AirTran pilots switch to ALPA union

AirTran pilots switch to ALPA union

There are 14 comments on the dayton.bizjournals.com story from Apr 10, 2009, titled AirTran pilots switch to ALPA union. In it, dayton.bizjournals.com reports that:

AirTran Airways pilots have voted to switch from their independent National Pilots Association union to the powerful Air Line Pilots Association.

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youbsorry

Enid, OK

#1 Apr 10, 2009
BIG MISTAKE
J Sullivan

Palmetto, GA

#2 Apr 10, 2009
youbsorry wrote:
BIG MISTAKE
DITTO

Since: May 08

Santee CA

#3 Apr 11, 2009
ALPA offers experience and deeper pockets financially. However don't expect miracles. This isn't your grandfathers era. You won't find other industries refusing to cross your picket line. In the old days the fuelers wouldn't cross your line, the caterer wouldn't supply it your plane, etc. Once Reagan fired the controllers and planes didn't fall out of the sky, union strength took a serious hit. Look at the NWA/AMFA "battle".
Still NWA Soon Delta

Saint Paul, MN

#4 Apr 11, 2009
Prost wrote:
ALPA offers experience and deeper pockets financially. However don't expect miracles. This isn't your grandfathers era. You won't find other industries refusing to cross your picket line. In the old days the fuelers wouldn't cross your line, the caterer wouldn't supply it your plane, etc. Once Reagan fired the controllers and planes didn't fall out of the sky, union strength took a serious hit. Look at the NWA/AMFA "battle".
The NWA/AMFA Battle was just plain stupidity on AMFA's part. You don't strike when #1, there is no support from other unions and #2 when a company is going into bankruptcy. Had the AMFA taken the first offer, they would have provided severance of 6 mos to the junior workers and unemployement. Instead, they got ZIP. Too Bad Too Sad
Maxx

Stone Mountain, GA

#5 Apr 11, 2009
youbsorry wrote:
BIG MISTAKE
I'm not so sure about that. It may be a smart move especially if they are thinking they might merge with and another ALPA carrier in the future.

They "might" gain some seniority protection whereas if they stayed independent they run the risk of being stapled.

Since: May 08

Santee CA

#6 Apr 11, 2009
Still NWA Soon Delta wrote:
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The NWA/AMFA Battle was just plain stupidity on AMFA's part. You don't strike when #1, there is no support from other unions and #2 when a company is going into bankruptcy. Had the AMFA taken the first offer, they would have provided severance of 6 mos to the junior workers and unemployement. Instead, they got ZIP. Too Bad Too Sad
AA mechanics had a grass roots effort going to leave the TWU, fortunatly people realized that fighting smart is not necessarily "being in bed" with the company. That movement fell to a whisper after they saw what tough guy AMFA did for NW mechanics. I'm not sure what's more tragic. Did AMFA use this chance to show how tough they are and the guys got screwed? Was AMFA leadership that bad? Only a few insiders would know for sure.
excalibur

United States

#7 Apr 11, 2009
Good luck with ALPA. They'll collect your dues BUT they don't promise protection of your money,seniority, when you most need it. ALPA twice, got screwed both times.
Prospective Pax

AOL

#8 Apr 11, 2009
Maxx wrote:
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I'm not so sure about that. It may be a smart move especially if they are thinking they might merge with and another ALPA carrier in the future.
They "might" gain some seniority protection whereas if they stayed independent they run the risk of being stapled.
Agreed
V1cut

Calhoun, LA

#9 Apr 12, 2009
ALPA suxs
you bet

Lehi, UT

#10 Apr 12, 2009
if alpa was so bad, what did you do to improve things! did you run for office, or did you just bitch and moan, like everyone else?
youbsorry

Enid, OK

#11 Apr 12, 2009
Maxx wrote:
<quoted text>
I'm not so sure about that. It may be a smart move especially if they are thinking they might merge with and another ALPA carrier in the future.
They "might" gain some seniority protection whereas if they stayed independent they run the risk of being stapled.
No actually they would be better off independent in a merger.

Since: May 08

Santee CA

#12 Apr 12, 2009
you bet wrote:
if alpa was so bad, what did you do to improve things! did you run for office, or did you just bitch and moan, like everyone else?
As a shop steward there is nothing worse than the guy who tells you "the union sucks". We are all the union, a few of us have taken the extra step to save your job, and try to educate you. The union is only as strong as it's members. My favorite guy is the one who will undermine everything you try to do as a union, but when he gets himself in a bind he begs the union to save his butt.
Maxx

Jonesboro, GA

#13 Apr 12, 2009
youbsorry wrote:
<quoted text>No actually they would be better off independent in a merger.
Explain.
Mike

United States

#14 Apr 17, 2009
It can't be any worse than what we have now. TWA was in chapt 11 when AA came knocking. Yes they got hosed but it beats the alternative of going out of business.

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