The Real Real Reason Romney is Losing

The Real Real Reason Romney is Losing

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Cleavon Little

Since: Sep 12

Hilliard, OH

#1 Oct 2, 2012
...And the point is this: The explanation isn’t polls, skewed though they may be. It isn’t Romney, flawed, as all humans are, though he may be. The real explanation is one that most pundits either don’t grasp or, in the case of conservatives, are frightened to even contemplate: America has long been on a moral trajectory that has now brought us to an electoral tipping point. And there is no way back from the abyss.

Let’s start like this. If you’re a conservative, you may understand that one way to frame the so-called left/right divide is as a battle between the virtue-oriented and the vice-oriented. The point is that, in the aggregate, there is a profound moral difference between liberals and conservatives. This is reflected in the Tea Party and Occupy Wall Street. The former holds its rallies peacefully, packs up, leaves the grounds clean, and goes home; the latter squats for weeks or months on end, steals, vandalizes, occasionally rapes and murders, preaches anti-economic-freedom messages, expects handouts, and leaves the grounds a wasteland.

The difference is also reflected in how liberals and conservatives react to scandal. When GOP Congressman Mark Foley was found to have sent inappropriate messages to male pages, he had to resign, and his conservative district wouldn’t even vote in a Republican the next election; in contrast, late Democratic Congressman Gerry Studds actually had a sexual affair with a teenage male page, and his liberal Massachusetts district re-elected him six more times until his retirement.

And this moral difference was recently reflected when Obama, responding to the Republican National Convention, said that the GOP’s agenda was so “last century” that it’s like watching “black-and-white TV.” This no doubt played well with liberals because it invoked a theme common among them: impugning the 1950s. The left despises the ‘50s, describing them as backwards, repressed, and boring. But there is a more accurate way to describe ‘50s imagery: it is the imagery of virtue. That is the real problem the Left has with it, even though they don’t understand this themselves.

Once we grasp the above, we realize there is a close correlation between the morality of a people and that of their government. Great thinkers have always understood this. For example, English poet William Cowper rhetorically asked,“When was public virtue to be found when private was not?” and Edmund Burke warned,“It is written in the eternal constitution of things that men of intemperate minds cannot be free. Their passions forge their fetters.”

Cleavon Little

Since: Sep 12

Hilliard, OH

#2 Oct 2, 2012
So I now ask, does our decadent popular culture, with its violent, sexual imagery and messages, strike you as the fruits of a civilization of temperate minds? Are youngsters who tattoo and pierce themselves (I’ve even seen plates in ears) en masse, something last seen in barbaric, primitive cultures, likely men of temperate minds? When we see people marching mostly naked in the streets, simulating sex acts and celebrating perversion, and cheered by millions of others, does it reflect temperate minds? When we hear about flash mobs met by impotent authorities, fifth-graders having orgies in classrooms and committing rapes, 13-year-old boys hacking a grandmother to death, how as many young people favor socialism (which Churchill called “the gospel of envy”) as oppose it, how even 62 percent of “Christians” don’t believe in absolute morality, and how 42 percent of children are born out of wedlock, do you consider them indicators of a land moving toward or away from temperate-minded status?

Perhaps my above exposition is lacking. How do you encapsulate in 500 words the dynamics of a great civilization’s decline? Simply put, however, the tipping point is this: We’ve reached the stage at which men of intemperate minds outnumber the temperate-minded. It is that victory of vice over virtue that always ends the same way: the death of the republic.

But this is scary to consider. It’s more comforting to talk about Romney’s or the GOP’s faults, which are easy enough to find, and believe our problems lie in our wanting political stars, not ourselves.“Why, all we need is the right candidate — a true conservative! We need bold leadership in the GOP.” Or it could be,“We need a vibrant third party.” It’s a nice dream. But “Where are all the leaders?” is the wrong question; it should be,“Where are all the followers?”

Some will now say it’s hard for people to know who and what to follow when their only conduit of information, the media, is more corrupt than ever.

Yes, like the rest of the culture.

And it’s clear that the media have both led, and followed, that cultural decline. Never forget that we’re all in this boat together; the media are part of “the people” and are supported by them. All we need do to make them vanish is stop watching, reading, and listening. And men of temperate minds generally already have.

As for the majority of the followers, how did they get to this point? They were both cultivated domestically and imported. It required a long Gramscian march through the institutions; years of turning the schools, media, and the entertainment realm into leftist-foot-soldier-creating propaganda mills. It required decades of immigration by people who hail from socialist nations and who are socialist-minded. It was a process of “demoralization”— which refers to the gradual undermining of a people’s morals — which ex-KGB Soviet defector Yuri Bezmenov said in the 1980s was “more than complete.” Where, my temperate-minded friends, do you think it stands today?

It stands at a precipice — as do we. This, again, is what few dare contemplate. We won’t solve the problem of our civilization-rending, and ending, cultural malaise with elections when the largest constituency is now Men of Intemperate Minds. Like the Arab Spring, all we will do is forge our fetters with the mechanism of democracy.
http://www.thenewamerican.com/reviews/opinion...
Big Johnson

Columbus, OH

#3 Oct 2, 2012
Cleavon Little wrote:
So I now ask, does our decadent popular culture, with its violent, sexual imagery and messages, strike you as the fruits of a civilization of temperate minds? Are youngsters who tattoo and pierce themselves (I’ve even seen plates in ears) en masse, something last seen in barbaric, primitive cultures, likely men of temperate minds? When we see people marching mostly naked in the streets, simulating sex acts and celebrating perversion, and cheered by millions of others, does it reflect temperate minds? When we hear about flash mobs met by impotent authorities, fifth-graders having orgies in classrooms and committing rapes, 13-year-old boys hacking a grandmother to death, how as many young people favor socialism (which Churchill called “the gospel of envy”) as oppose it, how even 62 percent of “Christians” don’t believe in absolute morality, and how 42 percent of children are born out of wedlock, do you consider them indicators of a land moving toward or away from temperate-minded status?
Perhaps my above exposition is lacking. How do you encapsulate in 500 words the dynamics of a great civilization’s decline? Simply put, however, the tipping point is this: We’ve reached the stage at which men of intemperate minds outnumber the temperate-minded. It is that victory of vice over virtue that always ends the same way: the death of the republic.
But this is scary to consider. It’s more comforting to talk about Romney’s or the GOP’s faults, which are easy enough to find, and believe our problems lie in our wanting political stars, not ourselves.“Why, all we need is the right candidate — a true conservative! We need bold leadership in the GOP.” Or it could be,“We need a vibrant third party.” It’s a nice dream. But “Where are all the leaders?” is the wrong question; it should be,“Where are all the followers?”
Some will now say it’s hard for people to know who and what to follow when their only conduit of information, the media, is more corrupt than ever.
Yes, like the rest of the culture.
And it’s clear that the media have both led, and followed, that cultural decline. Never forget that we’re all in this boat together; the media are part of “the people” and are supported by them. All we need do to make them vanish is stop watching, reading, and listening. And men of temperate minds generally already have.
As for the majority of the followers, how did they get to this point? They were both cultivated domestically and imported. It required a long Gramscian march through the institutions; years of turning the schools, media, and the entertainment realm into leftist-foot-soldier-creating propaganda mills. It required decades of immigration by people who hail from socialist nations and who are socialist-minded. It was a process of “demoralization”— which refers to the gradual undermining of a people’s morals — which ex-KGB Soviet defector Yuri Bezmenov said in the 1980s was “more than complete.” Where, my temperate-minded friends, do you think it stands today?
It stands at a precipice — as do we. This, again, is what few dare contemplate. We won’t solve the problem of our civilization-rending, and ending, cultural malaise with elections when the largest constituency is now Men of Intemperate Minds. Like the Arab Spring, all we will do is forge our fetters with the mechanism of democracy.
http://www.thenewamerican.com/reviews/opinion...
Romney is going down like a clown.

Cleavon Little

Since: Sep 12

Hilliard, OH

#4 Oct 2, 2012
Big Johnson wrote:
<quoted text>
Romney is going down like a clown.
Not according to Nate Silver.
People like you are part of the "intemperate" group the author describes in his article.
Big Johnson

Mcdonough, GA

#5 Oct 2, 2012
Big Johnson wrote:
<quoted text>
Romney is going down like a clown.
I'm going down like a clown on the Kenyan.
Romney Rooter

Salyersville, KY

#6 Oct 3, 2012
Mr. Cleavon Little's insight on the "tipping point" for our country is, I think, quite correct, and his additional thoughts about the decay of our culture is also, in my opinion, quite correct. I also think that our country continues its slide into the abyss if Obama is re-elected. On the other hand, I have a hard time seeing how the good guys can ever win any national election. Obama will get 96+% of black vote, 99.3% of Homosexual vote; 98.9% of deadbeat vote; 99.9% of criminal vote and 44.6% of all white vote. I have Dem friends who, if Jesus was running against Hitler, would only want to know one thing: WHICH ONE IS THE DEMOCRAT?
Romney Rooter

Salyersville, KY

#7 Oct 3, 2012
The main speaker at the Dem Convention last month was a DISBARRED LAWYER. Bill Clinton was disbarred for LYING UNDER OATH. So, Obama put front and center a CONVICTED LIAR to appeal to voters. My thought is this: HAVING BEEN CONVICTED FOR LYING, HOW CAN ANYONE BELIEVE ANYTHING HE SAYS?
Romney Rooter

Salyersville, KY

#9 Oct 3, 2012
Liberals cover up Big Time for Clinton and that includes Hillary. Example? How about this: Monica Lewinsky was a 21 year old INTERN from a California Democrat family when she engaged in a sex act with BILL CLINTON in the Oral, er, I mean, Oval Office. After the POTUS' conduct was revealed, what did the National Organization for Women (NOW) do? They did a lot, if defending POTUS by saying that, since Monica was over 18 she could CONSENT and since she could consent WHAT IS THE BIG DEAL? But, consider this hypothetical: INSTEAD OF MONICA/BILL ORAL SEX, IT WAS CHELSIA AND THE PRESIDENT OF HER COLLEGE. NOW AND OTHER LEFT WINGERS WOULD HAVE WANTED THAT PRESIDENT--WHAT?--KILLED, OR AT THE VERY LEAST CASTRATED.

Since: Jan 12

Columbus, OH

#10 Oct 3, 2012
Romney Rooter wrote:
Mr. Cleavon Little's insight on the "tipping point" for our country is, I think, quite correct, and his additional thoughts about the decay of our culture is also, in my opinion, quite correct. I also think that our country continues its slide into the abyss if Obama is re-elected. On the other hand, I have a hard time seeing how the good guys can ever win any national election. Obama will get 96+% of black vote, 99.3% of Homosexual vote; 98.9% of deadbeat vote; 99.9% of criminal vote and 44.6% of all white vote. I have Dem friends who, if Jesus was running against Hitler, would only want to know one thing: WHICH ONE IS THE DEMOCRAT?
Who do most whites vote for every four years? I'll give you a hint....WHITE MEN! We've been voting for white men who are rich, involved in 'secret societies', masons, Illuminati, Bohemian grove, skull n bones, and all we have to show is a giant sucking sound what used to be the middle class. We're sick and tired of the rigged game that's constantly being played. Ross Perot told U.S. that letting the wealthy forge trade deals with China will kill this nation, but you leeches don't care as long as you make a profit. Hell no, we don't want Romney to allow the marrow sucked out as well. The blood is all but drained out already.

Cleavon Little

Since: Sep 12

Hilliard, OH

#12 Oct 3, 2012
WISE AMERICAN wrote:
<quoted text>Who do most whites vote for every four years? I'll give you a hint....WHITE MEN! We've been voting for white men who are rich, involved in 'secret societies', masons, Illuminati, Bohemian grove, skull n bones, and all we have to show is a giant sucking sound what used to be the middle class. We're sick and tired of the rigged game that's constantly being played. Ross Perot told U.S. that letting the wealthy forge trade deals with China will kill this nation, but you leeches don't care as long as you make a profit. Hell no, we don't want Romney to allow the marrow sucked out as well. The blood is all but drained out already.
Stupid whites put your boy's ass in the White House, Tyrone.

Since: Jan 12

Columbus, OH

#13 Oct 3, 2012
Romney Rooter wrote:
The main speaker at the Dem Convention last month was a DISBARRED LAWYER. Bill Clinton was disbarred for LYING UNDER OATH. So, Obama put front and center a CONVICTED LIAR to appeal to voters. My thought is this: HAVING BEEN CONVICTED FOR LYING, HOW CAN ANYONE BELIEVE ANYTHING HE SAYS?
Go somewhere will you! Who gives a shit! EVERYONE on this planet has fallen short from the glory of God! Are you that crazy to think we're that stupid, to believe that politicians tell the truth 100% of the time! That they never lie, even under oath! They never twist the facts, willfully mislead, and bait n switch... which in the eyes of God is a lie. We're not children, and lying is innately present in all humans! Test my theory and ask a 18 month old kid, after smelling a foul odor, "did you boo boo?" That small child will look down at the floor and say," No!" Doesn't know the meaning of the term, lie! Whatever happened to pay your dues, leave the past behind, and move forward?? And you wonder why so many ex-cons can't get jobs! SOB's like you want to keep them imprisoned for life, though they're free. Now go say three hail Mary's and repent, you SOB!

Since: Jan 12

Columbus, OH

#14 Oct 3, 2012
Cleavon Little wrote:
<quoted text>Stupid whites put your boy's ass in the White House, Tyrone.
Not whites like you, Bunker!

Cleavon Little

Since: Sep 12

Hilliard, OH

#15 Oct 3, 2012
WISE AMERICAN wrote:
<quoted text>Not whites like you, Bunker!
Correct. As I said, the stupid ones did.

“Hi-Yo Silver! Away!”

Since: Aug 12

Location hidden

#16 Oct 3, 2012
Same old tired boring conservative mantra:

1) The country's going to hell
2) We're better than you
3) The past was better.

Yawn. No sale.
Tim

Akron, OH

#17 Oct 3, 2012
Kemosahbe wrote:
Same old tired boring conservative mantra:
1) The country's going to hell
2) We're better than you
3) The past was better.
Yawn. No sale.
1. With the ever increasing debt and deficit, yes
-Not to mention Medicare broke in 2018 and SocSec in 2033
2. Not true, the average liberal is wealthier
3. Yes the past was better because unemployment wasn't stuck above 8

Cleavon Little

Since: Sep 12

Hilliard, OH

#18 Oct 3, 2012
Kemosahbe wrote:
Same old tired boring conservative mantra:
1) The country's going to hell
2) We're better than you
3) The past was better.
Yawn. No sale.
1. True
2. True
3. True
As for your last sentence:
http://ts2.mm.bing.net/images/thumbnail.aspx...

“Meh.”

Since: Aug 10

Location hidden

#20 Oct 3, 2012
I think this might ring wonderfully true. Failing to stick to the economy and addressing social issues doesn't appear to have worked incredibly well, given that the social issues being discussed aren't issues that a growing number of mainstream Americans are willing to identify with and embrace. The culture, as a whole, may well have moved on, as the OP suggests.

Cleavon Little

Since: Sep 12

Hilliard, OH

#21 Oct 3, 2012
tranpsosition wrote:
I think this might ring wonderfully true. Failing to stick to the economy and addressing social issues doesn't appear to have worked incredibly well, given that the social issues being discussed aren't issues that a growing number of mainstream Americans are willing to identify with and embrace. The culture, as a whole, may well have moved on, as the OP suggests.
If so, it has moved on to self destruction.
Tim

Akron, OH

#22 Oct 3, 2012
Cleavon Little wrote:
<quoted text>If so, it has moved on to self destruction.
Just hope there is no collateral damage.

Fall of Rome?

Yes we can!

Cleavon Little

Since: Sep 12

Hilliard, OH

#23 Oct 3, 2012
Tim wrote:
<quoted text>
Just hope there is no collateral damage.
Fall of Rome?
Yes we can!
It took the Roman Empire approximately 240 years to fall (AD 235-AD 476.) In the United States, we are at roughly year 99 (1913-) with major events accelerating the decline occurring in 1933, 1937, 1965, 1974, 1977, 1992, 2006 and 2008-present.
We will not last another 140 years. In fact, 40 more years is unsustainable at this point.

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