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Southwest Airlines to buy AirTran | The Columbus Dispatch

There are 55 comments on the Columbus Dispatch story from Sep 27, 2010, titled Southwest Airlines to buy AirTran | The Columbus Dispatch. In it, Columbus Dispatch reports that:

Southwest Airlines said today it will buy AirTran for about $1.42 billion. The move will put Southwest in head-to-head competition with Delta Air Lines in Delta's home base of Atlanta.

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dave chappelle

Grove City, OH

#42 Sep 29, 2010
dirtydog wrote:
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True and it shows how great a product Boeing, P&W and GE makes, but if your Land Rover, BMW, Lexus, etc **** out all those fluids, you be taking it back to the dealer.
Pressurized aircraft are like that for a reason. They "tighten up" quite nicely when at altitude and with the cabin pressurized. That's the environment they're designed for.
It's really quite simple.
dirtydog

Austin, TX

#43 Sep 29, 2010
dave chappelle wrote:
<quoted text> Pressurized aircraft are like that for a reason. They "tighten up" quite nicely when at altitude and with the cabin pressurized. That's the environment they're designed for.
It's really quite simple.
What? That is so stupid. The SR71 tightens up due to skin heating caused by friction.
Most commercial airliners leak fuel, hyd, oil and burn oil continuously, and pressurization has nothing to do with it since none of the areas where these fluids are contained are pressurized. Only the fuselage is bulkhead to bulkhead, and devoid of the landing gear bays, and a old leaky plane like a DC9 has a considerable amount of air leakage already when compared to a pneumatically tighter and newer plane such as a B757/A320.
They leak, and and Mechanics replenish them, or ground them depending on the severity of the leak. There are three different classes.
dirtydog

Austin, TX

#44 Sep 29, 2010
Whatever wrote:
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So are you saying this is just an issue with Southwest or is it an issue with all carriers? If it's an issue with all carriers then you should take it somewhere else as it is off topic and not pertinent to the discussion. If you are saying that only Southwest has this problem then I would agree with other posters who simply say that as long as SW gets us where we want to go and does so safely, then what is the issue?
If I followed every recommendation that my car manufacturer threw at me I'd be chasing my tail all day long. And there would be no real benefit to doing so.
Yes and No. Most brand new jet engines leak and burn oil and old airframes leak hyrualics and fuel. The Rolls Royce motor hung on a B777 being the exeception. The JT8 or CFM56 hanging on SWA B737s leak and burn, which is not unique to SWA.

But it is unique to SWA where there route structure where the plane flies from point to point to point and may not fly into a major station where it can be serviced for a extended period of time and number of flights thus allowing the oil tank to run quite low[dry sump system].

Whereas a conventional legacy carrier uses the the hub and spoke system, which sends out the aircraft to smaller stations, and recalls them back to hub where the can be quickly serviced.
Whatever

Grove City, OH

#45 Sep 30, 2010
I see. Thanks for the clarification. So you are making an argument against SW's maintenance system and concluding that there could be safety issues.
FedUpwHypocrisy

Charlotte, NC

#46 Oct 2, 2010
dirtydog wrote:
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Not union? Man you are really misinformed, and that misinformation is exactly why there is a cult following of this airline; because the average Joe is so anti union, especially in Texas, that mistakenly prefer to fly them because they think they are thumbing their nose to unions.
You, and they are wrong. SWA is actually the most heavily unionized airline. Their Mechanics are represented by AMFA, the same union that failed miserable at NWA and UAL..........
..........Often SWA fares are more than these Legacy carriers too, especially if one is savvy enough to pack one carry-on bag.
True that!

Below is an analysis from an airline pilot forum:

"Let’s Get Some Southwest Non-fiction on the Table

In its submission, Southwest complains that at LGA, "instead of an airport balanced among three airlines of roughly equal size, the slot swap would catapult Delta into a dominant position more than twice the size of the nearest competitor." But Southwest does not ever mention anything pertaining to its size within the U.S. domestic market. In 2008 there were only 6 airport markets with more domestic origin and destination (O&D) traffic than LGA. Southwest is the largest carrier in three of those six markets. At the 48 domestic airports where Southwest is the largest carrier of O&D traffic, it is at least twice the size of the next largest carrier in 27.
At Dallas Love Field, Southwest controls 94.3 percent of O&D traffic and the second largest carrier has 2.2 percent. At Houston Hobby Airport, Southwest controls 86.2 percent of O&D traffic versus 5.2 for the nearest competitor. At Chicago Midway, Southwest has 79.1 percent control while the next largest competitor has 8.8 percent.

>>>>>>>At Love Field, Houston Hobby and Chicago Midway the average fares rose at those airports 36.2 percent, 21.8 percent and 29.4 percent respectively between 2005 and 2008. In each of the 48 airport markets where Southwest is the number one competitor, fares on average increased 17.5 percent between 2005 and 2008.<<<<< <<<<<<<

Southwest would have us all believe that their presence at an airport is the ultimate discipline on fares and they claim it in every regulatory filing and certainly on every advertisement. Despite what Southwest likes to say, it is not the same Southwest that sprinkled the “Southwest Effect” on markets in 1992. The claims of low fares stimulating new demand just do not hold today - because everyone offers low fares.
During the period between 2005 and 2008, wasn’t Southwest enjoying the benefits of a fuel hedging program that provided the carrier with a most significant cost advantage relative to an industry that had largely restructured itself? I assumed that cost advantage benefit garnered from a fortuitous bet on the price of oil was being passed on to the consumer. Instead Southwest was raising fares. In their filing they actually go as far as calculate the cost saving their low fares would bring to each the DCA and LGA markets. The calculation is performed after including a $25 bag fee on top of the fare of the competition."
QQQQ

Lihue, HI

#47 Oct 3, 2010
Southwest's low-fare carrier myth will be exposed now.
Bob

AOL

#48 Oct 7, 2010
With AirTran Airlines new fleet of all Boeing aircraft and its wonderful staffing of truly profesional employees this merger is a winner all around.We have always loved our flights on AirTran, clean, resonable priced, on time, great employees and schdules. Lets hope this southwest does not alter AirTrans great customer service and outstanding friendly employee efforts to make AirTran the airline of choice.
Helen

AOL

#49 Dec 6, 2010
Atlanta is looking forward to having Southwest in our city. Their union with a legacy airline like AirTran Airlines will allow more options for the Atlanta traveling public as well as throughout North America. Lets hope they also pick up delta airways in order to boost their own international flights somewhat as well. Go AirTran/Southwest.
Captain Caveman

Columbus, OH

#50 Dec 6, 2010
Hello from the flight deck folks!
Bob and Helen will be serving you unlimited BS from AirTran's PR division. Enjoy!
Lawrence

AOL

#51 Dec 8, 2010
Actualy all of AirTran AirLines talented employees are expected to be obsorbed and the Airline will go by the Southwest name. AirTran Airlines always ran a lean mean operation and there is not any fat to cut. Many more will be hired to handle the future growth. AirTrans middle Management will no doubt get the ax though. As for aircraft age AirTran Airlines has the youngest all Boeing fleet (B717 & 737-700ng) in America. It will be a great combination and the best airline in the U.S.A.
Beef Stew

United States

#52 Dec 9, 2010
At least one-third of Southwest's fleet are 737-300s, the forerunner of the -700. Many are over 20 years old and have no inflight entertainment except the clowns in the cabin.
otis

Columbus, OH

#53 Dec 10, 2010
Beef Stew wrote:
At least one-third of Southwest's fleet are 737-300s, the forerunner of the -700. Many are over 20 years old and have no inflight entertainment except the clowns in the cabin.
New aircraft are very costly. Some airlines lease rather than buy a new airplane.

With thin profit margins compared to the investment, a carrier needs to keep an airplane in service for as long as practicable. With proper and regular maintenance, an airline can get 30-35 years service from an airplane.
Beef Stew

Houston, TX

#54 Dec 10, 2010
You're talking to someone who works with an all-leased fleet. At least we have video & music to keep the customers happy. Good luck on Peanuts Air.
Elaine Dickinson

United States

#55 Dec 10, 2010
Leave the Tbone behind.

Since: Apr 10

Columbus, OH

#56 Dec 10, 2010
DC Buckeye wrote:
Ugh. This is rotten news. FL had upgrades, biz class, and professional staff. WN has the cattle car boarding free-for-all, unprofessional staff, no international service, scuzzy pax, and dirty planes. I was really hoping FL would fly BWI - CMH to give WN a run for its money. Guess when I want to fly from DC to CMH, I'll either have to take DL out of DCA or UA out of IAD ... Or, I'll just drive.
Hey you should take the trai....
Oh. never mind.

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