Zimmerman setup on Hannity

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Since: Oct 11

Columbus, OH

#1 Jul 18, 2012
This so-called interview is nothing more than Hannity setting Zimmerman up with leading questions....Hannity is supposed to be getting answers, not giving the answers to him...

Since: Oct 11

Columbus, OH

#2 Jul 18, 2012
Hannity: "Do you regret getting out of the car that night?" Zimmerman:"No sir...I feel it was all God's plan."

God's plan !?!!?? What in the world would religion have to play out in this scenario??? This dude is twisted and I hope this interview is used by the Special Prosecutor for it's inconsistencies. I can't believe his lawyer let him do this .....

Since: Apr 12

Hilliard, OH

#3 Jul 18, 2012
Progressive Ohioan wrote:
This so-called interview is nothing more than Hannity setting Zimmerman up with leading questions....Hannity is supposed to be getting answers, not giving the answers to him...
So Zimmerman will get the same treatment Obama gets from every MSM reporter, every day.
And your point is?

Since: Oct 11

Columbus, OH

#4 Jul 18, 2012
Not even close and stay on topic. I'm discussing Zimmerman on Hannity and with your (once again) deflective answer you know that what I'm saying has some truth to it .....

Since: Apr 12

Hilliard, OH

#6 Jul 18, 2012
Progressive Ohioan wrote:
Not even close and stay on topic. I'm discussing Zimmerman on Hannity and with your (once again) deflective answer you know that what I'm saying has some truth to it .....
I am on topic. Zimmerman and Obama are both possible felons, and the media is lobbing softballs at them, including covering for their slip-ups ("My Muslim faith," as a certain somebody said to George Stephanopoulous...)

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#7 Jul 18, 2012
Progressive Ohioan wrote:
This so-called interview is nothing more than Hannity setting Zimmerman up with leading questions....Hannity is supposed to be getting answers, not giving the answers to him...
If there was any danger of Hannity getting answers O'Mara would never have allowed it. Apparently he thought it would beef up the flow of donations.

Hannity pretty much read back the story as Zimmerman gave it to the police while Z. displayed his excellent good manners by saying "yes sir" to everything.

Interesting that this happened just after the release of the jail phone calls where George talked about Hannity hounding him with an offer to pay for his legal expenses if he would go with Casey Anthony's lawyer. Hannity, of course, denies this.
Walt

Aberdeen, OH

#8 Jul 18, 2012
Progressive Ohioan wrote:
Hannity: "Do you regret getting out of the car that night?" Zimmerman:"No sir...I feel it was all God's plan."
God's plan !?!!?? What in the world would religion have to play out in this scenario??? This dude is twisted and I hope this interview is used by the Special Prosecutor for it's inconsistencies. I can't believe his lawyer let him do this .....
Maybe Zimmerman believes it's God's plan for him to spend life in prison...

Where he belongs, for certain...

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#9 Jul 19, 2012
Walt wrote:
<quoted text>Maybe Zimmerman believes it's God's plan for him to spend life in prison...
Where he belongs, for certain...
Maybe.

One might also look at that response and see a certain lack of remorse.

“Ignorance is bliss.”

Since: May 11

Rolling Meadows, IL

#11 Jul 19, 2012
Walt wrote:
<quoted text>Maybe Zimmerman believes it's God's plan for him to spend life in prison...
Where he belongs, for certain...
We can only hope...

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Since: May 11

Rolling Meadows, IL

#12 Jul 19, 2012
Chuck N Spears wrote:
God's plan was for Trayvon to study hard, get good grades, stay off of drugs, go to college, become an American success story with a good job and manners to match. Looks like Trayvon's choices messed up the plan.
Nobody told Zimmerman to follow him. In fact, he was told NOT to follow him. That man was out looking for trouble and it found him. He probably didn't think it would land him in jail. The only thing he regrets is getting caught.
Walt

Brunswick, OH

#13 Jul 19, 2012
Chuck N Spears wrote:
God's plan was for Trayvon to study hard, get good grades, stay off of drugs, go to college, become an American success story with a good job and manners to match. Looks like Trayvon's choices messed up the plan.
Really?? So that makes it OK to be MURDERED????

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#14 Jul 19, 2012
Chuck N Spears wrote:
God's plan was for Trayvon to study hard, get good grades, stay off of drugs, go to college, become an American success story with a good job and manners to match. Looks like Trayvon's choices messed up the plan.
Yeah, maybe.

I think you are reading a lot of yourself into God, which is always a bad idea.

I suppose one might argue that had Trayvon not been suspended and sent to stay with his father (btw--both his parents seem to have good jobs, good manners and be living the American dream), he wouldn't have been there for George to shoot. But, this scarcely seems more significant in the scheme of things than to say that had he not gone to the 7-11 he would not have been there for George to shoot.

But--you are overlooking George's choices. George bought a gun for himself and another for his wife. George overgeneralized what he knew about some folks who had broken into houses and applied that overgeneralization to Trayvon. George chose not to do any of the things that might have defused the situation (identifying himself, speaking to Trayvon when he passed the vehicle, NOT following Trayvon--first in the vehicle and then on foot.

And, he bought another weapon following the incident when he chose to leave the area to stay alone in a hotel room--even though he apparently had the protection of a former Sheriff's Dept employee available.

Hard to guess what he was like before this all happened (although he wasn't always nicey-nice with folks who are different), but he was clearly veering off into paranoia and hypervigilance. Not the sort of person you really want to have walking around the neighborhood with a gun.
Conservative

Cincinnati, OH

#15 Jul 19, 2012
Mpnf1979 wrote:
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Nobody told Zimmerman to follow him. In fact, he was told NOT to follow him. That man was out looking for trouble and it found him. He probably didn't think it would land him in jail. The only thing he regrets is getting caught.
Your last two posts reveal your journalistic bias and they wonder why those in journalism are regarded so little.

Without evidence you have decided that since he was given the suggestion, "You don't need to do that and he said, O.K." that he did it any way. No evidence he did. You completely throw out the possibility that Martin did confront him.

A person looking for trouble usually doesn't call the police first to inform them.

I, for one, am glad you aren't writing the story, but of course you could set your bias aside.

“Ignorance is bliss.”

Since: May 11

Rolling Meadows, IL

#16 Jul 19, 2012
Conservative wrote:
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Your last two posts reveal your journalistic bias and they wonder why those in journalism are regarded so little.
Without evidence you have decided that since he was given the suggestion, "You don't need to do that and he said, O.K." that he did it any way. No evidence he did. You completely throw out the possibility that Martin did confront him.
A person looking for trouble usually doesn't call the police first to inform them.
I, for one, am glad you aren't writing the story, but of course you could set your bias aside.
Um, the evidence is in the call to the police department and the officer who told him to back off. You completely throw out the testimony of Martin's gf who was on the phone with him at the time. But I'm sure in YOUR bias you'll say her testimony is false and Zimmerman's is true, right?

I don't care if he called the police or not. He was looking for a cheap thrill - a chance to feel powerful - and found it in Trayvon Martin. Call it whatever you want. Bias, judgment. Whatever. But an unarmed kid is dead. The only reason he is dead is because Zimmerman left him home with a gun.

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#18 Jul 19, 2012
Conservative wrote:
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Your last two posts reveal your journalistic bias and they wonder why those in journalism are regarded so little.
Without evidence you have decided that since he was given the suggestion, "You don't need to do that and he said, O.K." that he did it any way. No evidence he did. You completely throw out the possibility that Martin did confront him.
A person looking for trouble usually doesn't call the police first to inform them.
I, for one, am glad you aren't writing the story, but of course you could set your bias aside.
What George was looking for was to capture a punk.

His perception that Trayvon was a punk was based completely on assumptions about his physical similarity to those that George either knew or believed to have broken into houses in the area. He alludes to this multiple times in all of his police calls, as well as during his statement to the police.

Further, he felt safe in not following not only the advice given to him by the dispatcher, but also the basic protocols of neighborhood watch as emphasized in training. This sense of safety came from his call to the police and knowing that they were on their way, but also the false courage of carrying a weapon.

In essence, he stalked a kid who bore only a superficial physical similarity to someone who had in the past broken into a house. That stalking behavior led to a confrontation and the man with the gun came out ahead.

Further, he emerged from the situation expecting to be viewed as a hero. When public opinion did not favor him, he blamed the evil press. He has cast himself as a victim and hypergeneralized from the threats of a few crazy people (real enough) to a deep paranoia that he and all members of his family are perpetually in a state of grave danger.

While he has mouthed words of empathy in the direction of Trayvon's parents that they have lost a son, he is utterly lacking in any sense of responsibility or remorse.
Conservative

Cincinnati, OH

#19 Jul 19, 2012
FKA Reader wrote:
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Yeah, maybe.
I think you are reading a lot of yourself into God, which is always a bad idea.
I suppose one might argue that had Trayvon not been suspended and sent to stay with his father (btw--both his parents seem to have good jobs, good manners and be living the American dream), he wouldn't have been there for George to shoot. But, this scarcely seems more significant in the scheme of things than to say that had he not gone to the 7-11 he would not have been there for George to shoot.
But--you are overlooking George's choices. George bought a gun for himself and another for his wife. George overgeneralized what he knew about some folks who had broken into houses and applied that overgeneralization to Trayvon. George chose not to do any of the things that might have defused the situation (identifying himself, speaking to Trayvon when he passed the vehicle, NOT following Trayvon--first in the vehicle and then on foot.
And, he bought another weapon following the incident when he chose to leave the area to stay alone in a hotel room--even though he apparently had the protection of a former Sheriff's Dept employee available.
Hard to guess what he was like before this all happened (although he wasn't always nicey-nice with folks who are different), but he was clearly veering off into paranoia and hypervigilance. Not the sort of person you really want to have walking around the neighborhood with a gun.
I am still amazed that you and others apply all fault to Zimmerman.

All the things you posted that Zimmerman could have, should have done to diffuse the situation could have easily been done by Martin as well.

If the break-ins in the neighborhood were largely committed by blacks his suspicions would not be over generalizations. They would be probability.

Numerous death threats and protests would prompt a prudent person not to rely on someone else as sole protector. You have to leave the room sooner or later, what if the person was shot by accident attempting to shoot Zimmerman?

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#21 Jul 19, 2012
Conservative wrote:
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I am still amazed that you and others apply all fault to Zimmerman.
All the things you posted that Zimmerman could have, should have done to diffuse the situation could have easily been done by Martin as well.
If the break-ins in the neighborhood were largely committed by blacks his suspicions would not be over generalizations. They would be probability.
Numerous death threats and protests would prompt a prudent person not to rely on someone else as sole protector. You have to leave the room sooner or later, what if the person was shot by accident attempting to shoot Zimmerman?
We generally expect more of a adults than minors. But, while George was stalking Trayvon, all Trayvon was doing was coming back from the store.

You need to go back and take some statistics and probability. Then you might realize that the number of break-ins in the neighborhood (and particularly those in which the identity of the perpetrator was known) was too small to make meaningful generalizations. Further you might realize that a high likelihood of a crime having been committed by a black person is not the same thing as the high likelihood that any given black person is a criminal.

In fact, given the neighborhood demographics, the likelihood that a young black person walking in the neighborhood actually lived there was probably substantially higher than the likelihood that such person was an outsider entering with criminal intent.

We don't actually know much about the "numerous" death threats and whether they amount to anything more than those that attached to any person with notoriety (in fact, one such threat that was tracked down was from someone who had previously been caught making threats in conjunction with the Jerry Sandusky case). And while a single person might not be sufficient protection--leaving that protection in favor of holing up alone in a hotel room with a gun would lead a prudent person to question Zimmerman's state of mind.

Face it, c. George messed up, and he messed up bad. He thought he was going after someone with a criminal history and intent. When a kid with no criminal history, plans for college (despite some scrapes at school), and a pretty solid family who was actually staying in the neighborhood is the one that he got, he was already in way too deep to get out.

George made a sad and sorry mistake. But it was a really big mistake and it had deadly consequences.

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#22 Jul 19, 2012
Chuck N Spears wrote:
<quoted text>Ash-Tray was shot for punching and bashing an adults head into the pavement who happened to be armed. Guess he wont make that mistake twice.
Had that adult not had the false courage of a gun holstered in his pants, he wouldn't likely have made the mistakes that he made.

But, punching and bashing (and the head injury is really more indicative of having hit a single time on the pavement--perhaps as George went down) are not actions that emerge from nowhere. To regard these as unprovoked aggression is a facile and unlikely explanation of what happened.

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#23 Jul 19, 2012
Enzyte Bob wrote:
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Don't tell that to the libs. One random act of violence by a white against a black holds more significance than the THOUSANDS of instances of black on white violence that have been documented.
Is it dyslexia? Self-hate? White guilt? In ability to organize thoughts and draw logical conclusions? Stupidity?
All of the above?
Go back and read what I wrote about statistics and probability.

“Ignorance is bliss.”

Since: May 11

Rolling Meadows, IL

#24 Jul 19, 2012
Enzyte Bob wrote:
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Don't tell that to the libs. One random act of violence by a white against a black holds more significance than the THOUSANDS of instances of black on white violence that have been documented.
Is it dyslexia? Self-hate? White guilt? In ability to organize thoughts and draw logical conclusions? Stupidity?
All of the above?
Except Zimmerman isn't white. I pose this question to you honestly: Do you think a black man who was suspicious of a white boy who looked the way Trayvon Martin did that night and confronted him and shot and killed him would be getting interviewed on Hannity's show?

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