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Or a taser

Chambersburg, PA

#68 Aug 27, 2014
Harry Paratestes wrote:
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The only way to stop bad people with guns, is with the will of good people with guns too. Ask any Soldier.
Tasers stop bad guys with guns too.

So do good guys who can tackle and good guys.

There are any number of ways bad guys with guns are stopped. Adding more flying bullets to the situation is most certainly NOT the "only" way.
Pepper spray works

Chambersburg, PA

#69 Aug 27, 2014
Texan wrote:
My graqndfather taught me with a single shot 22, I taught my children with a single shot 22. A nine year old with an Uzzi; what were those people thinking? Evedently they weren't. You are absolutly right Harry, because when a good guy without a gun tries to stop a bad guy withy a gun? The good guy will just be added the casualty list.
Except here:
TUSCON
Loughner stopped to reload, but dropped the loaded magazine from his pocket to the sidewalk, from where bystander Patricia Maisch grabbed it. Another bystander clubbed the back of the assailant's head with a folding chair, injuring his elbow in the process, representing the 14th injury.Loughner was tackled to the ground by 74-year-old retired United States Army Colonel Bill Badger, who had been shot himself, and was further subdued by Maisch and bystanders Roger Sulzgeber and Joseph Zamudio.

And here:
SEATTLE
Jon Meis' reported habit of carrying pepper spray may have saved students' lives after a man opened fire at a Seattle college.
The shooter had just wounded three people Thursday, one of whom died. He was reloading his shotgun when Meis, a volunteer security guard, saw an opening.
He doused the gunman with the spray and tackled him to the ground.
Other students at Seattle Pacific University piled on and took the weapon away from suspected shooter Aaron Ybarra, 26, police said.

And here too:
NEW MEXICO
A New Mexico middle school teacher has been credited with saving many lives when he persuaded a 12-year-old boy into dropping his shotgun after he had wounded two students, according to officials.
"He starts to turn and see that the young man shoots and shoots, and then pointing the firearm at Mr. Masterson," Martinez said at a Tuesday night news conference. "Mr. Masterson then begins to talk to him -- to put it down. The young man put the gun down and raised his hands."

Good guys without guns stop bad guys with guns. Why would any honest person claim otherwise?
Not a single case

Chambersburg, PA

#70 Aug 27, 2014
Some actual facts.....

In the wake of the massacres this year at a Colorado movie theater, a Sikh temple in Wisconsin, and Sandy Hook Elementary School in Connecticut, we set out to track mass shootings in the United States over the last 30 years. We identified and analyzed 62 of them, and one striking pattern in the data is this: In not a single case was the killing stopped by a civilian using a gun.

And in other recent (but less lethal) rampages in which armed civilians attempted to intervene, those civilians not only failed to stop the shooter but also were gravely wounded or killed.

http://www.motherjones.com/politics/2012/09/m...
Harry Paratestes

Louisville, KY

#71 Aug 27, 2014
Pepper spray works wrote:
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Except here:
TUSCON
Loughner stopped to reload, but dropped the loaded magazine from his pocket to the sidewalk, from where bystander Patricia Maisch grabbed it. Another bystander clubbed the back of the assailant's head with a folding chair, injuring his elbow in the process, representing the 14th injury.Loughner was tackled to the ground by 74-year-old retired United States Army Colonel Bill Badger, who had been shot himself, and was further subdued by Maisch and bystanders Roger Sulzgeber and Joseph Zamudio.
And here:
SEATTLE
Jon Meis' reported habit of carrying pepper spray may have saved students' lives after a man opened fire at a Seattle college.
The shooter had just wounded three people Thursday, one of whom died. He was reloading his shotgun when Meis, a volunteer security guard, saw an opening.
He doused the gunman with the spray and tackled him to the ground.
Other students at Seattle Pacific University piled on and took the weapon away from suspected shooter Aaron Ybarra, 26, police said.
And here too:
NEW MEXICO
A New Mexico middle school teacher has been credited with saving many lives when he persuaded a 12-year-old boy into dropping his shotgun after he had wounded two students, according to officials.
"He starts to turn and see that the young man shoots and shoots, and then pointing the firearm at Mr. Masterson," Martinez said at a Tuesday night news conference. "Mr. Masterson then begins to talk to him -- to put it down. The young man put the gun down and raised his hands."
Good guys without guns stop bad guys with guns. Why would any honest person claim otherwise?
Sure, and I could aim a stream of piss at his eyes, and shoot for temporary blindness. I won't though.
Long hauler

Jonesboro, AR

#72 Aug 27, 2014
I feel 10 days is too long. Most ppl who go through all paperwork n trouble to buy a legitimate gun then they don't need a 10 day wait! Criminals are gonna do a 10 minute sidewalk deal! You do have the occasional person who had mental illness getting a gun through legal channels! That needs to be better controlled!
Harry Paratestes

Louisville, KY

#73 Aug 27, 2014
Not a single case wrote:
Some actual facts.....
In the wake of the massacres this year at a Colorado movie theater, a Sikh temple in Wisconsin, and Sandy Hook Elementary School in Connecticut, we set out to track mass shootings in the United States over the last 30 years. We identified and analyzed 62 of them, and one striking pattern in the data is this: In not a single case was the killing stopped by a civilian using a gun.
And in other recent (but less lethal) rampages in which armed civilians attempted to intervene, those civilians not only failed to stop the shooter but also were gravely wounded or killed.
http://www.motherjones.com/politics/2012/09/m...
I also won't read ANY of the nonsense mother Jones publishes. I'm definitely not in her ranks of readership. Pure hippie drivel.
It works

Chambersburg, PA

#74 Aug 27, 2014
Harry Paratestes wrote:
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Sure, and I could aim a stream of piss at his eyes, and shoot for temporary blindness. I won't though.
Do what works. I haven't seen any cases where piss has worked. But pepper spray certainly has.
No surprise

Chambersburg, PA

#75 Aug 27, 2014
Harry Paratestes wrote:
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I also won't read ANY of the nonsense mother Jones publishes. I'm definitely not in her ranks of readership. Pure hippie drivel.
The facts are the facts: 62 mass shootings and not a single one stopped by a civilian using a gun.

But like most rightwingers, you obviously have an aversion to verified facts. Especially when they conflict with your existing beliefs and ideology.
truth-facts

Chillicothe, OH

#76 Aug 27, 2014
No surprise wrote:
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The facts are the facts: 62 mass shootings and not a single one stopped by a civilian using a gun.
But like most rightwingers, you obviously have an aversion to verified facts. Especially when they conflict with your existing beliefs and ideology.
NO SURPRISE your a liar.

Since: Nov 10

Location hidden

#77 Aug 27, 2014
No surprise wrote:
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The facts are the facts: 62 mass shootings and not a single one stopped by a civilian using a gun.
But like most rightwingers, you obviously have an aversion to verified facts. Especially when they conflict with your existing beliefs and ideology.
You may want to check +FBI facts about how many lives are saved by armed citizens a year. No matter your beliefs or ideology, just facts. Don't just pick and choose, get the whole picture. The media only reports the anti- gun views, that will get ratings. You will never see the media report someone saved because they defended themselves with a gun.
62 mass murders ? Custards last sand does not count.
Gasman

Houston, TX

#78 Aug 27, 2014
They need to make a fart gun...fart bullets are cool...
you will

Hyden, KY

#79 Aug 27, 2014
never get guns legal for all to be able to pack them ,its to big of threat to law men.they would not have the advantage then.so that never happen.look at all laws they have to be in forced .they are forced upon you for reasons ..
Clinger

Holland, MI

#80 Aug 27, 2014
The ten day waiting period wasn't designed to reduce gun crime, it was designed to deprive lawful citizens of their civil rights.
Even a Kaliforniastan leftist knows criminals, gangsters, thugs, and revolutionary anarchists don't "purchase" their weapons, they steal them from responsible citizens who CAN pass background checks.
So, removing the waiting period will not negatively affect gun crime.
It will however, treat lawful, legal citizens like..citizens and not subjects.

Calm down

Jamestown, NY

#81 Aug 27, 2014
texan wrote:
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So do you think a person contemplating suicide or murdering someone with a gun is going to admit to the person selling the gun or filling out the federal form I'd going to state that their going to kill themselves or someone else? You're an typical mentally deformed liberal if that's what you think.
I don't see where you got that from what he/she said. But I do have to agree, say for exsample you found out someone was malesting a child, what is the first thing you want to do. Kill them, say it was your own child. God for bid if this ever happened I'm just using this as an exsample. You go out to buy a gun, now it can go two ways, they give you the gun right there and then. You shoot the S.O.B. Now your in jail for murder. That does not help the child. But if you had to wait, you would prolly thank the good Lord cause your not in jail and you are there for your child.
I'm not saying take away our rights to have guns, I'm all for guns, I own them my self. But this waiting period could save a lot of people from making rash disions. That's not such a bad thing.
truth-facts

Chillicothe, OH

#82 Aug 27, 2014
Calm down wrote:
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I don't see where you got that from what he/she said. But I do have to agree, say for exsample you found out someone was malesting a child, what is the first thing you want to do. Kill them, say it was your own child. God for bid if this ever happened I'm just using this as an exsample. You go out to buy a gun, now it can go two ways, they give you the gun right there and then. You shoot the S.O.B. Now your in jail for murder. That does not help the child. But if you had to wait, you would prolly thank the good Lord cause your not in jail and you are there for your child.
I'm not saying take away our rights to have guns, I'm all for guns, I own them my self. But this waiting period could save a lot of people from making rash disions. That's not such a bad thing.
In the heat of passion a 10 wait period means nothing.In your scenario a distraught parent would use any instrument to hunt down the molester and end that person's pathetic life.This has happened numerous times. So your argument is bogus.
If you are a true gun owner,which I highly doubt,you would not make a statement about a waiting period,you'd be against it.
truth-facts

Chillicothe, OH

#83 Aug 27, 2014
What about the woman who has just been granted a TPO against her crazy EX. She must wait 10 days. Is her EX going to give her a 10 day waiting period?

“Free to be me and you!”

Since: Aug 14

Tampa, FL

#84 Aug 27, 2014
Defiant1 wrote:
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The whole thing is nonsense. If I decided to go out and buy a gun today, I should get it today. The suppositions that people buy guns for ill intent thereby infringing on everyone's rights are totally UN-American.
It is really none of your business what people buy a gun for. The government needs to enforce all of the gun laws that are already on the books and leave citizens alone.
Amen!
Well

York, PA

#85 Aug 27, 2014
So what wrote:
I have my pistal permit, I own a gun, if I had to wait 10 days to get a new one, or even if it was my first one, so be it. In order to carry or own a gun, do you not have to go through a class, get finger printed, wait to hear to see if your even approved. And to even carry in some states you have to take several different classes. So waiting 10 days for a gun I don't see the big deal.
FYI - people that live in the free part of the United States are not required to do any of those things.
Harry Paratestes

Louisville, KY

#86 Aug 27, 2014
No surprise wrote:
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The facts are the facts: 62 mass shootings and not a single one stopped by a civilian using a gun.
But like most rightwingers, you obviously have an aversion to verified facts. Especially when they conflict with your existing beliefs and ideology.
Facts are apparently unimportant to you (as with mother Jones) no aversion to them as you propose, you failed to state one. And, I'm not a right winger, more a realist.
Some estimates range as high as 2.5 million uses for personal defense in a year. Other more conservative estimates claim as few as 100,000 per year. The reality of this all is, you will probably have to pick a number somewhere in the middle that makes you comfortable, and live with it. The people who are opposed to this, are probably like myself, and could survive without a single subsequent purchase.
62 mass shootings, you're a hoot!
truth-facts

Chillicothe, OH

#87 Aug 27, 2014
Well wrote:
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FYI - people that live in the free part of the United States are not required to do any of those things.
Great point. Nowhere in this nation should a hypocrite politician be able to sign a law taking away a person's rights.No state or Governor of that state should ever be able to violate a person's constitutional right. We get the leaders we elect.Sad to say that people will accept a leader that will trample their rights.Gov . Brown,Mayor Bloomberg, Gov Cuomo,Gov Hickenloogy are prime examples.These tyraants have no business violating citizen rights.

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