Students ..... Vote Democrat

Students ..... Vote Democrat

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#1 Oct 8, 2012
In the Presidential debate against President Obama, Romney said this .....

"I don’t have any plan to cut education funding and grants that go to people going to college. I’m planning on continuing to grow, so I’m not planning on making changes there.”

But yet earlier this year he said he would either shrink the Department of Education or consolidate it with another agency.

He said he would eliminate the American Opportunity tax credit for college students.

“Pass the House Republican Budget proposal, rolling back President Obama’s government expansion by capping non-security discretionary spending below 2008 levels.”
-- Romney (Education is considered non-security discretionary spending. Rolling back non-security discretionary spending to the level of five years earlier would require significant cuts in education.)

“Unfortunately, like a man with a hammer that sees every problem as a nail, President Obama’s policy response to every education challenge has been more federal spending. Increased spending on our K-12 public schools has failed to produce results, and increased spending is already one of higher education’s greatest problems."
-- Romney, from his white paper.

“... as a result of the expanding entitlement mentality, the Pell Grant program — the foundation of the federal investment in student financial aid — is on unsure financial footing… A Romney Administration will refocus Pell Grant dollars on the students that need them most and place the program on a responsible long-term path that avoids future funding cliffs and last-minute funding patches.”
-- Mitt Romney

In the last quote, which students does he intend to cut from the Pell Grant program? Most Pell grants go to students with a family income of $30,000 or less, which isn't much. These are people for whom climbing up the ladder to higher income success is a struggle. The maximum annual grant amount of $5,550 isn't much either. Who is Romney going to cut?

Remember Romney mocking President Obama for wanting to hire more teachers?

While Romney was Governor of Massachusetts fees and tuition jumped 63 percent from 2003 to 2007 as Romney slashed state funding. The average student debt in Massachusetts jumped 25 percent while he was governor.

"They (students) get as much education as they can afford and with their time they’re able to get and if they have a willingness to work hard and the right values, they ought to be able to provide for their family and have a shot of realizing their dreams.”
-- Mitt Romney (June 27, 2012)

As much education as they can 'afford'? What the heck does 'afford' mean? Does the above quote mean low-income, poor kids, and middle-class children of parents who have a lot of bills do not get a chance at college? That college is only for people with a lot of money?

According to Romney, if you want an education you can always join the military. He also actually said this as part of a statement on students and higher education. And this statement is from someone that grew up rich, lived in a house rather than a dorm or shared apartment, and did not have to work because he was living off of stock returns while in school.

Students at voting age ..... vote Democrat.

Teachers ..... vote Democrat. Give your students a chance at receiving a higher education and breaking the chain which has held so many families back in rural areas and states.
Tim

Akron, OH

#2 Oct 8, 2012
Do you realize we are broke?

16T in debt and growing as we speak.

I cannot find the word education in the Constitution.

IT IS NOT A FEDERAL RESPONSIBILITY!

Perhaps the cost of higher education would not be so high if the federal government wasn't dripping subsidies for it that provides a minimum price floor for the universities?

Positive Rights do not exist, they are only created by theft.
Yes

Monroe, NC

#3 Oct 8, 2012
Yes vote for Socialism, vote Democrat, vote for Obama.

Since: Sep 09

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#4 Oct 8, 2012
I just noticed this in one of Romney's statements in my post regarding cutting students from Pell grants. I must be slipping, I don't know why I let it get pass me until now. Romney said .....

“...as a result of the expanding entitlement mentality, the Pell Grant program — the foundation of the federal investment in student financial aid — is on unsure financial footing."

"...as a result of the expanding entitlement mentality..."

There is that 47 percent thing again.

Why the heck should poor, low-income, and middle-class kids be in the same college classrooms with the kids of rich parents, right, Mitt? No one wants their college age children associating with or even seeing members of the lowly 47 percent of America's citizens, right?

Students, parents of students, relatives of students, teachers ..... vote Democrat.

Cleavon Little

Since: Sep 12

Hilliard, OH

#5 Oct 8, 2012
___Jenny___ wrote:
In the Presidential debate against President Obama, Romney said this .....
"I don’t have any plan to cut education funding and grants that go to people going to college. I’m planning on continuing to grow, so I’m not planning on making changes there.”
But yet earlier this year he said he would either shrink the Department of Education or consolidate it with another agency.
He said he would eliminate the American Opportunity tax credit for college students.
“Pass the House Republican Budget proposal, rolling back President Obama’s government expansion by capping non-security discretionary spending below 2008 levels.”
-- Romney (Education is considered non-security discretionary spending. Rolling back non-security discretionary spending to the level of five years earlier would require significant cuts in education.)
“Unfortunately, like a man with a hammer that sees every problem as a nail, President Obama’s policy response to every education challenge has been more federal spending. Increased spending on our K-12 public schools has failed to produce results, and increased spending is already one of higher education’s greatest problems."
-- Romney, from his white paper.
“... as a result of the expanding entitlement mentality, the Pell Grant program — the foundation of the federal investment in student financial aid — is on unsure financial footing… A Romney Administration will refocus Pell Grant dollars on the students that need them most and place the program on a responsible long-term path that avoids future funding cliffs and last-minute funding patches.”
-- Mitt Romney
In the last quote, which students does he intend to cut from the Pell Grant program? Most Pell grants go to students with a family income of $30,000 or less, which isn't much. These are people for whom climbing up the ladder to higher income success is a struggle. The maximum annual grant amount of $5,550 isn't much either. Who is Romney going to cut?
Remember Romney mocking President Obama for wanting to hire more teachers?
While Romney was Governor of Massachusetts fees and tuition jumped 63 percent from 2003 to 2007 as Romney slashed state funding. The average student debt in Massachusetts jumped 25 percent while he was governor.
"They (students) get as much education as they can afford and with their time they’re able to get and if they have a willingness to work hard and the right values, they ought to be able to provide for their family and have a shot of realizing their dreams.”
-- Mitt Romney (June 27, 2012)
As much education as they can 'afford'? What the heck does 'afford' mean? Does the above quote mean low-income, poor kids, and middle-class children of parents who have a lot of bills do not get a chance at college? That college is only for people with a lot of money?
According to Romney, if you want an education you can always join the military. He also actually said this as part of a statement on students and higher education. And this statement is from someone that grew up rich, lived in a house rather than a dorm or shared apartment, and did not have to work because he was living off of stock returns while in school.
Students at voting age ..... vote Democrat.
Teachers ..... vote Democrat. Give your students a chance at receiving a higher education and breaking the chain which has held so many families back in rural areas and states.
Your "dream" died in Denver five days ago.
Thank God.
Tim

Akron, OH

#6 Oct 8, 2012
___Jenny___ wrote:
“...as a result of the expanding entitlement mentality, the Pell Grant program — the foundation of the federal investment in student financial aid — is on unsure financial footing."
"...as a result of the expanding entitlement mentality..."
Do you not get WE ARE BROKE, EDUCATION IS NOT IN THE CONSTITUTION.

Price floors don't work, all they do is drive up costs (pell grants and federal student loans) or drive down supply (minimum wage)

Since: Sep 09

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#7 Oct 8, 2012
Tim wrote:
Do you realize we are broke?
16T in debt and growing as we speak.
I cannot find the word education in the Constitution.
IT IS NOT A FEDERAL RESPONSIBILITY!
Perhaps the cost of higher education would not be so high if the federal government wasn't dripping subsidies for it that provides a minimum price floor for the universities?
Positive Rights do not exist, they are only created by theft.
You may want to also look at how Romney lied in the Presidential debate about what he is going to do to education.

Understand? He lied.
imagine2011

Brentwood, TN

#9 Oct 8, 2012
___Jenny___ wrote:
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You may want to also look at how Romney lied in the Presidential debate about what he is going to do to education.
Understand? He lied.
Lol!

No he didn't lie, your just MSM brainwashed.

Education under Romney will be better in America than its been in 50 years. Watch and see.
Flip flopping Romney

Gray, KY

#10 Oct 8, 2012
Post 1 says Romney did lie. Those things are Romney's words from his own mouth and WERE SAID by him.
Tim

Akron, OH

#11 Oct 8, 2012
Flip flopping Romney wrote:
Post 1 says Romney did lie. Those things are Romney's words from his own mouth and WERE SAID by him.
The claimed lie is that Romney has said he will cut spending but then claimed in the debate he would not.

The OP says that Romney plans on abolishing the DoE and reducing a certain tax credit.

The claimed lie is that he will reduce Pell Grants, I find nothing in Post 1 saying he will.

That said, he should.

And according to liberals, removing a tax break is not a tax increase, unless a Republican does it.

Since: Sep 09

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#13 Oct 8, 2012
imagine2011 wrote:
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Lol!
No he didn't lie, your just MSM brainwashed.
Education under Romney will be better in America than its been in 50 years. Watch and see.
Under Romney college will be pretty much restricted to richer families. There will be far less of a chance for poor, lower-income, and middle-class kids to break away from being held back from a better future and career because of lack of money for a proper education.
Tim

Akron, OH

#14 Oct 8, 2012
___Jenny___ wrote:
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Under Romney college will be pretty much restricted to richer families. There will be far less of a chance for poor, lower-income, and middle-class kids to break away from being held back from a better future and career because of lack of money for a proper education.
If demand for higher education exists from the job sector, the price will come down in some way so that lower income individuals can afford it.

Price floors that we have now contribute to its ever increasing costs.

Cleavon Little

Since: Sep 12

Hilliard, OH

#15 Oct 8, 2012
___Jenny___ wrote:
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Under Romney college will be pretty much restricted to richer families. There will be far less of a chance for poor, lower-income, and middle-class kids to break away from being held back from a better future and career because of lack of money for a proper education.
Plenty of poor kids went to college before the feds drove up the costs with all their interference in the market. And every single 18 year old in America can join the military and we the taxpayers will gladly thank them for their service by sending them through school afterwards.
Babs

Valley City, OH

#17 Oct 8, 2012
Cleavon Little wrote:
<quoted text>Plenty of poor kids went to college before the feds drove up the costs with all their interference in the market. And every single 18 year old in America can join the military and we the taxpayers will gladly thank them for their service by sending them through school afterwards.
But today's youth don't want to earn it. They expect it to be given to them free and clear and do not want to work for what they get. That is Obama's whole platform to get the young voters. Kids think they are entitled to handouts and freebies.
Vote

Sumter, SC

#18 Oct 8, 2012
Lord Obama will take care of them all

Vote for Socialism
Vote Democrat
Female

Chillicothe, OH

#20 Oct 8, 2012
Don't forget the children are our future. Every child should be given the opportunity to excel regardless of their parent's income level. When you forget our children you forget the future of our country. Haven't you heard a mind is a terrible thing to waste.
Tim

Akron, OH

#21 Oct 8, 2012
Female wrote:
Don't forget the children are our future. Every child should be given the opportunity to excel regardless of their parent's income level. When you forget our children you forget the future of our country. Haven't you heard a mind is a terrible thing to waste.
No, we are not entitled to "education" as a positive right.

Positive rights exist only by theft.

Government should not restrict education (except for Islamist madrassas) as it is your negative right to acquire education, but not to force the collection of taxes to pay for it.
Conservative

Greenville, OH

#22 Oct 8, 2012
Female wrote:
Don't forget the children are our future. Every child should be given the opportunity to excel regardless of their parent's income level. When you forget our children you forget the future of our country. Haven't you heard a mind is a terrible thing to waste.
Every child HAS the opportunity to excel. It's up to them to take advantage of the opportunity and do it.

In the so-called worst school in America there will be those that excel using any measure you choose. Why?

I nor you can waste a child's mind, only they can.

Our children are at risk of not being able to take of themselves let alone the country.
joe

Gilbert, WV

#23 Oct 8, 2012
jenny

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So here's what he said ... A stupid thing to say in a campaign, lie to 'em sweet talk 'em but don't let 'em know where your heart is until after you
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ryans medicare plan
http://tucsoncitizen.com/medicare/2012/08/15/

So, here's what he said. Is the 47 percent accurate? Probably not, but we do have a lot of people waiting to get given stuff by the govt.
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We need to work. Work, work and work some more. There are no free rides. I have to agree with oromney on a few things ... We need to axe or restructure social security, we need put time limits on welfare help, we need to put people to work, we need to make people work hard, if it means two or three jobs so be it.
Also, have to say that the rich don't owe the poor anythin and the poor don't owe the rich anything. Everyone needs to work for himself. You want to be rich, bust your azz or take a chance.

========== i really like this part ==========
So here's what he said ... A stupid thing to say in a campaign, lie to 'em sweet talk 'em but don't let 'em know where your heart is until after you win ...
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Romney: There are 47 percent of the people who will vote for the president no matter what. All right, there are 47 percent who are with him, who are dependent upon government, who believe that they are victims, who believe that government has a responsibility to care for them, who believe that they are entitled to health care, to food, to housing, to you name it. That that's an entitlement. And the government should give it to them. And they will vote for this president no matter what. And I mean, the president starts off with 48, 49, 48—he starts off with a huge number. These are people who pay no income tax. Forty-seven percent of Americans pay no income tax. So our message of low taxes doesn't connect. And he'll be out there talking about tax cuts for the rich. I mean that's what they sell every four years. And so my job is not to worry about those people—I'll never convince them that they should take personal responsibility and care for their lives. What I have to do is convince the 5 to 10 percent in the center that are independents that are thoughtful, that look at voting one way or the other depending upon in some cases emotion, whether they like the guy or not, what it looks like. I mean, when you ask those people…we do all these polls—I find it amazing—we poll all these people, see where you stand on the polls, but 45 percent of the people will go with a Republican
VA Doc

United States

#24 Oct 8, 2012
Higher education in this country needs to change and as long as the government keeps just handing money to anyone with a pulse and social security number to attend college, then higher education has no reason to decrease costs.

College isn't for everyone. Technical school would work for many and apprenticeships for other trades. We also need to gut liberal arts programs. I've said it many times that at least a years worth of credit hours in college are wasted on courses that add nothing to a student's major. Why is this done? Well the PC excuse/answer is it makes students more rounded. The truth is if colleges didn't dumb down admission requirements to increase enrollment to get more funding from the state budget, then they would already be snagging well rounded students who could hit the ground running for hard science majors and not waste so much time taking liberal arts courses. Of course the more credits you make someone take that don't really add to granting a degree, the longer you can keep a student in school and paying tuition.

Ever wonder why folks in the 1970's and 80's could attend college on a shoestring budget and earn a bachelors degree in 4 years or less? Technology has only improved since this time so if anything the time required to earn a degree should be less, not more.

Also inventions such as e-learning for degree programs should have caused costs to decrease for education programs, but instead schools got greedy. Now instead of paying a professor full benefits and salary and having classroom space and all the overhead, a school can now hire a professor to teach a course for a few thousand dollars per semester and the program is 100% online with no face to face contact and they still charge the same (sometimes even more) per credit hour. It's ridiculous.

Until we start making higher education a privilege and something to work towards instead of a disco with books then costs will remain high and the only people who will suffer are the middle class. The poor already get free education and the rich have someone else to foot the bill. Romney is right that we need reign in costs and cut entitlements.

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