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Oregon won't be a pushover | BuckeyeXtra

There are 423 comments on the Columbus Dispatch story from Dec 7, 2009, titled Oregon won't be a pushover | BuckeyeXtra. In it, Columbus Dispatch reports that:

"Everybody says coach Tressel can't win the big game, so we're going to go out there and win the big game and prove everybody wrong." - Ohio State receiver Ray Small More football Ohio State has been battered and bruised on the big stage in recent years, losing marquee games and national respect with numbing regularity.

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Bill R

Yacolt, WA

#413 Dec 18, 2009
BigDan wrote:
<quoted text>
You're an Oregon fan, so I won't put you down. I am sure just being a fan of Oregon is embarrassing enough.
BigDan - Isn't it kind of sad that Ohio State looks to
the approval or endorsement of a bunch of pinheads like
the BCS or any assemblage of "experts" to validate a
football program. What I find curious and even saldy
entertaining is that Ohio State takes itself so
seriously, believing the hype created for them by
shills of their own making ... and needing it so badly.

The Ducks learned back in 2001 that the game will never
allow teams like the Ducks or a dozen other similar to
them to gain the upper hand. It is all about myth and
market, whether you are talking about the mystique of
a Woody Hayes legacy ... which is of no consequence to
players or real fans of the game ... or the media's
salivating shamelessly when a "local" team gains
favor.

Duck fans don't care. We've been a laughingstock,
but that ended more than 2 decades ago, but we still
enjoy the offense taken when a Ohio State or U.S.C.
wakes up on a Sunday morning realizing they've been
had by a team with a Disney character as its logo.
We laugh at ourselves but enjoy ourselves even more
because we are not guilty of the most blatant feat
of arrogance in sport ... the idea that we are
entitled to something just because we are.

That is a problem that belongs to the Ohio States,
the U.S.C.s, and the Notre Dames. Sad thing ...
you can't express surprise or delight because you
claim domination or victory is your birthright.
And that's why, in the end, we are more endearing
than the factories found in Columbus or Los
Angeles, or anywhere else.

If we were to lose the sun will still come up. If
Ohio State loses the football gods have betrayed
you.

“SEC = Bandwagon”

Since: Dec 06

Cleveland, Ms,

#415 Dec 18, 2009
philtheduck wrote:
<quoted text>
The fact is - ND football has been a joke for over 15yrs and they don't have the guts to play the Ducks.
And we are still more important than Oregon. We get more coverage for a 6-6 season than Oregon does for winning the PAC-10. There is a reason for that, Oregon isn't a real program, more of a novelty. You know like a comic book with the goofy uniforms and avg play. Have a nice day and try again.

“SEC = Bandwagon”

Since: Dec 06

Cleveland, Ms,

#416 Dec 18, 2009
Bill R wrote:
<quoted text>
BigDan - Isn't it kind of sad that Ohio State looks to
the approval or endorsement of a bunch of pinheads like
the BCS or any assemblage of "experts" to validate a
football program. What I find curious and even saldy
entertaining is that Ohio State takes itself so
seriously, believing the hype created for them by
shills of their own making ... and needing it so badly.
The Ducks learned back in 2001 that the game will never
allow teams like the Ducks or a dozen other similar to
them to gain the upper hand. It is all about myth and
market, whether you are talking about the mystique of
a Woody Hayes legacy ... which is of no consequence to
players or real fans of the game ... or the media's
salivating shamelessly when a "local" team gains
favor.
Duck fans don't care. We've been a laughingstock,
but that ended more than 2 decades ago, but we still
enjoy the offense taken when a Ohio State or U.S.C.
wakes up on a Sunday morning realizing they've been
had by a team with a Disney character as its logo.
We laugh at ourselves but enjoy ourselves even more
because we are not guilty of the most blatant feat
of arrogance in sport ... the idea that we are
entitled to something just because we are.
That is a problem that belongs to the Ohio States,
the U.S.C.s, and the Notre Dames. Sad thing ...
you can't express surprise or delight because you
claim domination or victory is your birthright.
And that's why, in the end, we are more endearing
than the factories found in Columbus or Los
Angeles, or anywhere else.
If we were to lose the sun will still come up. If
Ohio State loses the football gods have betrayed
you.
good post
Bill R

Yacolt, WA

#417 Dec 18, 2009
BigDan wrote:
<quoted text>
And we are still more important than Oregon. We get more coverage for a 6-6 season than Oregon does for winning the PAC-10. There is a reason for that, Oregon isn't a real program, more of a novelty. You know like a comic book with the goofy uniforms and avg play. Have a nice day and try again.
Not a real program?

Then why did Notre Dame and Ohio State both talk to Mike
Bellotti when they were looking for a new head coach? Mike
listened to both and elected to stay at Oregon.

I'd suggest you take a serious look at the athletic
facilities at Oregon, as they are regarded as the best
in the PAC-10. Approximately one NCAA school per week
visits the UO to tour the facilities as they consider
improvements or expansion to their own facilities.

Incidentally, if a player is seriously injured in a game
at Autzen Stadium he can get an MRI within 2 minutes of
leaving the field. They have 2 available and replace
them with new ones every 12-18 months, selling the used
units to other schools.

Continuing later ....

Bill R

Yacolt, WA

#418 Dec 18, 2009
BigDan wrote:
<quoted text>
good post
Thanks.

There are some things about athletic programs at both
the University of Oregon and Oregon State which are
quite unique for public or state institutions. Under-
standing one of them explains the passion and sense
of ownership that comes with being a fan of its
athletic programs; not just football, but other sports
as well. Its place as the heart of track and field
in the United States is a given as well.

The uniqueness comes from the fact that under state
law the athletic programs of must be self-supporting.
The state does not, cannot underwrite the cost of
developing an athletic program worthy of national
attention. They are their own profit/loss centers.

Years ago, when Oregon was even considering with-
drawing from the PAC-10 because of years and years
of embarrassment, concerned fans literally began
having neighborhood meetings at which the hat was
passed to fund the program ... cover the costs and
debts. Many of us were able to kick in just a
$20 or $50, but when multiplied by dozens or even
hundreds of neighborhood meetings, they had their
effect.

It was only after it became clear that there were
literally thousands of us out there kicking into
the pot besides buying season tickets that others
became convinced that we had something worth the
effort. Key donors emerged and, although Phil Knight
is typically the one mentioned, more than a few
others came forward with serious money. We discovered
that even players who moved on to the NFL did not
forget that closeness between the athlete and the
Oregon fan that existed. I am personally aware of
one NFL player who donated $20 million to the
athletic program .... ANONYMOUSLY.

So yeah, we love our Ducks. They are our kids ...
usually the "leftovers" after USC and all the other
well endowed and well financed schools have picked
over the coveted high school players ESPN has
judged to have star characteristics. But I can
tell you that, after 25 years, there is scarcely
any difference between the ESPN high school four
star recruit and the intelligent, committed, and
appreciative second tier high school recruit.
Ask Masoli. He was overlooked by everyone and
was discovered playing at quarterback at a junior
college. He was not the first nor will he be the
last.

They are more like us than the conceited, pampered
stuff that regard themselves as God's gift to the
sport. We've had a few of those and virtually none
have ever lived up to their billing.

“GO DUCKS!”

Since: Aug 07

Portland, Oregon

#419 Dec 19, 2009
BigDan wrote:
<quoted text>
And we are still more important than Oregon. We get more coverage for a 6-6 season than Oregon does for winning the PAC-10. There is a reason for that, Oregon isn't a real program, more of a novelty. You know like a comic book with the goofy uniforms and avg play. Have a nice day and try again.
Notre Dame get's more negative press coverage than anything & The Autzen Stadium experience is far superior than what they offer in South Bend.

This is 2009 not the 80's!

Keep living in the past Notre Dame fan.
Bill R

Yacolt, WA

#420 Dec 19, 2009
Bill R wrote:
<quoted text>
Thanks.
There are some things about athletic programs at both
the University of Oregon and Oregon State which are
quite unique for public or state institutions. Under-
standing one of them explains the passion and sense
of ownership that comes with being a fan of its
athletic programs; not just football, but other sports
as well. Its place as the heart of track and field
in the United States is a given as well.
The uniqueness comes from the fact that under state
law the athletic programs of must be self-supporting.
The state does not, cannot underwrite the cost of
developing an athletic program worthy of national
attention. They are their own profit/loss centers.
Years ago, when Oregon was even considering with-
drawing from the PAC-10 because of years and years
of embarrassment, concerned fans literally began
having neighborhood meetings at which the hat was
passed to fund the program ... cover the costs and
debts. Many of us were able to kick in just a
$20 or $50, but when multiplied by dozens or even
hundreds of neighborhood meetings, they had their
effect.
It was only after it became clear that there were
literally thousands of us out there kicking into
the pot besides buying season tickets that others
became convinced that we had something worth the
effort. Key donors emerged and, although Phil Knight
is typically the one mentioned, more than a few
others came forward with serious money. We discovered
that even players who moved on to the NFL did not
forget that closeness between the athlete and the
Oregon fan that existed. I am personally aware of
one NFL player who donated $20 million to the
athletic program .... ANONYMOUSLY.
So yeah, we love our Ducks. They are our kids ...
usually the "leftovers" after USC and all the other
well endowed and well financed schools have picked
over the coveted high school players ESPN has
judged to have star characteristics. But I can
tell you that, after 25 years, there is scarcely
any difference between the ESPN high school four
star recruit and the intelligent, committed, and
appreciative second tier high school recruit.
Ask Masoli. He was overlooked by everyone and
was discovered playing at quarterback at a junior
college. He was not the first nor will he be the
last.
They are more like us than the conceited, pampered
stuff that regard themselves as God's gift to the
sport. We've had a few of those and virtually none
have ever lived up to their billing.
Correction here: The donation by an NFL player was $12
million, not $20 million as I mistakenly stated in the
previous post. The key point: it was anonymous.
Dead Parrot

Dublin, OH

#421 Dec 19, 2009
of course they won't be a pushover....they are playing the Buckeyes in a bowl game
Bill R

Yacolt, WA

#422 Dec 19, 2009
philtheduck wrote:
<quoted text>
Notre Dame get's more negative press coverage than anything & The Autzen Stadium experience is far superior than what they offer in South Bend.
This is 2009 not the 80's!
Keep living in the past Notre Dame fan.
There are still football fans out there who regard
Notre Dame as the heart of American Catholicism and
believe that they lure coaches and athletes for that
reason, but those days are a part of our past, not
the future. Most do not accept the idea that Notre
Dame deserves any more consideration in the BCS than
any other school. The deepest deep of Notre Dame
fans believe privilege is their birthright.

Forgetting history and tradition, what on earth does
Notre Dame bring to the table? What have they accomplished
during the past 15 years that a dozen or more schools
haven't also accomplished with greater ease and more
regularity?

That huge network contract doesn't amount to a hill of
beans if only the devoted, ever faithful Irish fan who
care actually watch on Saturdays when there is at
least one, often 2 or even 3, games of greater interest.

Do you honestly think that the network isn't going to
demand concessions after so many years of Notre Dame
providing an inferior product in a time when being
Catholic matters less and less.?

“GO DUCKS!”

Since: Aug 07

Portland, Oregon

#423 Dec 19, 2009
Bill R wrote:
<quoted text>
There are still football fans out there who regard
Notre Dame as the heart of American Catholicism and
believe that they lure coaches and athletes for that
reason, but those days are a part of our past, not
the future. Most do not accept the idea that Notre
Dame deserves any more consideration in the BCS than
any other school. The deepest deep of Notre Dame
fans believe privilege is their birthright.
Forgetting history and tradition, what on earth does
Notre Dame bring to the table? What have they accomplished
during the past 15 years that a dozen or more schools
haven't also accomplished with greater ease and more
regularity?
That huge network contract doesn't amount to a hill of
beans if only the devoted, ever faithful Irish fan who
care actually watch on Saturdays when there is at
least one, often 2 or even 3, games of greater interest.
Do you honestly think that the network isn't going to
demand concessions after so many years of Notre Dame
providing an inferior product in a time when being
Catholic matters less and less.?
They probably can't wait for the contract to expire.
Notre Dame fans are upset & who can blame them - they are no longer brought up unless Lou Holtz opens his mouth.
The truth is Oregon & Oregon State are both offering a better product on the field & both play a tougher schedule. It's the reason why ESPN can't get enough and wants more from the Ducks & Beavers. Only dilusional college football fans tune into watch the entire game when Notre Dame is playing.
WHF Go Bucks

Lake Panasoffkee, FL

#424 Dec 20, 2009
The speed thing is a big farce. Does any one know if they keep stats on teams players and there 40 speed. If I could get those stats and put them on a spread sheet I think many would be surprised. Purdue was a good thing, it turned the team around.
Bill R

Yacolt, WA

#425 Dec 20, 2009
WHF Go Bucks wrote:
The speed thing is a big farce. Does any one know if they keep stats on teams players and there 40 speed. If I could get those stats and put them on a spread sheet I think many would be surprised. Purdue was a good thing, it turned the team around.
I agree. Some of the best receivers never had great
speed. They had discipline and intelligence.

Right along with that I'd claim that size is overrated.
Reese

Atlanta, GA

#426 Dec 22, 2009
Bill R wrote:
<quoted text>
One of the funniest ploys is the one where Ohio State fans
actually try to convince us that U.S.C. won the game but never
recovered from the physical beating they took. Get serious.
It is genuinely sad when you try to make a loss into a win
with that "you oughta see the other guy" trash talk. Ohio
State lost and would lose again, mostly because their coach
hasn't had a new idea in a decade and has gotten away with
it because he coaches in the Big Ten.
All of this sounds familiar .... like the pre-game puffery
from Oklahoma State before last year's bowl game. But I've
seen both OSUs (Ohio State & Oklahoma State last year) and
Oklahoma State was faster. But more than that, it isn't about
raw speed, though Oregon fares well in that regard. Its
about the pace of the game that will have Ohio State sucking
wind halfway thru the 3rd quarter. Pace and speed are not
the same, but you'll find that out.
Keep trying to convince yourself that Ohio St is slow and will not keep "pace". We have seen the same "hurry up" change of pace offense before. It is nothing new. I will be visiting the Oregon fan websites after the Buckeyes win the game; and I have a feeling that fans will be calling for Chip Kelley's resignation after his first year because Oregon fans no very little about college football and they honestly think that they have enough talent to hang with the traditional powerhouses in college football.
Reese

Atlanta, GA

#427 Dec 22, 2009
Oregon fans sure do type a lot....Why do they ramble on, and on, and on?

“DEC 7 1941”

Since: Dec 06

AWAYS A BUCKEYE!!!

#428 Dec 22, 2009
BUCKEYE AND NOLE wrote:
<quoted text>
Hey True. I can't wait to see our Buckeyes take on the Ducks. Hope all is well with you. Today I celebrated my 28th birthday I'm glad to make it this far.
Happy Birthday my friend!!!! I was 28 once upon a time.....26 years ago!!!:) Again, my Buckeye brother, Happy Birthday & GOOOOOOOOOOOOO BBBBUUCCKSS!!!
Mark the Duck

Bellevue, WA

#429 Dec 22, 2009
I like our chances, OSU are slow compared to PAC 10 teams, and James, Blount and Masoli give defenses fits. Should be a good game though, hope both are fired up and ready for the challenge... Oregon have a tendency to lose focus (see Stanford this year) whenever they are confident so hope that doesn't happen...

GO DUCKS!

“GO DUCKS!”

Since: Aug 07

Portland, Oregon

#430 Dec 22, 2009
Mark the Duck wrote:
I like our chances, OSU are slow compared to PAC 10 teams, and James, Blount and Masoli give defenses fits. Should be a good game though, hope both are fired up and ready for the challenge... Oregon have a tendency to lose focus (see Stanford this year) whenever they are confident so hope that doesn't happen...
GO DUCKS!
Stanford was coming off a bye week, playing at home and Toby Gearhart & their QB had the game of their lives. The loss in Palo Alto had very little to do with players losing focus.

“GO DUCKS!”

Since: Aug 07

Portland, Oregon

#431 Dec 22, 2009
Reese wrote:
<quoted text>
Keep trying to convince yourself that Ohio St is slow and will not keep "pace". We have seen the same "hurry up" change of pace offense before. It is nothing new. I will be visiting the Oregon fan websites after the Buckeyes win the game; and I have a feeling that fans will be calling for Chip Kelley's resignation after his first year because Oregon fans no very little about college football and they honestly think that they have enough talent to hang with the traditional powerhouses in college football.
Actually Oregon fans "know" a lot about college football. Chip Kelly & his assistant coaches do a great job of recruiting top talent to not only compete with TP but beat them too.
The facilities @ Oregon are top 5 in the country and the Autzen stadium experience is one of ESPN GameDay's favorite football venues in the country. Kids see that & want to be part of it on saturdays in Eugene after they visit campus and the facilities.
Ohio State has a solid defense but the Quack Attack offense led by Masoli & LaMichael James is misdirection the Buckeyes haven't experienced yet no matter who's trying to copy it. The game will be about turnovers and time of possesion in the 2nd half.
In the end Ducks Win
Reese

Atlanta, GA

#432 Dec 23, 2009
philtheduck wrote:
<quoted text>
Actually Oregon fans "know" a lot about college football. Chip Kelly & his assistant coaches do a great job of recruiting top talent to not only compete with TP but beat them too.
The facilities @ Oregon are top 5 in the country and the Autzen stadium experience is one of ESPN GameDay's favorite football venues in the country. Kids see that & want to be part of it on saturdays in Eugene after they visit campus and the facilities.
Ohio State has a solid defense but the Quack Attack offense led by Masoli & LaMichael James is misdirection the Buckeyes haven't experienced yet no matter who's trying to copy it. The game will be about turnovers and time of possesion in the 2nd half.
In the end Ducks Win
Sorry, I am not conviced that Oregon, or it's fans, know football. You can tell Oregon fans know very little by the way they post their comments. Now I will give Oregon credit, you guys know your lumber industry. ESPN likes the Eugene venue because they get free stuff from Nike. The Big House, The Shoe, and Beaver Stadium used to be ESPN's favorite venues until the Big Ten network came to realization. Now ESPN slams the Big Ten every chance they can get....It is all about the $$$$. Oregon St didnt look very good against BYU last night. Let's see how Cal does against Utah. Not sure the Pac is all it is cracked up to be....

“DEC 7 1941”

Since: Dec 06

AWAYS A BUCKEYE!!!

#433 Dec 23, 2009
Bill R wrote:
<quoted text>
BigDan - Isn't it kind of sad that Ohio State looks to
the approval or endorsement of a bunch of pinheads like
the BCS or any assemblage of "experts" to validate a
football program. What I find curious and even saldy
entertaining is that Ohio State takes itself so
seriously, believing the hype created for them by
shills of their own making ... and needing it so badly.
The Ducks learned back in 2001 that the game will never
allow teams like the Ducks or a dozen other similar to
them to gain the upper hand. It is all about myth and
market, whether you are talking about the mystique of
a Woody Hayes legacy ... which is of no consequence to
players or real fans of the game ... or the media's
salivating shamelessly when a "local" team gains
favor.
Duck fans don't care. We've been a laughingstock,
but that ended more than 2 decades ago, but we still
enjoy the offense taken when a Ohio State or U.S.C.
wakes up on a Sunday morning realizing they've been
had by a team with a Disney character as its logo.
We laugh at ourselves but enjoy ourselves even more
because we are not guilty of the most blatant feat
of arrogance in sport ... the idea that we are
entitled to something just because we are.
That is a problem that belongs to the Ohio States,
the U.S.C.s, and the Notre Dames. Sad thing ...
you can't express surprise or delight because you
claim domination or victory is your birthright.
And that's why, in the end, we are more endearing
than the factories found in Columbus or Los
Angeles, or anywhere else.
If we were to lose the sun will still come up. If
Ohio State loses the football gods have betrayed
you.
It's all about who travels well and who will draw the most $$$$$$$...the media gets what the media marketers tell them, so someone can make $$$$$....that goes for recruiting as well....yes, in my opinion, everything that is entertainment sucks, everything. Back in the day as far as college goes, guys would get their degrees and maybe go pro. Now, for basketball, 1 year...gone, Football, 2 years....gone...coaches gone after they told parents and the kids that they would be there for their sons...so, even though you are dogging out my Bucks, look at the bigger picture.....no one cares about what you and I think, they do however care about you and me when it comes to us spending our $$$$$$

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