion per year for
undocumented men, women and children, according to the Rand Corporation.

Joe Riley is the CEO of the McAllen Texas Medical Center near the
Texas-Mexico border. Forty percent of the children born there, nearly 2,400
last year, were the babies of illegal immigrants.

Riley has seen and heard it all.

"Mothers about to give birth that walk up to the hospital still wet from
swimming across the river in actual labor . dirty, wet, cold," he said.

But here to have a child?

"Here to have a child in the U.S.," he said.

McAllen is part of a large hospital system. Like all hospitals, it is
mandated by law to treat all emergency-room patients, not verify
citizenship.

"We have uncompensated care of over $200 million a year," Riley said.

"Of money that you'll never see again?" Pitts asked.

"Yes," he said.

Rep. Lamar Smith, R-Texas, said: "It is not fair to the taxpayers who have
to foot the bill."

Congress has all but given up on comprehensive immigration reform. But
lawmakers like Smith want to solve birth citizenship to illegal immigrants,
in part by challenging the 14th Amendment, which guarantees U.S. citizenship
to any child born in America.

"It seems fundamentally wrong that we ought to give the greatest honor of
their citizenship," Smith said. "His or her mother came across the border
illegally."

Many Americans who struggle to take care of their own families think it is
unfair that they should take care of a family and they are not U.S.
citizens.

"I don't understand the resentment," said. "I know that God will help them,
too."

That's what Fabiola's doing for young Eliot. Relying on her faith, her
family . and the U.S. government.

http://www.cbsnews.com/stories/2008/04/07/eve...

“A Nation of Legal Immigrants”

Since: Nov 07

Lake City Florida,/ Nebraska

#111 Apr 18, 2011
Chuckie wrote:
<quoted text>
You are quoting only the state of California.
REPORT OF THE TASK FORCE ON OKLAHOMA ILLEGAL IMMIGRATION ISSUES

http://www.oksenate.gov/publications/issue_pa...

“A Nation of Legal Immigrants”

Since: Nov 07

Lake City Florida,/ Nebraska

#112 Apr 18, 2011
Chuckie wrote:
<quoted text>
No I do not approve of people committing felonies.
I always lock my doors. You can not trust people in this country weather it be citizens or illegals.
I do not need to post my SS they can go online and get as many as they want.

Many really do jobs Americans will not do.
LOL!!!

American Workers Continue to Pick up Jobs Left Vacant by Immigration Raids

A new report in USA Today finds that unemployed U.S. citizens continue to
fill up jobs left vacant by immigration raids, particularly at meatpacking
and poultry plants. The reports says that plants impacted by the raids were
back up and running at full capacity within months of the raids.
Vanderbilt University professor Carol Swain said the raids were beneficial
to the American workforce.

"Whenever there's an immigration raid, you find white, black and legal
immigrant labor lining up to do those jobs that Americans will supposedly
not do," Prof. Swain said in the USA Today article.

The USA Today report cites a study conducted by Steven Camarota at the
Center for Immigration Studies that found Americans holding the majority of
positions in fields that many claim are dominated by illegal aliens.

For more on this story, see USA Today.

http://www.numbersusa.com/content/news/septem...

“A Nation of Legal Immigrants”

Since: Nov 07

Lake City Florida,/ Nebraska

#113 Apr 18, 2011
Chuckie wrote:
<quoted text>
I agree with what you say about the welfare and thanks for the link. There are many that do pay taxes in one form or another.

They are probably more of a burden in California than other states because there are probably more of them in California.
How can they be a burden on California, if they do this?

"Chuckie" Quote:

"How do they not pay sales taxes on groceries, gasoline, clothing, utilities, car tags, and etc?
Tell me how they get out of paying these taxes?
When they pay rent it is used to pay property taxes."

“A Nation of Legal Immigrants”

Since: Nov 07

Lake City Florida,/ Nebraska

#114 Apr 18, 2011
Chuckie wrote:
<quoted text>
I do not in any way think illegal immigration is above the law.

I just have some compassion for some of them that are here to work and have a better life.
How about a little "Compassion" for the immigrants that are waiting in their own country to enter here the "Legal" way?

You don't take your first step to become an American citizen by committing an illegal act to get here.

Our American citizenship is worth more than that!

The inscription at the base of the Statute of Liberty concludes, "I lift my lamp beside the golden door!" It says nothing about welcoming people who bypass our entry doors by climbing walls, swimming rivers and sneaking under border fences.

“A Nation of Legal Immigrants”

Since: Nov 07

Lake City Florida,/ Nebraska

#116 Apr 18, 2011
Frank wrote:
<quoted text>remanber some of those who u call illegal were fighting for george bush war
Source??

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